Crusader Kings II Sparkle Pony-all

Gremlin wrote:
MrDeVil909 wrote:
I'm going to see how it plays out, but I suspect I'm pretty hosed.

This is every game of Crusader Kings ever, so you're doing something right.

Heh, guess when the tides of history turn against you you can only get washed away.

A question for the experts. Is it possible for my heirs to take over Scotland through careful marrying and maybe a bit of assassination?

Probably, DeVil. Don't forget, this game is designed to have ups and downs. As long as you don't run out of heirs, and your holdings don't go overseas via inheritance, you can usually come back in time.

Robear wrote:
come back in time.

Good song.

Robear wrote:
Probably, DeVil. Don't forget, this game is designed to have ups and downs. As long as you don't run out of heirs, and your holdings don't go overseas via inheritance, you can usually come back in time.

Yeah, in my Ireland game I had vassals rising and calling others in (I'd given a few too many counties to my sons with my previous ruler, and only directly held 3 of the counties), they built up an army of 20k and overwhelmed my standing army. They then decided to siege my holdings in Ossory with all of this army...and just as I was frantically contacting all FIFTEEN of my potential allies and was berating them for their refusals, the faction leader got a rock to the head, the faction collapsed and my rule was secure. My dungeons are now bulging, but I'll not make the mistake of executing family members again...'kinslayer' is a bugger to get rid of.

davet010 wrote:
Robear wrote:
Probably, DeVil. Don't forget, this game is designed to have ups and downs. As long as you don't run out of heirs, and your holdings don't go overseas via inheritance, you can usually come back in time.

Yeah, in my Ireland game I had vassals rising and calling others in (I'd given a few too many counties to my sons with my previous ruler, and only directly held 3 of the counties), they built up an army of 20k and overwhelmed my standing army. They then decided to siege my holdings in Ossory with all of this army...and just as I was frantically contacting all FIFTEEN of my potential allies and was berating them for their refusals, the faction leader got a rock to the head, the faction collapsed and my rule was secure. My dungeons are now bulging, but I'll not make the mistake of executing family members again...'kinslayer' is a bugger to get rid of.

I had a similar situation, whittled it down by spending a huge part of my wealth on mercs and bam, the dungeons are full. I did some banishings (they brought in most of what I spent on war efforts) and gave their titles to my sons, which now love me. Yes, I am a tyrannical bastard, but the vassals now obey and pay taxes nicely.

Also, playing Venice as a trading empire is my favorite thing to do in EUIII, so hooray for the new expansion.

MrDeVil909 wrote:
A question for the experts. Is it possible for my heirs to take over Scotland through careful marrying and maybe a bit of assassination?

I'm no expert, but I actually managed to pull that off once.

Farscry wrote:
MrDeVil909 wrote:
A question for the experts. Is it possible for my heirs to take over Scotland through careful marrying and maybe a bit of assassination?

I'm no expert, but I actually managed to pull that off once. :D

Hah, awesome.

Well, I ceded my throne to the king of Scotland. Still have a couple of duchies and now I need to wait for my duke to grow up and start popping out kids to marry off.

Also need to clear pesky uprisings, hopefully annoying Scots monarch wants to protect his turf.

Also started a Spanish game, does one need to fabricate claims to take over Muslim territory?

MrDeVil909 wrote:
Also started a Spanish game, does one need to fabricate claims to take over Muslim territory?
No, Christian rulers get an auto-causis belli against Muslims (the reverse holds true as well).

tboon wrote:
MrDeVil909 wrote:
Also started a Spanish game, does one need to fabricate claims to take over Muslim territory?
No, Christian rulers get an auto-causis belli against Muslims (the reverse holds true as well).

Ah, I thought that I'd read that. So do you just occupy the territory, or is there more to it than that?

A quick google search hasn't shown me the way, everything points me to Sword of Islam.

It should tell you the parameters of the war when you select "Declare War". Details in the right-hand box. I'll check this evening for what happens with Muslim countries, but I think you have to take down the country. In other words, you'd only want to do this by yourself to a neighbor you can take. Larger, more distant wars you probably want to join a Crusade to prosecute.

MrDeVil909 wrote:
tboon wrote:
MrDeVil909 wrote:
Also started a Spanish game, does one need to fabricate claims to take over Muslim territory?
No, Christian rulers get an auto-causis belli against Muslims (the reverse holds true as well).

Ah, I thought that I'd read that. So do you just occupy the territory, or is there more to it than that?

A quick google search hasn't shown me the way, everything points me to Sword of Islam.

It becomes part of your desmense when you take it (assuming you are the one starting the war and win it of course). At that point it becomes like the rest of your holdings. So you can give it to vassals, improve it, etc. You will need to get your court chaplain out converting the heathens, they are rebellious after being taken over. You can also force-convert any vassals that remain (I think, been a while since I've done this) which gets rid of the Catholic-Muslim relation penalty. I think you get a smaller one for force-converting, but cannot remember with 100% certainty.

