Crusader Kings II Sparkle Pony-all

It's all about the claims. I had a war with the French, and due to simultaneous rebellions, I decided to give up my French territories to get them off my back. Lo and behold, they grabbed several English counties because I had stupidly left them in the hands of some of my vassals in France. Oh well.

What's the best way to handle a situation where you've discovered a plot but can't talk the person out of it? Earlier in my game, before I knew that was even an option (i.e., trying to talk someone out of a plot), I imprisoned the plotter and took a massive -40 Tyrant penalty. Now, however, I can't persuade a person from trying to kill her nephew and my assassination probability is too low. Do I have any options or do I just let the pieces fall where they may?

Put one of your Council - the Spymaster, I think - in the person's home county to establish a spy network. They will eventually dig up information on the person which you can use to hurt them. Or at least on *someone* in the county.

tboon wrote:

Yeah, don't go into a war expecting anything unless you are one of the primaries. The only reason to heed an ally or liege's call is to avoid the reputation hit with whoever called you (and I think there may be a prestige loss for ignoring a call to arms as well). But I never go fighting unless I am sure to get something out of it.

I was one of the primaries. The English never actually fought me, they just took over the spot that I had occupied, ironically because I had already beat down the enemy forces. I would have captured the spot if they hadn't somehow taken it out from under me.

ebarstad wrote:

What's the best way to handle a situation where you've discovered a plot but can't talk the person out of it? Earlier in my game, before I knew that was even an option (i.e., trying to talk someone out of a plot), I imprisoned the plotter and took a massive -40 Tyrant penalty. Now, however, I can't persuade a person from trying to kill her nephew and my assassination probability is too low. Do I have any options or do I just let the pieces fall where they may?

If its a known plot, you should be able to imprison them without any penalty. Although usually there is a chance they will escape imprisonment, and that can lead to a couple different outcomes. I tried to imprison a noble once who avoided it, then immediately raised a rebellion. That was a pain.

King Francisco's tale is a short one, as he passed away a week before Christmas 1156 handing over the Welsh crown to the now King Meurig II.

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Meurig 2 : Electric Boogaloo has been in power for 22 years now and his stabbing tally stands at : none. Despite this embarrassing swing away from the traditions that made his family great he has been a pretty good ruler who has done much to advance Welsh fortunes.

The new King had been sent to court in France at age six and in the following 28 years political machinations led to him rising to the position of the Duke of Upper Lorraine. This caused him to be seen as French by the Welsh and Welsh to the French, with the result that the day he came to power was not a good one, as Verdun, Metz, Dyfed and Perfeddwlad all rose up to dispute his ascension, joined by the county of Sundgau who took the field demanding independence.

With a war on five fronts I decided to let discretion be the better part of valor and immediately surrendered to Sundgau, granting them their independence muttering "I'll be back" like a French-Welsh Arnie. Of the two remaining enemies on the mainland only Verdun had a force large enough to cause issue, so I choose to put him off, ignoring his attack into Santois and waded into Metz to kick the crap out of those people. A sharp engagement drove the Metz army from the field and when two of their holdings were captured they offered surrender. I allowed their leader to keep his head and headed back to Santois.

The fight in Santois was a very close run thing because although we had a numbers advantage Verdun had a ridiculously good Marshall rated something like 27 for ability. Our victory was Pyrrhic with Meurig II's army being written down to just a few hundred men before they claimed the field, capturing the Count of Verdun in the process. M2 then turned his eyes to Wales, raising a significant mercenary force in Glamorgan to just end the uprising as quickly as possible. The backwater of Perfeddwlad was first and he smashed their 450 defenders with 4,000 men.

Then came the sad moment of turning south to attack Dyfed. King Francisco had granted the Dyfed title to his brother, Bernado and Uncle Bernado had been a Guardian for Meurig II for a short while and had always been loyal previously. He had to go though, and he couldn't raise anywhere near enough men to face off against our mercenaries and soon Bernado joined Verdun and the Countess of Perfeddwlad in Glamorgan's jails.

With all these counties returned to sanity I now had enough galleys to ship people about and so it was that I returned to Sundgau to have a chat with them about their independence. I hoped they enjoyed their 18 months of freedom as we absolutely squashed them flat and publicly executed their leader.

Since then Meurig has done his best to keep the English off balance, finding Dukes who have an extremely poor opinion of England's King Wiglaf and giving them money until they suddenly had enough to raise a mercenary army and revolt with friends. Eventually the right combination of events happened and for a few months Gwynedd was considered independent as they were part of an English uprising. M2 immediately declared war on the House of Hereford, smashed his way into Gwynedd and captured the county before the rebels were destroyed by Wiglaf.

M2 is now missing only Powys and Gwent to completely reform the Kingdom of Wales to original levels.

