Mass Effect Series Catch-All

Who did your jobs in the suicide mission?

Felix Threepaper wrote:

Random question -- does anyone decide NOT to go for romance in ME2 or ME3?

I did not romance in the original ME2. I had romanced Liara in ME1 with FemShep and since Liara wasn't in ME2, I toyed with the idea of romancing Garrus. Then Mordin started talking about chafing and oils and ointments and I ewww'ed out.

Liara -> Kelly (Or Thane) -> Liara.

Kelly is a fling, and it's not like you're going to get into a long-term relationship with Thane.

That Thane romance may have been the best one.

And yeah that was my original femShep path too.

I just thought of a simple addition they could have made to this collect that feels like a missed opportunity to me: some sort of reference to the Andromeda Initiative. It could have been as simple as a email exchange between Alec Ryder and Liara on the Shadowbroker Terminal in ME2 or ME3 or a bit of news playing in the background when you were on the Citadel or an add on one of the advertising kiosks. Just a little something to tie them more together.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Who did your jobs in the suicide mission?

Kasumi in the pipe.
Miranda leading both fire teams.
Zaeed escorting the crew back.
Jack on the bubble.
My personal team was Garrus and Mordin.
I think that's all the choices.

I sometimes wonder if I would have ranked ME3 higher if I had bought any of the DLC.

For example. On starting 3 I find myself in a tribunal. Why? I don't know. Despite having saved the day in the previous games now im in the dog house? Then some random guy called Jacob rocks up and apparently, we are best friends with a history? Who is this guy? I've no idea. Immediately I've kind of stopped caring about this story as it doesn't seem connected to things I've done in the past games. I'm told that the Leviathan DLC expleans a lot of interesting backstory. I wouldn't know.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Kelly is a fling, and it's not like you're going to get into a long-term relationship with Thane.

If you're approaching ME2 "in character," you might not be expecting to survive for a long-term relationship.

strangederby wrote:

I sometimes wonder if I would have ranked ME3 higher if I had bought any of the DLC.

For example. On starting 3 I find myself in a tribunal. Why? I don't know. Despite having saved the day in the previous games now im in the dog house? Then some random guy called Jacob rocks up and apparently, we are best friends with a history? Who is this guy? I've no idea. Immediately I've kind of stopped caring about this story as it doesn't seem connected to things I've done in the past games. I'm told that the Leviathan DLC expleans a lot of interesting backstory. I wouldn't know.

Starting ME3 "in the dog house" is explained as a political show for the Batarians after the events of the Arrival DLC in Mass Effect 2.

And yes, the Leviathan DLC covers a ton of backstory.

As much as I like the series, I can't disagree that they gated important story behind DLC, which is kind of slimy. Selling fun extras atop what feels like a "complete" game is one thing; charging extra for important plot and backstory is another.

At least the Legendary Edition contains everything, but the DLC strategy for the initial releases was kinda shady. (Although personally, I would have liked it if they'd gated some of the story DLC to only unlock after more progress was made. Pacing-wise, some of it was intended to be experienced post-game or at least late-game.)

strangederby wrote:

For example. On starting 3 I find myself in a tribunal. Why? I don't know. Despite having saved the day in the previous games now im in the dog house? Then some random guy called Jacob rocks up and apparently, we are best friends with a history? Who is this guy? I've no idea. Immediately I've kind of stopped caring about this story as it doesn't seem connected to things I've done in the past games. I'm told that the Leviathan DLC expleans a lot of interesting backstory. I wouldn't know.

The thing with James Vega (not Jacob Taylor he is a different character, part of your squad from ME2) never really felt like it got explained to me either. He was way too buddy-buddy from the get go without getting a proper introduction. Best I can figure is he was the dude assigned to "guard" Shepard during their house arrest or something. It was also super weird that he wasn't in uniform at the beginning of the game. He basically showed up for duty to the Earth System Alliance Council Chambers, a place you would expect dress uniforms or at least service uniforms, in his fitness uniform. He was also the main character of the poorly made and completely forgettable Mass Effect: Paragon Lost anime. He had some good moments in the Citadel DLC, but he is way down near the bottom of the list in my ranking of best Mass Effect characters (Jacob is down there as well).

