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Just got home from watching it with my son. Overall really liked it - it was better than Ant Man and the Wasp and more emotional than Thor Ragnarok but IMHO not as good as Black Panther or Infinity War.

Things I liked:

1. Larson is amazing as Captain Marvel. I like how she has the same snarkiness as Star Lord but with all the swagger of Iron Man and command presence of Captain America.
2. The 90s references were fun but not over the top. I’m hoping the 90s soon replace the 80s as the new hot flashback decade.
3. It’s great to see a younger Nick Fury, though I wish he had kicked a bit more butt instead of swinging monster kitty around. He’s f’ing Fury after all.
4. I loved the emotional arc of Carol with Maria and her daughter. While I’m a guy, I can totally relate to the same closeness of having such a close relationship with a long time battle buddy. Since other Goodjer women have said they nailed the female friendship, I will just say that goes double for the military friendship.
5. Dog fighting scenes are some of the best in Marvel.
6. No shoed in romance. I love, love, love this. One of my biggest problems with the two Captain America sequels is forcing Cap into a relationship with Black Widow and random token girlfriend.
7. The twist about who was the actual enemy.
8. The Indiana Jones style final showdown with Jude Law’s character.

What I didn’t like:

1. Earth technology that can be easily upgraded to compete with a far more advanced enemy.
2. Captain Marvel’s character was satisfying but by the end she was near unstoppable. I’m afraid she’s become the new SuperMan or Neo. That is, someone so powerful that they come in and solve everything without any real sense of threat from the bad guy.
3. The melee combat felt a little blah, at least compared to other Marvel flicks.

Overall, I give it a solid 8.5.

So if Goose didn't go back into space, where's she been all this time after the mid-credit scene? IIRC, in the comics, the cat is with her in space, and is actually called Chewie.

We saw Captain Marvel today. We liked it. Overall it was an enjoyable mid tier film. (As with many of the Marvel flicks.) The characters were good. The soundtrack a blast. They adapted Carol Danvers, and her story, to the big screen quite well. It leads up to End Game in a good way.

Brie Larson, was fantastic. There are a few layers to Carol Danvers, a character I'm fond of from comics, and I felt she touched on these as best could be expected from what the script offered up.

Samuel L. Jackson, as expected, was on point as Nick Fury, even in a comedic supporting role.

For a single appearance, her first movie, Captain Marvel is well placed. It's a good starting position. How the character is integrated into End Game will be interesting. The other heroes have history, struggles, triumphs, and connections to one another. They're imperfect and have had limitations to overcome. It's why they get so over with audiences. How to keep that audience interested when an infallible law onto themselves, a silver bullet, is introduced shall be interesting. Please do it well!

Larson was awesome, big "Duh" there. It's great that Jackson finally got to do things. Hilarious way to sell a twist:

Spoiler:

"Ben Mendelsohn in a blockbuster in 2019? Well there's a bad guy."

But, I could feel the multiple drafts. Of all things, I think it could have used more time at the beginning to really sell some of the great moments at the end.

Captain Marvel works better the second time around. The first act is far less confusing.

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It was far easier to see that Vers spends most of the movie just enjoying being who she is, even with the massive holes in her memory. I could have stood to see a little more of Carol reveling in her full powers at the end, though. And no one actually calls her Captain Marvel during the whole thing?

Okay, so I have like 249 pages to catch up on, so in the meantime....

CAPTAIN MARVEL WAS AMAZING. <3

Also, Thanos, buddy.... You're going DOWN!

I just can't wait for the mouthbreathing idiots on the internet to realize this:

https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/09...

“She is more powerful than any character we’ve introduced thus far,” Feige said. “So that alone tells you that there’s a reason Nick hit that button at the end [of Infinity War], when he realized that they were up against something far bigger than they had ever been up against before. And having her on your side is hopefully going to change the balance of power in a way that they desperately need.”

Just got back; I thought it was patently great. I'm admittedly a huge Carol Danvers fan, and think her resurrection from butt monkey of the Marvel comic universe to become one of its leading lights has been one of the highlights of the last decade of comics, and I felt like this movie captured that pretty damn perfectly. I enjoyed the humor, and the way it flipped your expectations of good vs. villains was pretty damn brilliant.

Also, I'm a 48-year-old man, and you better #@$!! believe I actually teared up when she stepped up in the classic red, blue, and yellow. Will probably watch it again next weekend, but, right now, I'd put it below the Winter Soldier/Black Panther/Infinity War tier, but still way up there for a Marvel movie.