The Scots also gave the King a chance for expansion as they got a little over confident and started a major war. The Scots had captured most of Ireland and two English counties in the North West and then found a toehold in both France and Spain. Their push into France caused a war on the Brittany peninsular that left the door open to Nantes - a county that I randomly had a claim to, so in we went.

England is still fractured with Bedford and York rising up against the King, but sadly neither of those Dukes own Welsh counties.

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On the mainland you can see the Welsh enclave in Eastern France.

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Beneath the "3,838" soldiers is Nantes - the newest Welsh county.

Scottish adventures got carried away though as they attacked a Caliph in Spain and suddenly thousands of Muslim soldiers were afoot on mainland Europe - they landed in the newest Scottish holdings in Brittany and in Ireland and routinely destroyed Scottish armies and at one point there were Muslims in Carrick and Argyll, which led to the fall of the Scottish King to be replaced by the Duke of Moray, and the loss of some Scottish holdings in Ireland.

So Meurig II's reign has, thus far, been largely devoid of the sort of intrigue and espionage that had kept Wales alive with earlier Kings, but there has been a significant improvement in the size of the Welsh demesne. Of course, being a bubble of independence between France and the Holy Roman Empire is going to go very wrong at some point, but that will probably be the next king's problem.

Now though, working in the third decade of his rule the King has realised that he can't suitably bear the Morgan shield without getting his hands dirty somehow...

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Cheating on his wife and overthrowing the Pope should do it.

I'm officially a member of the owners club as of 5 minutes ago. I'm excited to really give this game a try. Sadly, I own many Paradox games, but haven't had the time/patience/skill to be more than a tourist. But Crusader Kings (1) felt like something special, and I decided to wait for this to come out. Now that my work schedule is slowing down, I plan to make up for all of that productive time!

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This was the first ruler of my empire, He started out with the county of Ulster, took over a neighbour then crusaded in northern africa and through careful manouvering was the guy in charge of sieging two provinces that he got to keep. Let's hope we're all going that strong at 74!

DON'T YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF TRYING TO MOVE?!

The temptation is going to literally kill me. Because instead of moving planning & packing, I'm daydreaming of dynasties and conquests and inbred royal children. My wife will murder me.

Only if she has the 50 gold the assassination costs, and if she's discovered she'll take a hit of -100 piety

Of course if your spymaster discovers the plot you could always imprison your wife and maybe execute or banish her.

Why wait for her? Pick see your wife dead as your ambition then get courtiers to join you to strengthen the plot!

Spoiler:

Am I helping yet? ;)

HedgeWizard wrote:

DON'T YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF TRYING TO MOVE?!

The temptation is going to literally kill me. Because instead of moving planning & packing, I'm daydreaming of dynasties and conquests and inbred royal children. My wife will murder me.

My experience so far is that she'll try to kill you if you're too lustful to leave the pretty court ladies alone in their rooms. Though my wife has so far been implicated in plots to kill both myself and my son, though that boy was born of my first wife. If she were not the daughter of William the conqueror, I'd toss her in jail. Instead, I have to ask her nicely to 'please do not poison members of your family, dear.'

EDIT: Wait, you mean your wife IRL? Sorry, man. I suggest loading a chair and desk into the van first, then 'pack and load' your laptop asap.

Knightsabre wrote:
ebarstad wrote:

What's the best way to handle a situation where you've discovered a plot but can't talk the person out of it? Earlier in my game, before I knew that was even an option (i.e., trying to talk someone out of a plot), I imprisoned the plotter and took a massive -40 Tyrant penalty. Now, however, I can't persuade a person from trying to kill her nephew and my assassination probability is too low. Do I have any options or do I just let the pieces fall where they may?

If its a known plot, you should be able to imprison them without any penalty. Although usually there is a chance they will escape imprisonment, and that can lead to a couple different outcomes. I tried to imprison a noble once who avoided it, then immediately raised a rebellion. That was a pain.

Unfortunately I don't have the option to imprison, either. End plot is my only choice and she just refuses.

It's too bad there isn't an option to share the info you've gathered with the intended target and let them deal with it.

This game's family relations seem to have been based on "The Lion in Winter". A marvelous choice, in my opinion.

Whew. Earlier today my burgeoning empire of Georgia got into some trouble with my neighbors and the peasants. It's pretty scary when the rebels bring thousands of troops to bear in a province just after you got done fighting a neighbor.

So, there I was feeling all proud as we had sucked up two Suffi counties with a decisive military battle in which we captured their leader. That's a quick way to get a surrender. I let my troops go back home and got to work on suppressing revolts and converting those heathens. Lo and behold my idiotic son was clearly mismanaging the one freaking domain I gave him as the peasants revolted bringing a few thousand troops to bear.