Ah, okay. So joining someone else's 'holy war to retake blah blah' nets me nothing but a kick in the pants?

Makes sense. Screw those guys.

Think I'll just recreate the War of the Three Sanchos instead.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_o...

This game can turn a person into the weirdest history nerd.

I was telling my fiance about my sons successfully assassinating me, and my wife trying to off me while still providing me with children and she thought is seems fun and weird.

MrDeVil909 wrote:
This game can turn a person into the weirdest history nerd.

I was telling my fiance about my sons successfully assassinating me, and my wife trying to off me while still providing me with children and she thought is seems fun and weird.

Both of those things are true.

Just so you know, there is a different mechanic for crusades called by the Pope vs. your standard inter-religious beat'em up. In a crusade you get rewarded depending on how well you do (how much you contribute to war score i think it is). So if you join a crusade and kick some tail, you may get some land out of it.

wanderingtaoist wrote:
gave their titles to my sons, which now love me

You know, your sons might like you better if you saw them as people rather than objects. But then, perhaps that would be a sign of weakness.

tboon wrote:
MrDeVil909 wrote:
This game can turn a person into the weirdest history nerd.

I was telling my fiance about my sons successfully assassinating me, and my wife trying to off me while still providing me with children and she thought is seems fun and weird.

Both of those things are true.

Just so you know, there is a different mechanic for crusades called by the Pope vs. your standard inter-religious beat'em up. In a crusade you get rewarded depending on how well you do (how much you contribute to war score i think it is). So if you join a crusade and kick some tail, you may get some land out of it.

I used to send a token force led by any noble (or once, family member) who was getting on my wick. Strange things happen in sieges

After playing a couple of games of Endless Space to conclusion, I wanted to jump into a strat game with a bit more depth, so I started CK2 this weekend. My first game was as the head of the Holy Roman Empire, because the menu said it had a low difficulty. The game started and I tried to figure out what my goal was supposed to be. I decided to attack France and then suddenly my vassals in southern Italy all revolted and I decided it was too big a kingdom for me to manage to soon, so I quit.

Second game I played William the Bastard and invaded England, but then Norway armies arrived and killed all my guys so I resigned.

Third game, some French ruler. Died after a year, my wife took over as ruler, but no one liked her and people were constantly laying claim to my throne. Quit in year 4!

I'm now ruler of Navarra. Starting out, I owned two territories with another run by my vassal and half-brother. I was good friends with Sancho of Aragon and we helped each other out. Then my jerk vassal decided to try and take my throne and I beat him down and threw him in jail. But I'm not sure how to take direct control of the territory?

I ransomed him and let him go and then the f*cker tried to again. This time I executed him in jail. His title transferred to his daughter who hates me. She tried the same thing. Twice. Now she's rotting in jail (with her heir) and I'm still trying to figure out how to take the title away from her line.

My staunch ally Aragon fell to the moors and now I'm fighting on and off battles with muslims that have taken most of Spain.

davet010 wrote:
tboon wrote:
MrDeVil909 wrote:
This game can turn a person into the weirdest history nerd.

I was telling my fiance about my sons successfully assassinating me, and my wife trying to off me while still providing me with children and she thought is seems fun and weird.

Both of those things are true.

Just so you know, there is a different mechanic for crusades called by the Pope vs. your standard inter-religious beat'em up. In a crusade you get rewarded depending on how well you do (how much you contribute to war score i think it is). So if you join a crusade and kick some tail, you may get some land out of it.

I used to send a token force led by any noble (or once, family member) who was getting on my wick. Strange things happen in sieges ;)

The token is always the first to die. That's Hollywood 101.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
After playing a couple of games of Endless Space to conclusion, I wanted to jump into a strat game with a bit more depth, so I started CK2 this weekend. My first game was as the head of the Holy Roman Empire, because the menu said it had a low difficulty. The game started and I tried to figure out what my goal was supposed to be. I decided to attack France and then suddenly my vassals in southern Italy all revolted and I decided it was too big a kingdom for me to manage to soon, so I quit.

Second game I played William the Bastard and invaded England, but then Norway armies arrived and killed all my guys so I resigned.

Third game, some French ruler. Died after a year, my wife took over as ruler, but no one liked her and people were constantly laying claim to my throne. Quit in year 4!

I'm now ruler of Navarra. Starting out, I owned two territories with another run by my vassal and half-brother. I was good friends with Sancho of Aragon and we helped each other out. Then my jerk vassal decided to try and take my throne and I beat him down and threw him in jail. But I'm not sure how to take direct control of the territory?

I ransomed him and let him go and then the f*cker tried to again. This time I executed him in jail. His title transferred to his daughter who hates me. She tried the same thing. Twice. Now she's rotting in jail (with her heir) and I'm still trying to figure out how to take the title away from her line.

My staunch ally Aragon fell to the moors and now I'm fighting on and off battles with muslims that have taken most of Spain.

