Crusader Kings II Plague-all

I can't wait to see what the next expansion is. I really hope they focus on RP aspects of it. That's what makes CK stand out. Stop trying to make it more like EU4. If I wanted EU4, I would buy EU4. I bought CK2 because I loved roleplaying as someone.

Heck, even your title proclaims your dedication to RP, Zane.

Nah, Zane is simply another victim of Choose Your Tag analysis paralysis. Just like yours truly. The shame!

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I wear it with pride.

Didn't someone request it? I thought it was Zane.

Robear wrote:

Didn't someone request it? I thought it was Zane.

I didn't say a thing while that thread was up.

See? You asked for it.

Sons of Abraham is out!

Bought it and the mini-DLC with it. As I always do with CK2.

Robear wrote:

Sons of Abraham is out!

Oh crap, forgot this was being released today!

Me too! Came out of nowhere for me. For some reason I was thinking 2014...

garion333 wrote:

Me too! Came out of nowhere for me. For some reason I was thinking 2014...

EU IV big patch is what got pushed out to 2014. I just was not paying attention, been crazy at work lately.

Just a note: if you are running CK2 bought from GamersGate, you have to exit out of Steam to play it and have your DLC be enabled. Evidently, there is a bug in CK2 that tries to talk to Steam even if you didn't buy it on Steam.

Also, there are evidently some issues with the Mac and Linux versions, mostly having to do with multiplayer.

Link.

This story is such a great example why I love this game and will keep playing it for years to come.

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?736028-From-Holy-Kingdom-to-Unholy-nightmare-Why-this-is-the-best-DLC-yet

From that LP:
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O.o

Fredrik_S wrote:

This story is such a great example why I love this game and will keep playing it for years to come.

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?736028-From-Holy-Kingdom-to-Unholy-nightmare-Why-this-is-the-best-DLC-yet

And... bought. I haven't played the game in months, but I WILL support that kind of lunacy with my money. Bravo, Paradox.

ebarstad wrote:
Fredrik_S wrote:

This story is such a great example why I love this game and will keep playing it for years to come.

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?736028-From-Holy-Kingdom-to-Unholy-nightmare-Why-this-is-the-best-DLC-yet

And... bought. I haven't played the game in months, but I WILL support that kind of lunacy with my money. Bravo, Paradox.

Trying to read that post on my phone as work blocks everything gaming related. Sometimes things sneak through (GWJ, quartertothree, etc.) but Paradox is big enough now that work blocks it. Boo. Anyway, tiny, tiny words on my phone. This better be worth it.

garion333 wrote:
ebarstad wrote:
Fredrik_S wrote:

This story is such a great example why I love this game and will keep playing it for years to come.

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?736028-From-Holy-Kingdom-to-Unholy-nightmare-Why-this-is-the-best-DLC-yet

And... bought. I haven't played the game in months, but I WILL support that kind of lunacy with my money. Bravo, Paradox.

Trying to read that post on my phone as work blocks everything gaming related. Sometimes things sneak through (GWJ, quartertothree, etc.) but Paradox is big enough now that work blocks it. Boo. Anyway, tiny, tiny words on my phone. This better be worth it. ;)

It is. Pretty crazy stuff. Cannot wait for a little time to sit down and get into the new DLC.

tboon wrote:
garion333 wrote:
ebarstad wrote:
Fredrik_S wrote:

This story is such a great example why I love this game and will keep playing it for years to come.

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?736028-From-Holy-Kingdom-to-Unholy-nightmare-Why-this-is-the-best-DLC-yet

And... bought. I haven't played the game in months, but I WILL support that kind of lunacy with my money. Bravo, Paradox.

Trying to read that post on my phone as work blocks everything gaming related. Sometimes things sneak through (GWJ, quartertothree, etc.) but Paradox is big enough now that work blocks it. Boo. Anyway, tiny, tiny words on my phone. This better be worth it. ;)

It is. Pretty crazy stuff. Cannot wait for a little time to sit down and get into the new DLC.

Yes, it was. Sold here too.

So after downloading that massive update, I started back up my game. It's late 13th century, and the Empire of Brittania is rolling, controlling all of GB except a couple of Scottish counties, parts of France, half of Spain and Italy, Palestine+, and bits and pieces of middle Europe.

After slapping the HRE around to take Provence (during which I noticed I could now call on over 150k soldiers), a few months later my military tab told me I only had 40k soldiers total available. This coincided with some crazy changes in the percentages for the various factions, the math never making any sense.

