Marvel Media (Spoiler Thread)

Grenn wrote:
Gremlin wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

These are expensive military tools. Why are they made to be like an arcade except "because it's funny"?

I liked that bit, because it played into the pretension of the Sovereigns: they present themselves as being impressive and marital, but they've isolated themselves from the outside world and any criticism. It's an entire planet of genetically-engineered Twitch streamers and League of Legends players who think their Dark Souls skills will let them punch out a horse.

Also, every single Sovereign probably thinks of themselves as far to valuable to actually put their lives on the line for any cause.

This is what I thought. They are way to important to "sully" themselves inside a real ship and possibly die!

I did not feel like the David Hasselhoff was cheap at all. He was a very cool character for someone that grew up in the 80s. He was cool and smart with a cool talking car solving crimes and mysteries. It totally makes sense he would idolize him when he was younger.

karmajay wrote:
Grenn wrote:

Also, every single Sovereign probably thinks of themselves as far to valuable to actually put their lives on the line for any cause.

This is what I thought. They are way to important to "sully" themselves inside a real ship and possibly die!

That I don't take umbrage with. It's more the arcade sound-effects that I do.

I did not feel like the David Hasselhoff was cheap at all. He was a very cool character for someone that grew up in the 80s. He was cool and smart with a cool talking car solving crimes and mysteries. It totally makes sense he would idolize him when he was younger.

You could probably say the same for Rick Astley but referencing Never Gonna Give You Up at this point isn't a joke, it's a meme. Same with having Chuck Norris in Expendables 2.

It didn't kill the movie for me, but it was something that felt more Mel Brooks than it should have.

ccesarano wrote:

That I don't take umbrage with. It's more the arcade sound-effects that I do.

I did not feel like the David Hasselhoff was cheap at all. He was a very cool character for someone that grew up in the 80s. He was cool and smart with a cool talking car solving crimes and mysteries. It totally makes sense he would idolize him when he was younger.

You could probably say the same for Rick Astley but referencing Never Gonna Give You Up at this point isn't a joke, it's a meme. Same with having Chuck Norris in Expendables 2.

So? The difference here is he was cut off from earth when these things were still popular, and doesn't have any idea that they aren't still "cool". Plus, he probably doesn't even know the concept of the modern "meme".

With Guardians 1 using "Hooked on a Feeling" prominently they kind of already set this tone. That song was the music of arguably of the first big time internet "meme" with the dancing baby. I think we've established that they're doing the "out of time, out of touch" bit with Star Lord in regards to earth.

(See also Captain America)

MannishBoy wrote:

So? The difference here is he was cut off from earth when these things were still popular, and doesn't have any idea that they aren't still "cool". Plus, he probably doesn't even know the concept of the modern "meme".

With Guardians 1 using "Hooked on a Feeling" prominently they kind of already set this tone. That song was the music of arguably of the first big time internet "meme" with the dancing baby, I think we've established that they're doing the "out of time, out of touch" bit with Star Lord in regards to earth.

(See also Captain America)

And it's a bit more focused than Captain America given the time frame involved (why the Zune joke worked for me).

pyxistyx wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

Before I hit the next point: how has no one commented on Ben Browder? No one? Anyone?

I noticed! Had a little fan-moment when he popped up

Especially since he was basically just doing his "Evil Sebacean Captain" voice

Sadly I was among people who probably would have no idea what Farscape was beyond "space muppets" so I feel like they didn't quite appreciate his cameo like I did!

I am there with ya! I was with my sons (15 and 10) and my SO (age will remain undetermined if I value my life) of whom I was the only person that watched Farscape back in the day. I saw right through that gold paint almost immediately.

MannishBoy wrote:

So? The difference here is he was cut off from earth when these things were still popular, and doesn't have any idea that they aren't still "cool". Plus, he probably doesn't even know the concept of the modern "meme".

The point isn't whether Quill knows what a meme is or that Hasselhoff is one. The writers do, and so the jokes feel like wink wink, nudge nudge references for Internet people. Like the rest of the movie, it's trying a bit too hard to be cool for the audience.

ccesarano wrote:

Before I hit the next point: how has no one commented on Ben Browder? No one? Anyone?