Well, great, guess I'll muster my forces again. What's this? I can only bring to bear about 600 or 700 troops. Crap. Well, they're just peasants, so we'll let them beat up on the city and see if I can call up some more troops in a little.

My chancellor came a knocking on my bed chamber insisting he had grave news. Secretly, I was hoping my buffoon of a first son from that backstabbing bitch wife (who resides in my dungeons at the moment) had died. Alas, it was truly grave news, Azerbaijan had formally declared war against us, claiming those two counties we had just bled for were in fact theirs. I roared with anger, but the chancellor was attempting to calm me down because that wasn't the grave news. He shocked me into silence. The Emir was mustering a force of over 4,000 troops to come take back the land. I railed at my chancellor to leave me at once, slamming the door on his nose. For minutes I leaned against the door, wondering how in the hell I was going to work this out.

Mercenaries. I can't afford enough to kill the invading army, but they'll whittle it down and buy me time. Problem is it'll take a little while for them to get across the map and while that's going on the rebellion continues on in my son's county. Oh well, his problem. I can always get that province back later, so I send off the mercs while plundering my wealth into a dangerously low range. The few weeks the mercenaries are going to take to get across the land are gonna kill me.

And they did just that. Lucky for me, my idiotic son happened to be hoarding money like it was going out of style. He took over as King of Georgia and was able to purchase thousands of mercenaries who then joined up with my mercenaries, kicked out the invading Muslims (while capturing their leader after two days of fighting) and then quashed the peasants. All in all it appears that my death was the catalyst that saved the dynasty. Poetic, as all my actions were.

(So, I totally switched tones and voices there in the midst of that little writeup. Sorry about that, but it seemed easier. I really meant for this to be a short writeup. I got lucky that my king dies and my heir was amassing wealth. Georgia lives on.)

I've had a few occasions where having the ruler die would be the best move for the dynasty. Pity there's no fall on your sword option

I had to remember to eat. Oops.

I keep forgetting to construct buildings and walls too. Oops.

garion333 wrote:

I had to remember to eat. Oops.

This game has made me forget to sleep.

Also: The AARs in the thread are marvelous -- well done everybody.

So after reading this thread, I finally caved and bought the game last night. Seven hours later I looked at the watch and realised it was four AM. Work with four hours of sleep is going to be such a joy.

I hope you f*ckers are happy.

Alien Love Gardener wrote:

So after reading this thread, I finally caved and bought the game last night. Seven hours later I looked at the watch and realised it was four AM. Work with four hours of sleep is going to be such a joy.

I hope you f*ckers are happy.

Deleriously!

Perhaps there's a finite amount of madness to go around. If we can snare more people, we'll all suffer a little less....or at least our own madness might seem to lessen....or perhaps the whole idea is just a sign of my own growing madness.

Relax, this game is programmed to receive.

I'm playing a Duke of Wales, who had just made himself King of Wales - he decided that it would be a good idea to invite one of William the Conquerors heirs to his court - I figured that I coud buy some time before England decided to invade me and subjugate Wales. You know, kick back with the heir to the throne, toss back some brews, and hey, that's a mighty fine wife you got there. So my King of Wales seduces the wife of the heir to the throne of England. And gets her pregnant. Twice.

Anyway, its almost the year 1200 now, and England has fallen into multiple warring states. I'm picking my way slowly along, picking up a county here, a duchy there. My King (the son of that playa-king) has been on the throne since forever; he's approaching 80 years of age, and after managing probably close to 40 or 50 years of peace he's been rapidly building up the inheritance he's going to leave to his son. Who has been in the past caught trying to have him assassinated (what am I going to do, throw my only son in jail?). Had to stop, because things are so chaotic (most of the north is ruled out of York, but the south is broken up into maybe 8 different independent groups. Next step I think is to unite Wales with Cornwall, and then sweep along towards London and then North. It could all go to hell quickly; I was playing a Spanish Christian King earlier who managed to take amost half of the Spanish peninsula, until he died in the middle of a war, and all of his holdings revolted, and every muslim nation nearby declared war. His heirs lost everything he had gained, and then the last of them got pushed back to two small counties in the very northwest corner - she ended up having more crowns than territories. So this time around I'm trying not to get too far ahead of myself.

Kid Charlemagne wrote:

So this time around I'm trying not to get too far ahead of myself.

Isn't that the truth?

Mr Bismarck wrote:

Then we are going to mess sh*t up. Or get stabbed.

this was great, thank you for that report.

Mr Bismarck wrote:

but I was almost-embarrassingly delighted yesterday when I finally pulled this off - I may even have punched the air.

Then we are going to mess sh*t up. Or get stabbed.