I think the only DLC I really got for ME3 was mulitplayer related. And everyt bit of it was totally worth it.

strangederby wrote:

For example. On starting 3 I find myself in a tribunal. Why? I don't know. Despite having saved the day in the previous games now im in the dog house? Then some random guy called Jacob rocks up and apparently, we are best friends with a history? Who is this guy? I've no idea. Immediately I've kind of stopped caring about this story as it doesn't seem connected to things I've done in the past games. I'm told that the Leviathan DLC expleans a lot of interesting backstory. I wouldn't know.

Hm. I’m going to sound like a broken record maybe, but I don’t think I’ve tackled this particular one.

I was NOT surprised at myself Shepard in a tribunal in ME3. Many gamers make the mistake of thinking they “saved the day” in ME2. That’s not true. You successfully carry out the suicide mission assigned to you by Cerberus, a terrorist organization; while employing assassins, mercenaries, thieves, and aliens. We do not know how Earth views the Collector Base, and they will definitely NOT be pleased if you handed it over to Cerberus. The least that can happen here if you openly go back to Alliance Space is that you will be apprehended and subjected to a tribunal, but getting renditioned and tortured for information was probably also in the cards.

James is obviously your personal guard, and Shepard makes friends with him because that’s who Shepard is. She makes friends with everybody until they get inconvenient.

The backstory in Leviathan isn’t anything you wouldn’t piece together if you explored all the planets and read the Codex. Granted, that’s probably a bit of a big ask for casual players.

Bruce wrote:

I think the only DLC I really got for ME3 was mulitplayer related. And everyt bit of it was totally worth it.

I'm still a little sad they didn't remaster the multiplayer. Every time I did one of those missions where you end up in one of the MP levels just reminded me of all the good times I had there. Headbutting Geth as a Krogan Vanguard. Burninating everything as Trogdor the Vorcha Soldier. Constantly running out of ammo as the Turian Ghost while using the Harrier. Carrying games with a bunch of randoms as a level 1 Volus Engineer.

LarryC wrote:

The backstory in Leviathan isn’t anything you wouldn’t piece together if you explored all the planets and read the Codex. Granted, that’s probably a bit of a big ask for casual players.

At the end the Starchild basically covers everything that Leviathan covered.

"The Precursors were dumb and made an AI that killed them all to stop an AI from killing them all." Got it.

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The original ai was built to catch all pokemon. As the machine learned it discovered that organics created pokemon and would continue to do so. Therefore the only way to collect all pokemon was to destroy the organics before they could create more.

The cycle must continue, I am still missing some shiney pokemon.

Bruce wrote:
UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Who did your jobs in the suicide mission?

Kasumi in the pipe.
Miranda leading both fire teams.
Zaeed escorting the crew back.
Jack on the bubble.
My personal team was Garrus and Mordin.
I think that's all the choices.

As long as everyone is loyal, that should be a good crew? I don’t know what happened?

How did she die?

The math is weird. In short, loyalty does not guarantee survival. Here's a post from GameFAQs that details how it works:

Okay, here's how to total up your team on the Hold the Line portion of the Suicide Mission to see if your team will survive.

To get a team that can Hold the Line, this group must average 2.0 points.

Grunt/Zaeed/Garrus--3 points each, 4 points each IF LOYAL

Thane/Legion/Samara/Morinth/Jacob/Miranda----1 point each, 2 points IF LOYAL

Jack/Tali/Mordin/Kasumi---0 points each, 1 point IF LOYAL

Example 1: Let's say I plan to take Garrus and Thane and leave the rest to Hold the Line. Tali is the only person not Loyal because I didn't have enough Paragon/Renegede to stop her fight with Legion. Mordin gets sent back with the crew.