I mean, he didn't get all that much screen time. I didn't even recognize him (my wife did) because he was all, ya know, golden, and didn't say much.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:

So? The difference here is he was cut off from earth when these things were still popular, and doesn't have any idea that they aren't still "cool". Plus, he probably doesn't even know the concept of the modern "meme".

The point isn't whether Quill knows what a meme is or that Hasselhoff is one. The writers do, and so the jokes feel like wink wink, nudge nudge references for Internet people. Like the rest of the movie, it's trying a bit too hard to be cool for the audience.

What percentage of the intended audience for Guardians of the Galaxy 2 are Internet People?

ClockworkHouse wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:

So? The difference here is he was cut off from earth when these things were still popular, and doesn't have any idea that they aren't still "cool". Plus, he probably doesn't even know the concept of the modern "meme".

The point isn't whether Quill knows what a meme is or that Hasselhoff is one. The writers do, and so the jokes feel like wink wink, nudge nudge references for Internet people. Like the rest of the movie, it's trying a bit too hard to be cool for the audience.

I just think it fits the whole idea of a character removed from earth at a certain time. I don't find it trying to hard at all.

Actually, I'm almost surprised there wasn't a Star Wars reference. I guess they've used those up with Spiderman throwing them around lately.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

The point isn't whether Quill knows what a meme is or that Hasselhoff is one. The writers do, and so the jokes feel like wink wink, nudge nudge references for Internet people.

Bingo. It's a gag with minimal effort, if any effort at all. There are plenty of references one can make to the 80's that would get the same point across, but having David Hasselhoff is basically saying "Hey, you know what kids like? Kung Fury. You know what Kung Fury had? David Hasselhoff voicing a car and singing a song. Let's do what Kung Fury did."

I'm not saying it ruined the movie for me, but it cheapens it. The reference to Footloose worked better in the original film, even though a bunch of the younger audience would have no clue what Peter was talking about. It was also only a joke because Peter made a confusing comparison that was essentially a set-up for one joke later on. It wasn't beaten to death and it felt clever.

This is not only a re-running of the same idea but missing why that joke worked, it's basically making a movie in 2017 where the generic hacker guy makes a gratuitous "The Cake is a Lie" joke because "that's what them nerds be sayin' on the intarwebs".

Like the rest of the movie, it's trying a bit too hard to be cool for the audience.

Don't entirely agree with that part.

jrralls wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:

So? The difference here is he was cut off from earth when these things were still popular, and doesn't have any idea that they aren't still "cool". Plus, he probably doesn't even know the concept of the modern "meme".

The point isn't whether Quill knows what a meme is or that Hasselhoff is one. The writers do, and so the jokes feel like wink wink, nudge nudge references for Internet people. Like the rest of the movie, it's trying a bit too hard to be cool for the audience.

What percentage of the intended audience for Guardians of the Galaxy 2 are Internet People?

Let's rephrase that: what percentage of the intended audience for this movie are tech savvy comic book fans who are males aged 18-35?

cartoonin wrote:
pyxistyx wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

Before I hit the next point: how has no one commented on Ben Browder? No one? Anyone?

I noticed! Had a little fan-moment when he popped up

Especially since he was basically just doing his "Evil Sebacean Captain" voice

Sadly I was among people who probably would have no idea what Farscape was beyond "space muppets" so I feel like they didn't quite appreciate his cameo like I did!

I am there with ya! I was with my sons (15 and 10) and my SO (age will remain undetermined if I value my life) of whom I was the only person that watched Farscape back in the day. I saw right through that gold paint almost immediately. :)

Now I'm pissed because I somehow missed him...twice! And no small part of my enjoyment of the GoGs is that they're as close to Farscape movies as I ever expect to get! Guess I need to go for a third round.

I enjoyed the movie a hell of a lot, possibly more than every other entry in the Marvel juggernaut. Can't say I was aware that Hasselhoff's existence counts as a meme--if it'd been Chuck Norris, that would be different--so it worked as, well, a reference meaningful to Quill from his youth which, yes, happens to align fairly closely to my own. Everything else worked, too, and the whole affair benefited greatly from being quite removed from the rest of those movies--it let characters do things in the movie I was watching, and have stakes as well.