Bought tickets a couple months ago to see it Tuesday ($5 Tuesdays at local theater). Loved hearing all the positive buzz.

Makes all the Shazam marketing seem tone deaf as Hell.

Jayhawker wrote:

Makes all the Shazam marketing seem tone deaf as Hell.

That's spot on. The trailer for that came on right before the movie, and... ew. Yuck. Seriously. Passing on that one.

Just got back and the one thing I will say - WHY WAS IT SO FREAKING DARK? I remember how I could even see the final battle sequence of “live, die, repeat” at home, and how “Solo” was often unwatchable becaus of how dark they were and CM is the same. Perhaps the fights were great but I could’t tell. The flying action was fine but many/most of the other action scenes were just way to dark.

Must be a setting in your theater, because I had no such issue.

Yeah, I have no idea what you mean. Did you see it in 3D? That notoriously dims out the picture. But in my 2D showing, the visuals were all bright and clear.

No it was 2d but that gives me hope for the dvd release.

One thing that's ringing in my head--and I'm going to spoiler it even though it's a spoiler thread because reasons--is this:

Spoiler:

We get the fairly typical building of Carol's frustration over a lifetime of being second-guessed and shot down (literally and figuratively) and told to give up. For most of the movie we see her dealing with it, and I think by itself we'd intuit that she still persisted because she became successful and happy and so get the sense of her toughness.

What we don't see until later, and what I think is handled a bit differently than the typical male-power-fantasy template, are the completions to those flashbacks, is Carol getting up and going right back to whatever she'd set her mind to. That by itself I felt was novel and legitimately inspiring, but then they break the trope again to show Carol remembering how she'd risen up just as she's getting ready to rise up herself as Captain Marvel. It's chilling in its humanity and brilliantly conceived.

So good.

Captain Marvel the movie is fighting several things, and doing it well. First, I don't feel like I've seen the same kind of frustration with how formulaic pieces of her origin story are with other origin stories. Like we collectively more or less fawned over Chris Nolan's Batman Begins for its portrayal of Batman's origin, similarly for Raimi's Spiderman, and only in more recent productions has there seemed to be any substantial angst about, or relief at the absence of, the origin stories for these heroes. I just accept, and personally appreciate because I'm ignorant of Carol Danvers' history, that it's necessary for the whole thing to come together.

But they're also changing the formula a bit because Carol's arc isn't just copy-and-pasted from Iron Man or Batman Begins or whomever. She's got relationships with herself and other people that feel--and forgive my using this word, but it fits--authentic to who she is. As a woman. As a military veteran. As a pilot. (I guess as a white woman and an American, too, in some sense.) So it feels fresh if familiar, and I was into the whole thing all along.

farley3k wrote:

No it was 2d but that gives me hope for the dvd release.

Do they have 3D shows in that auditorium? If so then somebody might have left the 3d lens on the projector.

I really enjoyed the film. I think it works better as an episode of Marvel Cinematic Universe than it does as a stand-alone work, but I mean that as an observation rather than a complaint. I'm really looking forward to seeing Carol interact with the Avengers in a few weeks.

muraii wrote:

Like we collectively more or less fawned over Chris Nolan's Batman Begins for its portrayal of Batman's origin, similarly for Raimi's Spiderman, and only in more recent productions has there seemed to be any substantial angst about, or relief at the absence of, the origin stories for these heroes.

Both the titles you mention as people liking came before the glut of superhero movies we're now in the middle of. That's just what happens when a genre it style saturates popular culture.

Captain Marvel tries to end run around that but I think it was only moderately successful.

muraii wrote:

Like we collectively more or less fawned over Chris Nolan's Batman Begins for its portrayal of Batman's origin, similarly for Raimi's Spiderman, and only in more recent productions has there seemed to be any substantial angst about, or relief at the absence of, the origin stories for these heroes.

Both the titles you mention as people liking came before the glut of superhero movies we're now in the middle of. That's just what happens when a genre or style saturates popular culture.

Captain Marvel tries to end run around that but I think it was only moderately successful.

Hoping to see Captain Marvel the day I get out of the hospital. Watched Winter Soldier again this morning on cable, and the realization that the Algerian pirate Cap fights on the ship at the beginning is Batroc the Leaper has me hoping Gwenpool will show up at some point. Also Unbeatable Squirrel Girl.

Jayhawker wrote:

Makes all the Shazam marketing seem tone deaf as Hell.

What happened with the marketing? Dare I ask.