Does anyone know why my military size would shrink so suddenly? This wasn't from losses in the previous campaign, this was just a huge reduction in the total possible size.

Levy sizes are now more closely linked with vassal relations. Maybe some of them shifted significantly? Are there a bunch of people who hate you a lot now? Outside threats give you a boost to relations, so that could also affect things...though probably not if the previous numbers were from a war of aggression.

Gremlin wrote:

Levy sizes are now more closely linked with vassal relations. Maybe some of them shifted significantly? Are there a bunch of people who hate you a lot now? Outside threats give you a boost to relations, so that could also affect things...though probably not if the previous numbers were from a war of aggression.

I don't think that's the cause? When I hover over a vassal, where previously it said that I raise 10k troops out of 12k due to my reputation with that vassal, now it just says 3k out of 4k. It's as if the total troops they can raise suddently dropped by ~60%

That LP alone sold me on the DLC; I just grabbed it; good use for the $6 of Steam money I had.

StaggerLee wrote:
Gremlin wrote:

Levy sizes are now more closely linked with vassal relations. Maybe some of them shifted significantly? Are there a bunch of people who hate you a lot now? Outside threats give you a boost to relations, so that could also affect things...though probably not if the previous numbers were from a war of aggression.

I don't think that's the cause? When I hover over a vassal, where previously it said that I raise 10k troops out of 12k due to my reputation with that vassal, now it just says 3k out of 4k. It's as if the total troops they can raise suddently dropped by ~60%

The vassal's opinion modifies how many troops you can pull from (4k), the number you can pull (3k) is determined by your levy laws - I forget what % I always left that at.

It's very likely that a steep drop in available troops comes from opinion modifiers. Find out what's making your vassals unhappy and you can hopefully get more troops back.

Could be the patch as well. I want to say I remember reading something about how they lowered the troop levels across the board but cannot remember where. Perhaps a dev diary. You may have played until it triggered a recalc on the troop strength (no idea how CK2 works in this regard, so all speculation).

tboon wrote:

Could be the patch as well. I want to say I remember reading something about how they lowered the troop levels across the board but cannot remember where. Perhaps a dev diary. You may have played until it triggered a recalc on the troop strength (no idea how CK2 works in this regard, so all speculation).

That was my suspicion. It didn't seem like it was due to the existing game mechanics.

If you stumble upon where you read that, would love to read it, too.

StaggerLee wrote:
tboon wrote:

Could be the patch as well. I want to say I remember reading something about how they lowered the troop levels across the board but cannot remember where. Perhaps a dev diary. You may have played until it triggered a recalc on the troop strength (no idea how CK2 works in this regard, so all speculation).

That was my suspicion. It didn't seem like it was due to the existing game mechanics.

If you stumble upon where you read that, would love to read it, too.

Here's a thread on what they are calling "re-balancing".

Ah, and here is the dev diary that talks about levy reduction.

You're the best, tboon!

Alright, fascinating stuff:

There are several changes to the rules; first off, levies from outside your de jure capital region get progressively smaller in stages (county, duchy, kingdom, empire, outside). Secondly, vassals will not give you any levies if they don't have a positive opinion of you (previously the threshold was -25). On the other hand, you now always enjoy a big opinion boost if you are being attacked by foreigners, particularly by infidels. This means that you can usually raise something approaching your theoretical max while being attacked, but not when you are doing the attacking. (Incidentally, this also means that factions tend to be less dangerous while the whole realm is under threat.) Lastly, the ruler's martial skill has a direct and significant effect on the size of the levies that can be raised from his or her demesne.
We have also added whole new feature to improve the military side of the game; terrain bottlenecks. This is a system where the defending side in a battle has sometimes found suitable terrain before combat commences. The chance of this depends on the main province terrain and leader skill (there is even a new commander trait for this.) Each flank may have a narrow approach, preventing the attackers from attacking in numbers greater than the number of flank defenders (their number at the start) during the melee phase. The main reason we added this feature is that being outflanked is now much, much more devastating than it used to be, particularly if you are being outflanked from two directions, or through your (fallen) center.

I could raise about 450k soldiers in my current game, when I last checked (before the patch). I just checked now, and I can raise 650k. That may be due to the new infidel thing mentioned in Stagger's first quote above, as the Shais have a jihad called on me. The Shias have a max army size of 27k.

I wonder if they did anything to tone down retinues--they made the game a lot easier.

There seems to be speculation in dev diary comments about the retinue effects, but haven't found anything believable yet.

I also don't know what they mean by "your de jure capital region" (region?) and how much smaller the levies get. It's a bit vague.