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Is the dark projection or 2D/3D mixup that common or is it noticeably more common with Captain Marvel?

I suppose my only issue with it was waiting patiently for her to achieve her true powers. I was Buffy sitting there at graduation. "Just ascend already!"

The cynic in me thinks a bunch of man babies at the theatres deliberately messed with the projection settings.

Saw it today, and something I saw (on FB I think) really resonated.

Captain America keeps getting up because it is the right thing to do.
Captain Marvel keeps getting up because "F*CK YOU!"

Saw it last night.
I was going to add my "meh" to the others, but those who really liked it have added very valuable stuff to take into consideration.
I'll give it another go when it streams online in a few months.

The 90's soundtrack, while awesome, felt very heavy handed.
The change in uniform color felt a bit rushed to me.

Spoiler:

I rolled my eyes when Talos got shot near the end. I thought it was typical Hollywood "let's raise the stakes" formula. Happy to see at the end he was ok.
The movie needed more Coulson.

That rejuvenation tech is getting creepely good. How long before actors just license their likeness for straight to DVD movies?

Hobbes2099 wrote:

The 90's soundtrack, while awesome, felt very heavy handed.

I was pleased to see this discussion, which said exactly what I said: less No Doubt, more L7!

Dug the Garbage needle drop, though.

Edit: I'm not one to revel in the Disney juggernaut, or any sizable corporation, raking in another pile of dough, but if it will make the mewling mollusks of the alt-right geekosphere cry into their Dorito bags, I'll dance a merry jig.

If the 90s music wasn’t heavy-handed then people would forget that it’s set in the 90s. If they don’t know know that it’s a prequel then they might get confused in the next installment.

How did the 90s soundtrack feel heavy handed? The setting was the 90s.

I don't know if heavy handed is the phrase I would use, but it definitely didn't seem as smoothly integrated or cohesive as Guardians 1 (2 actually is what I'd call heavy handed). For example, No Doubt didn't sync up with the combat very well to me. It was just kinda there which is how I felt about a lot of the song usage.

muraii wrote:

Is the dark projection or 2D/3D mixup that common or is it noticeably more common with Captain Marvel?

I think it was a conscious choice in lighting, to be honest. I don't think it was a projection issue when I saw it, because there was an enormous contrast between the daytime and nighttime shots and it was all perfectly in focus.

But the scene where the final suit colors are revealed, for example, was a nighttime shot that wasn't really well lit at all. Carol was in the shade in that shot, which really muted the colors.

The other issue was that all of the Kree stuff in the MCU hasn't been lit well, and they continued that in Captain Marvel. GotG got around that being an issue by having Rocket constantly shoot everything around him during fighting scenes, or with Groot lighting the entire place. They really didn't do much lighting wise until Carol got her full powers, where the action became a lot easier to follow.

More Garbage, more Elastica please!

Also: "Where's Fury!"
( I used an exclamation point because its more of a demand and the Avengers are going to soon realize they do not want to f*ck with a space ship puncher)

Are there Marvel heroes for every infinity stone? (Vision - yellow, Captain Marvel - blue, Scarlet witch - red, Dr. Strange - green, ? - orange)

I'm glad they have addressed it in some of the discussion videos because I swore that the Skrull weren't necessarily good/victims and the Kree weren't generically bad.

McChuck wrote:

I don't know if heavy handed is the phrase I would use, but it definitely didn't seem as smoothly integrated or cohesive as Guardians 1 (2 actually is what I'd call heavy handed). For example, No Doubt didn't sync up with the combat very well to me. It was just kinda there which is how I felt about a lot of the song usage.

No Doubt was PERFECT for me..."I'm just a girl" as she's coming into her powers, her acceptance. I told my husband during the movie that that song choice made me very happy.

I loved the song and it's inclusion. When it started, I whispered to my friend, "Oh hell yeah." However, It just played separate from the action on screen to me so that the pacing and tempo of the song didn't match the combat or editing. In that way, any other song could have also been playing without affecting the scene's composition since they're not tightly paired.

Except for "Come As You Are", I think every song on the soundtrack was from a female-led group. They could have easily packed it with groups like Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam and the like, but they didn't. I really appreciated that. (And I also liked the use of "Just a Girl". The editing could have been tighter around the tempo of the song, but its use was pretty clearly about the lyrics and what that song has meant to so many women who grew up listening to it.)

The "Just A Girl" needle drop kinda works on a meta level for the audience because of where we are as a culture, but it's not organic to the character or scene - noone of the Kree doubts her because she's a girl (the chastising of her being too emotional blatantly mirrors the garbage men say to women all the time of course, but it's so underexplored and the Kree combat units seem fully integrated, so it comes across as more because she's not a real Kree, so it doesn't scan thematically), and it's also not *her* music, because she went missing in the eighties.