Well, I guess I better remember to watch out for Ben Browder when Guardians 2 makes its way to Netflix.

Rat Boy wrote:

Well, I guess I better remember to watch out for Ben Browder when Guardians 2 makes its way to Netflix.

It's really not all that much, just a line or two. I thought it was neat and I was glad he popped up though.

Marry Poppins, y'all!

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ClockworkHouse wrote:
jrralls wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:

So? The difference here is he was cut off from earth when these things were still popular, and doesn't have any idea that they aren't still "cool". Plus, he probably doesn't even know the concept of the modern "meme".

The point isn't whether Quill knows what a meme is or that Hasselhoff is one. The writers do, and so the jokes feel like wink wink, nudge nudge references for Internet people. Like the rest of the movie, it's trying a bit too hard to be cool for the audience.

What percentage of the intended audience for Guardians of the Galaxy 2 are Internet People?

Let's rephrase that: what percentage of the intended audience for this movie are tech savvy comic book fans who are males aged 18-35?

If by comic fan you mean someone who has bought a comic book in the last year, less than 1%.

No one buys comic books.

Well if a comic sells a copy to one tenth of one percent of the US population it's probably the industries best selling comic of the entire year. It's a highly niche industry.

Change it to "superhero movie fans" then.

"Intellectual properties and merchandising derived from comic book characters and settings". But boy is that a mouthful.

What was the point of this line of discussion?

Guardians2 is a fun, lighthearted sci-fi movie. It started as a comic book series. There are some interesting and original concepts which you won't find in other sci-fi movies. The characters are strange and recognizable at the same time. Fan service is paid out handily to long time Marvel Universe followers. Stereotypical tropes are offered to casual, action movie lovers.

It's not perfect, but the producers of this film did a damn fine job.

'Nuff said!

bnpederson wrote:

What was the point of this line of discussion?

It is an internet argument. The point is: I'm right and you're Hitler.

Thesis: Guardians of the galaxy is trying to be a global hit, apeeling to a huge segment of entire world Wide movie-going audience. It throws in the little jokes to be a wink and a nod at a tiny segment of its audience, but most of its audience will not be aware of said winks.

jrralls wrote:

Thesis: Guardians of the galaxy is trying to be a global hit, apeeling to a huge segment of entire world Wide movie-going audience. It throws in the little jokes to be a wink and a nod at a tiny segment of its audience, but most of its audience will not be aware of said winks.

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MannishBoy wrote:
jrralls wrote:

Thesis: Guardians of the galaxy is trying to be a global hit, apeeling to a huge segment of entire world Wide movie-going audience. It throws in the little jokes to be a wink and a nod at a tiny segment of its audience, but most of its audience will not be aware of said winks.

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MannishBoy wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:

So? The difference here is he was cut off from earth when these things were still popular, and doesn't have any idea that they aren't still "cool". Plus, he probably doesn't even know the concept of the modern "meme".

The point isn't whether Quill knows what a meme is or that Hasselhoff is one. The writers do, and so the jokes feel like wink wink, nudge nudge references for Internet people. Like the rest of the movie, it's trying a bit too hard to be cool for the audience.

I just think it fits the whole idea of a character removed from earth at a certain time. I don't find it trying to hard at all.

I am (not) shocked that someone who was kidnapped in the 80s from earth would have memories of David Hasslehoff in Knight Rider.

The complaints about it, to me, come across as:

Walking tree? Great.
Bipedal raccoon? Good
Stones that have powers over time and space? No problem.
A kid from the 80s remembering David Hasslefoff?? NOPE!! CAN'T HAVE THAT!!

The complaint isn't that it isn't realistic. Of course a kid from the '80s could remember Hasselhoff.

MannishBoy wrote:

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I thought that list looked weirdly focused on Australia, looking into why I learned that apparently his lil' notebook was different depending on the country you watched the movie in. That must be the Australian version. Neat!

Redwing wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:

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I thought that list looked weirdly focused on Australia, looking into why I learned that apparently his lil' notebook was different depending on the country you watched the movie in. That must be the Australian version. Neat!

I was being sly, reinforcing his comment about subtle nods to specific parts of the audience with another situation where Marvel had just done that. I figured the Australian version would be pretty clearly targeted to be recognized by most for what it was.