After a vassal rebels and you imprison them, you can go to the diplomacy screen with them and choose the "Revoke Title" action, just double-check the text to make sure your other vassals won't get pissed off (they shouldn't in the case of a rebellion you put down, because you have a legitimate case against the vassal who rebelled).

You can revoke your vassal's title to take control of the county off him/her, assuming that they are a direct vassal (ie, if you click on them, you are showing in the 'liege' circle at the top'.

If this is the case, click on the diplomacy scroll, and if you can do it, the option 'revoke title' will be at the top. You then send the message to them, and they take a few days to respond. This response may be vigorous, so I'd have some troops ready. It will also result in a drop in your standing with your other vassals (on the basis of 'him today, who tomorrow ?'), so it's not the sort of thing you want to overuse.

Also be careful that this doesn't trip you over the limit of demesnes that you personally can control, as the title reverts to you. If it does, make sure you pass it on as soon as possible, preferably to someone who's going to be less of a tit. I usually use it to destroy factions that are building up in opposition to me - that works well.

As for the HRE being 'easy', it might be powerful but there is a lot to keep track of. I've also noticed that the Normans usually collapse pretty quickly in England - in my current game, the Godwins were Kings of England before the end of the 12th century and still are in 1422, although they have moved the capital from London to Mantua in Italy, which makes visiting my sister Queen Emma quite pleasant, if slightly more complicated. Their Spanish holiday homes are nice as well...just goes to show, you can take the English out of Essex, but..

EDIT - As Farscry said, you won't get a hit on your standing with other vassals if you revoke a noble who you have imprisoned for legitimate reasons.

I talked to tboon about it and it seems the tripping point has been that when I ended the war by enforcing my demands, there was a unmentioned truce set in place. I can't revoke someone's title while there's that truce in effect, and I'm not sure how much longer it lasts.

Notification of a truce should be shown if you click on a province that you directly control - underneath your portrait will be a bar which contains blue tabs for truces that are in place (hover cursor over them and it will tell you the date, they are usually in force for 10 years) and red tabs for any current wars you are involved in.

Thanks, guys. The truce expired and I revoked her insolent ass.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
I revoked her insolent ass.

Now make a joke about how her ass was too large an addition to your demesne.

I am embroiled in a large civil war as the Emperor of the Roman Empire. I got lucky and had one ruler from age 0 to 65. It gave me many years of a respected ruler to expand and finally recreate the Roman Empire.

Of course along the way I became German and Catholic which makes ruling over the Greeks more difficult.

I am starting to get worried because I now share borders with the Golden Horde, but they have not yet attacked me.

In my experience, the Golden Horde expand massively (they got to Prussia and Denmark/Sweden in my game), but fall apart quite often, presumably when the leader or whatever he is dies and there is a succession crisis.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
I talked to tboon about it and it seems the tripping point has been that when I ended the war by enforcing my demands, there was a unmentioned truce set in place. I can't revoke someone's title while there's that truce in effect, and I'm not sure how much longer it lasts.

Ah, yeah, that gets messy. I hadn't thought about that part.

wordsmythe wrote:
wanderingtaoist wrote:
gave their titles to my sons, which now love me

You know, your sons might like you better if you saw them as people rather than objects. But then, perhaps that would be a sign of weakness.

My sons are my property. They like me because I ordered them so. I AM THE KING OF OYRLAND!

wanderingtaoist wrote:
wordsmythe wrote:
wanderingtaoist wrote:
gave their titles to my sons, which now love me

You know, your sons might like you better if you saw them as people rather than objects. But then, perhaps that would be a sign of weakness.

My sons are my property. They like me because I ordered them so. I AM THE KING OF OYRLAND!

If you have plenty of spare sons, it's always nice to marry off the more obnoxious ones matrilineally. To somewhere unpleasant.

davet010 wrote:
wanderingtaoist wrote:
wordsmythe wrote:
wanderingtaoist wrote:
gave their titles to my sons, which now love me

You know, your sons might like you better if you saw them as people rather than objects. But then, perhaps that would be a sign of weakness.

My sons are my property. They like me because I ordered them so. I AM THE KING OF OYRLAND!

If you have plenty of spare sons, it's always nice to marry off the more obnoxious ones matrilineally. To somewhere unpleasant.

Like Oyrland? Google says it's a small town in Missouri.

Well, finished my game in 1453 with a score of 47,700, about half way up the leader board.

Despite running the Sunset Invasion DLC from the start of the game, I didn't see any Aztecs.

Well, I tell a lie, I saw a few. While debating whether to try and reclaim the western province of Iceland, I noticed that the underage ruler looked a bit strange, and low and behold his mother and grandmother were described as 'Nahua', which when you held the cursor over it had the info (Mesoamerican). And that was it.

So, from Central America to Iceland. Bet that was a bit of a shock. I can imagine the first exchanges.

"Your winters are mighty cold."

"It's the middle of summer, love."