I just now looked up a trailer, and an early impressions piece. It comes across as silly and dumb and fun, from the trailer. Little else. Not so sure I'm interested. Early impressions are good, though, giving reason to reconsider. Maybe.

Don Kaye wrote:

#Shazam was a blast. Fun, weird, emotionally satisfying and all told through a childlike sense of wonder. Easily one of the best DCEU movies to date.

Courtney Howard wrote:

#Shazam is a super-powered BIG & I LOVED every second of it. A colorful, vibrant, vital addition to the DCEU. Vivid character-driven action, heartrending central relationships & fully earned, totally satisfying emotional moments. Super hilarious. Super thrilling. Super awesome!

Germain Lussier wrote:

Shazam! is another win for DC. Sure, the humor & action you'd expect from a superhero film are there, but #ShazamMovie stands out because of the emotional, family story at its center. I had some small issues with the hero/villain aspects but the family stuff is dynamic & powerful

Ashley Menzel wrote:

Shazam showcases Zachary Levi's charm and charisma as an actor and has a heartfelt and inspiring message at its core. Despite the dark tone in parts, it ends up bringing about lots of laughs and fun for all.

Surprised by those responses. A heartfelt inspiring message. An emotional story. The trailer certainly didn't convey that.

I thought Captain Marvel was fine, if a bit flat. The cast do a great job, and there's plenty of neat little moments, but I don't think it coalesces as a story to make those moments transcendent. It's a lot of exposition about the character, not enough dramatizing.

Partially a result of the structure they went with, I guess, but I do think there could been a different way to tackle particularly that opening 30 minutes that could've made the movie not feel so slow to get going, and made the big moments land harder.

We enjoyed it, but we found it mid-tier MCU, not up to my favourites of Thor Ragnarok or the Guardians movies. As well as the clunky structure ALG mentioned, I would pinpoint that the final space battle lacked any personal connection and felt like a shoehorned Big Stakes plot point as a result. Maybe there was a bit of "see her kick all the ass" about it to underscore just how powerful she is that'll be useful for later films, but it lacked the personal stakes of the previous battles so it felt a bit empty.

But there was a lot to like about it. Larson is always great, and Jackson's deageing was incredible, to the point that I thought I was just watching a younger Sam Jackson, and didn't really think about it at all. I really liked the double act between Danvers and Jackson. The opening Marvel logo was a great touch too.

That final battle was important for explaining why the Kree hadn't come to mess with Earth between the events of this film and most of the rest of them. Like I said before, this works a lot better as an episode of Marvel Cinematic Universe than as a stand-alone piece. That said, I don't really begrudge them giving Carol her victory lap there at the end.

Just a reminder that this is the Marvel movie thread. Shazam is DC and outside of the scope.

farley3k wrote:

Just got back and the one thing I will say - WHY WAS IT SO FREAKING DARK? I remember how I could even see the final battle sequence of “live, die, repeat” at home, and how “Solo” was often unwatchable becaus of how dark they were and CM is the same. Perhaps the fights were great but I could’t tell. The flying action was fine but many/most of the other action scenes were just way to dark.

This happened to me too. Apparently it was a problem at many theaters.

The darkest MCU film yet—not because of violence or whatever, but because the theater I went to messed up the projection. What I could see was … fine.

https://www.theringer.com/movies/201...

Vargen wrote:

That said, I don't really begrudge them giving Carol her victory lap there at the end.

My biggest complaint is that I wanted more victory laps.

I saw the personal stake in the final conflict against the Accusers being an outgrowth of the overall arc of Carol questioning and ultimately standing up to the orders of the Kree. It worked for me and didn't feel shoehorned in.

Captain Marvel Pitch Meeting

Captain Marvel - All Easter Eggs

ClockworkHouse wrote:

My biggest complaint is that I wanted more victory laps.

I saw the personal stake in the final conflict against the Accusers being an outgrowth of the overall arc of Carol questioning and ultimately standing up to the orders of the Kree. It worked for me and didn't feel shoehorned in.

It also provided a nice counterbalance to the Kree "good fighting = no emotion" theme from the beginning. Carol's just a lady who, at the end of the day, just really loves punching the sh*t out of spaceships.

The projection was messed up where I saw it today. Dark image and edges of screen were out of focus/double image like watching a 3d movie without glasses, but not quite as bad as that. They were switching off 2d and 3d shows in the same theater, so probably a projectionist screwup. So frustrating.

Hollywood blowhards can shove their "theatrical experience" right up their butts.