That moment is kind of emblematic of the movie for me, because I can tease out and appreciate the intent on an intellectal level, but it doesn't execute well enough on a story/character level that I viscerally *feel* it and punch the air as it wants me to.

Contrast that to the Guardians movies and how music is abdolutely integral to the movies and Quill as a character, because he's emotionally arrested at the moment his mom died, and the music is all he has to remember her by.

I've just never liked No Doubt, but really liked L7.

I see the use of "Just a Girl" in that moment as being a lot like "Immigrant's Son" in Thor Ragnarok. Like, it's kinda got f*ck-all to do with the narrative at that point, but it's a nice emotional moment for the audience.

Just, you know, with a girl song instead of a dude song.

Well, sure. Taken as such though, my objections to it are a) how the fight is edited to the rhythm of the song (not very well) and b) it's another so blatantly 90:s pick I feel like I'm watching Suicide Squad again for obvious the needle drops are c) the lyrics invite a thematic expectation that's not there.

I'm not failing to understand you. I'm just not agreeing.

Wish we'd gotten a trailer set to "Tubthumping"

Sadly Tubthumping came out 2 years after Captain Marvel is set

So did "Celebrity Skin," so they coulda done it! : D

The dark screen is not a stylistic choice, it's a theater screwup. I have no idea what is causing it, but it happened to me AGAIN today. I went to an early 2d digital show, and even the previews were dim. I notified the management, they did nothing, so I moved over to the IMAX screen, and it was fine. Bright, colorful, and in focus.

I wonder if the issue I saw today is caused by a non-HDR system trying to play HDR encoded content. I have seen complaints like this from people trying to play HDR content on an nVidia Shield which can't handle HDR.

The best musical moment was the series of posters for PJ Harvey's Rid of Me on the wall back behind where Fury and Carol have their first conversation, because Rid of Me and Exile in Guyville are my personal 90s musical highlights. Neither of those albums is really going to fit into a PG rated Marvel movie, however.

On a more relevant note, one of the criticisms I've seen about the movie is there isn't much of a character arc as opposed to Tony Stark or Steve Rogers. I mean, both those characters have had huge arcs, but, in their origin stories, did much happen? In Iron Man, Stark goes from being a complete asshole, to slightly less of an asshole. In Captain America: The First Avenger, Rogers goes from a little guy who wants to do good stuff to a big guy who does good stuff. Just don't feel like any origin movie really has the space to introduce the characters, the world, and provide for huge levels of growth and development.

My wife and I thoroughly enjoyed Captain Marvel tonight. She thought the music was perfect in every way, and that the film had a perfect feminist philosophy. More importunely, during one scene when CM had a particularly great line, she squeezed my hand because she loved it so much. We listened to the soundtrack on the way home. It was a great date night.

As for L7 being a good fit, I would agree. But I would have gone with Shove as the ultimate grunge feminism anthem of the 90's. I thought of the song a ton during the film.

We wrapped Iron Fist S1, and have one episode remaining with Defenders. Both have held our interest. Iron Fist S1 was really surprising, considering it's often regarded as the weakest of the Marvel TV series'. Danny Rand wasn't all that, but most everyone else was, with good arcs. Joy. Ward. Harold. Colleen. Bakuto. Gao. Defenders has some cool moments. We thought it'd be better all the same. It was great to see everyone become acquainted. Final episode later today.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

Just a reminder that this is the Marvel movie thread. Shazam is DC and outside of the scope.

Sorry. I felt it a natural follow on from the offshoot by Jayhawker, and Eleima. My bad. I do tend to lump my Marvel and DC together.

mudbunny wrote:

Saw it today, and something I saw (on FB I think) really resonated.

Captain America keeps getting up because it is the right thing to do.
Captain Marvel keeps getting up because "F*CK YOU!"

We just got back and this is so true. We loved it. It was just such fun.

Something that is messing with me though is:

Spoiler:

They almost made it seem like Mar Vell created the Tesseract, but we know she didn't because it had been on Earth in the 1940s. In fact it had been recovered by Howard Stark, so how did Mar Vell get it?

Nevin73 wrote:
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They almost made it seem like Mar Vell created the Tesseract, but we know she didn't because it had been on Earth in the 1940s. In fact it had been recovered by Howard Stark, so how did Mar Vell get it?

Some background on the comics Project Pegasus here

Spoiler:

Project Pegasus is old school Marvel comics R&D facility. Prototype quinjet is there too. SHIELD had access, Howard helped found SHIELD, sent the Tessaract over there for study.

That helps, thanks!