Team Totals:

Grunt 4 Zaeed 4 = 8
Legion 2 Samara 2 Jacob 2 Miranda 2 = 8
Jack 1 Tali 0 Kasumi 1 = 2

Total = 18/9 = 2.0 average.

Example 2: Same scenario, only this time I will take Miranda and Thane and leave the others to Hold the Line.

Grunt 4 Zaeed 4 Garrus 4 = 12

Legion 2 Samara 2 Jacob 2 = 6

Jack 1 Tali 0 Kasumi 1 = 2

Total = 20/9 = 2.22 average.

As you can see, you don't need everybody loyal, but you will need to calculate different teams until you get one that totals 2.0 average or higher. You don't need to have Zaeed and Kasumi who are DLC characters, but if you don't have Zaeed, you must leave both Grunt and Garrus behind to Hold the Line as their points are the highest and almost half the total.

This was originally from GameInformer magazine.

Well that... sucks.

I lost Mordin during the suicide run because I didn't immediately send him back to the Normandy. Apparently he's the most likely to die since he has low HP. Sucks. :/

At least now I get to talk to Padin "Not Mordin" Weks in ME3!

At roughly 3/4ths of the way through the game, I have a new-found appreciation for Mass Effect 3.

I really do like the war effort main through-line, and I like how you can wrap up a lot of really big universe choices (even though it's silly that one person is the catalyst for it all - but hey, video games!)

I do, however, fear that the ending will be as jarring as I remember. I beat it during the original Xbox 360 release, so I never got to do any of the DLCs, so maybe that will help... or not. I looked up what the expanded ending gives you, and it doesn't look to be that different.

If anything, the Citadel DLC seems to be the biggest winner from the original release's debacle since it gives you a little more time with your party members.

Anyway, the games still hold up. I'm still not a huge fan of ME1, but I'm glad it exists to introduce us to the universe (literally).

I might attempt to beat Mass Effect Andromeda - I gave up about 15 hours in originally, but enough time has passed that I will not judge it against the original games, but on its own.

I'm up to 3 now too.

I missed Leviathon last time which has been a change of flavor. It's interesting to see actions on missions that match those that were in the multiplayer - eg. escorting a drone.

Javik is a fun addition to the team.

I'm still mad about Tali though.

I finished 3 in the Legendary Edition last week. Hadn’t played any ME since 2 originally released and now knocked that all out at once. Absolutely enjoyed my time with ME3 and immediately went out and bought Andromeda for $5.

Now the part that is going to draw the hate… I’m about 20 hours in and… Andromeda is my favorite game in the series.

Does it feel like a sequel to ME3? No.

Is the story as deep as any of the others? Not at all.

Is the voice acting as well done? Nope.

Is it pretty? Definitely.

Is the combat the best in the series? HELL YES!!

vypre wrote:

Now the part that is going to draw the hate… I’m about 20 hours in and… Andromeda is my favorite game in the series.

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UpToIsomorphism wrote:

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Lol. I can’t argue. I didn’t say it is the best in the series. Just that it’s my favorite.

Andromeda does have very punchy combat, and awesome movement. No one dinged it for that. They dinged it for the cop out writing.

"Oops, all the other races got lost on the way here, so that's why they are not in the game."

COME ON.

My big issues were the world design and the lack of companion control.

They built cool huge maps that felt too big to me. Maybe they just felt empty? Lots if places that felt like they forced jetpack use rather than cool a place I can use my jetpack.

If no companion jumps out to me personality wise then I go off of cool powers. If I can't focus my teams powers in key moments it doesn't feel like mass effect to me.

The game has solid bones. I wish we could see a finished version of it.

My biggest issue was that in 2017, no one bothered in the game to comment on how effed up it was that several alien species were invading and colonizing a planet inhabited with sentient, intelligent life.

I enjoyed playing Andromeda. Sure it wasn't a good Mass Effect game but it was a fun game and I'm sad we never got any cool patches or DLC for it.