Hah! Fantastic report.

I realise that there are people out there playing CKII who have risen up from ruling a ditch in Transylvania to leading the world, but I was almost-embarrassingly delighted yesterday when I finally pulled this off - I may even have punched the air.

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Wales. Whole again.

By the time I finally managed to fabricate my first claim in this dynasty a chunk of Wales was already gone to the English and then when I maneuvered myself into position to take Powys and Gwynedd the stupid Duchess of Kent showed up to rain on my parade. This ended very badly indeed for the Kents, with an outbreak of contagious stabbings and the Welsh crown regaining Gwynedd and Powys, then grabbing the counties of Kent, Sussex and Wessex.

That then ended very badly for me, because the English King himself appeared to take all my stuff and leave me squished back into a corner with only Glamorgan and Dyfed once more.

Manufacturing civil war in England allowed me to reclaim first Perfeddwlad and then Gwynedd, (for the third time), this weekend, but Powys was still in English hands and Gwent had been in unbroken English rule for more than 80 years by this point. It was clear that if I was going to bring those counties back to their rightful authority then I was going to have to declare war on England, so that's what we did.

We immediately marched back into Powys only to be chased away when the King sent in a 4,000 strong army. He didn't like the idea of coming into Glamorgan to fight us though, so he swerved away to deal with an army of Bedford in Worcester. So I pushed my army back into Powys and worked on shipping my levies from Metz, Vedun, Santois, Lorraine and Sundgau over to Glamorgan. These armies then merged and joined the larger one in Powys to capture the last two holdings that brought the county under my occupation.

The King then returned with an army that was 7,000 strong and we ran again for the safety of Glamorgan, while reinforcements were added. Fortunately my Marshall had come through at exactly the right time and we had +50% reinforcement rates, so before long we eased into Gwent - now the only Welsh county remaining in English hands. The King reappeared with his large army and we weren't going to be running away this time and so came the battle of Newport.

The King had a slight advantage in total numbers and light infantry and a larger advantage in the ubiquitous English pikemen, while we had the advantage in heavy infantry, archers and cavalry, plus the opportunity to choose ground, giving us the defensive advantage.

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VICTORY!

This destruction of the English army led to the major uprising in Hereford that you see on the map above. This has essentially bisected the country with Bedford strong in the north and south, York holding much of the east coast and Hereford in the west. York is besieging the ground between his holdings and Hereford and that will cut off the last route of supply for the two halves of England.

With this new threat the King of England immediately came to the negotiating table seeking peace.

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11 October 1181 - Wales is officially reformed and whole.

Meurig II is old now and his children hate each other - Francisco Morgan has launched several assassination attempts on Duarte Duartes Morgan's children, for example - and Metz is unhappy at being ruled from so far away, so succession is going to be painful, but if the new King can stabilise things quickly, I think I can make a run at Meath, try to nab Cornwall off of whoever is King of England by then, then use Nantes as the bridgehead to strike out into Brittany and reform a true Celtic Empire of Gaels and Brythons.

Then we are going to mess sh*t up. Or get stabbed.

Does Crusader Kings II dump events to a log anywhere so that you can open it up with a text editor? Or are you guys just making AAR notes as you play?

I just screenshot everything. Then "read" the screenshots to remind me of what happened.

If the log dumped out somewhere that would be fantastic - it was a feature I wanted with CKI.

My Count of Ulster game hasn't been Crusader Kings, But it has definately been Crusader Counts and Dukes!

In the span of about 80 years I have had three rulers and all three have the Crusader trait

Starting as the count of one backwater province in Ireland I now have 5 Duchies to my name.

I control half of Ireland (6 provinces),
Kent, Surrey and Sussex (the duchy of Kent) in southern England,
Mallorca and Menjorca off the coast of Spain (taken from Infidels)
3 provinces in Tunisia that are too hard to spell, also taken from Infidels and
3 provinces in Cyrenacea over near tobruk, once again... taken from infidels.

I just need to continue slowly fabricating and claiming Ireland and getting de jure claims where I can when I usurp or create duchies until I can declare the Ulster men Kings of Ireland!

What's with the GWJ obsession with Wales? I keep playing Wales because my name ends in Cadogan Morgan, but I can't imagine that's the same for the rest of y'all.

My Croatia is slowly nibbling away at the Byzantine Empire. Feeling totally like an annoying ant trying to consume a dead elephant (with the caveat that the dead elephant can actually kill me).

Having a blast but I STILL can't get my head around managing the titles and inheritance of titles...

kazooka wrote:

What's with the GWJ obsession with Wales? I keep playing Wales because my name ends in Cadogan Morgan, but I can't imagine that's the same for the rest of y'all.

Wait, you can play other countries as well?!