Crusader Kings II Sparkle Pony-all

Brownypoints wrote:

75% off on Steam today, woot. you Sir Steam have a deal.
However I think Paradox's sale system is odd, all games 50% for a week then on particular days individual games drop to 75% for 24hours only.
People who grabbed CK in the first few days at 50% off then saw the following day a further 25% reduction, rather than being joyful at the $20 saving might be miffed at missing out on a further $10?

"Always wait until the last day of sale" is one of the commandments of Steam sales I would say. I would say the wording of the sale is pretty precise so if you really really don't want to wait the extra few days you at least always know that you are probably paying a bit more.

What's the opinion on the DLC? Which pieces are worth it at the low low price of 75% off?

hbi2k wrote:

What's the opinion on the DLC? Which pieces are worth it at the low low price of 75% off?

Definitely the ruler designer, I'd say.

Hockosi wrote:

This was true for me, but CKII is easily the most accessible of all of the paradox games. It's a lot easier to get involved in what's going on given the family dynasty aspect...and maybe having a game of thrones on tv.

It makes a lot of English period movies/tv better, too. The Tudors makes a lot more sense now, and even Downton Abbey.

I went with everything but the music. I figure the Mongol faces will come in useful with the upcoming expansion.

I might dodge this one. Learning how to register a domain and set up hosting. Almost safe.

Personally, I went for the music. I love the music in the base game and am certainly willing to spend 49 cents to get more of it. Actually, that kind of art/sound upgrade is the kind of thing I really like in a long-running game. Gives me something new to experience, but doesn't interfere with my original reason for playing.

My take on the current DLC:
Dynasty Shields - I think this is "critical" DLC. This game is all about heraldry and better heraldry is, well, better.
Mongol Faces - Another piece of "critical" DLC. To be honest, the faces in the vanilla game are a little bit samey (although better with each patch, in my opinion). More diversity in faces is to be desired in this game.
Ruler Designer - Depends on how you want to play whether to pick this up. The way the DLC works is that you are taking over a slot from an existing ruler, *not* making a new one. If you want to play a more personalized game, it is worth it I think. But if you are playing for the "history" of it, then take a pass on this one.
Music (Songs of Albion, Songs of Faith, Songs of the Holy Land): I think the music is really well done, so I think these are worth it.

The upcoming DLC "Sword of Islam" looks like it will be really really good; I really can't wait for it.

So, I jumped in today for about ten minutes before I became overwhelmed and panicked. The freedom is a little disorienting, to be honest. What is the first thing I should even do?

There was I, deer in headlights as the days ticked quickly by. Suddenly, some duke or something told me I needed to sign something. And that's about as far as I got. Looks great, though. Looking forward to stressing out about vassals.

SortingHat wrote:

So, I jumped in today for about ten minutes before I became overwhelmed and panicked. The freedom is a little disorienting, to be honest. What is the first thing I should even do?

There was I, deer in headlights as the days ticked quickly by. Suddenly, some duke or something told me I needed to sign something. And that's about as far as I got. Looks great, though. Looking forward to stressing out about vassals.

The first thing you want to do is build a castle village, to get more money. Then build walls because they give you money and troops.

Just explore the interface at first. Or, look at some of the tutorials. They have a few included with the game and while they are not amazing they can jump start your knowledge of what buttons do what.

As for what you should be doing, that depends on what your goals are. It is always a good idea to improve your ability to make money. Also, think of ways to acquire more territory. Do you want to go to war with someone for it? DO you want to try and marry for it? Those kinds of questions.

It helps to think of it as more like a medieval Sim City than like Civilization. You don't have to worry about expanding faster than your neighbors lest you be left in the dust. Instead, focus on creating a stable status quo first, then consider expanding in a limited, controlled manner, then stabilize your status quo again.

I also find that a "no reloading except in the case of an obvious glitch" is a good policy to have. In many strategy games, if you lose any territory to the AI at all, it means you've done something terribly wrong. In CK2, that's just how the game goes. There's at least as much fun to be had in handling adversity and adapting to new circumstances as in flawlessly executing some grand master plan.

In your first game-- heck, your first FEW games-- you WILL occasionally make stupid moves because you don't fully understand the systems in play. Relax, don't worry about it. If you can, try and figure out what you did wrong, but in the meantime, just roll with it. You're not trying to conquer the world, you're just trying to figure out the cause and effect behind your actions. Watching some tutorial videos and asking questions in this thread will help, but ultimately the only way to learn the game is to play it and experiment.

Another beginner protip: one of the best places to start is as one of the two-territory dukes in Ireland. That'll give you enough to futz around with without saddling you with an overwhelming amount of territory to try to manage, and you won't have any aggressive neighbors to deal with right away.

Having got a hold of the basics, I have decided to move on from Iceland on the account there isn't much I can do apart from help people press their claims as I sit on my throne just chilling. Think I'm going to give Ireland a go.

So has Sword of Islam been dated, beyond the vague "June 2012"?

Robear wrote:

So has Sword of Islam been dated, beyond the vague "June 2012"?

Well I know that they have planned 3 dev diaries and done 2 of them with the last one coming tomorrow. So, sometime next week I am assuming.

Edit: Also, I inadvertently (well, more like "thoughtlessly"; I did actually do the upgrade on purpose only did so without thinking it all the way through) upgraded my CK2 install and my Flanders/Valois saves won't load anymore. So my AAR is dead. I may summon the willpower to write up the last ruler but am kind of bummed about my save being jacked, so probably not.

Another question - is there any mechanism whereby you, as the Earl of a County, can renounce your ties to your duke and declare yourself an independent realm? I mean, you'd have to likely be prepared to fend of a military invasion, but is there any way to secede?

Dysplastic wrote:

Another question - is there any mechanism whereby you, as the Earl of a County, can renounce your ties to your duke and declare yourself an independent realm? I mean, you'd have to likely be prepared to fend of a military invasion, but is there any way to secede?

My only serious game so far has been as an independent (first Duchy of Barcelona, and later Kingdom of Aragon), but I don't think you can declare independence without a war. Go to the diplomacy screen for your liege lord and see what the "Declare War" button offers you for a CB. I'm guessing there should be one for "the Tyranny of Duke So-and-so".

That would be right; I know *I'm* a tyrannical bastard as a Duke.

Argh! Everything was going swimmingly as Duke of Barcelona. I presided over seven or so conjoined provinces in northeast Spain as well as a couple of Italian provinces that I'd gained through savvy marriages. I had been whiling away the years investing in expensive improvements to my personal demesnes, when out of the blue the Holy Roman Emperor declared war and brought his full might down on me. He declared not for his own reasons but on behalf of my nephew, some wretched whelp whom several decades ago (as a prior dynastic ruler) I'd married off to a German baroness of small repute and promptly forgotten he ever existed. I guess I should never have forgotten him, I should have greased his palms occasionally. He got in good with the HRE, decided he'd like to live out the rest of his days in sun-kissed Barcelona, and that was all she wrote.

Well, nearly all she wrote. I still have the tiny landlocked province of Aragon to call my own.

After the declaration of war I tried to assassinate my upstart nephew, with the hope that the HRE would call off the show if there was nobody left in whose name to wage war. But even with the help of my spymaster my assassin failed. I could only afford one assassination attempt since I'd just spent a huge chunk of change on upgrading my holdings. I think in the future I need to increase the default size of my standing currency reserve, from ~150 gold to at least 300...

This game is terrific. Like so precious few do, it makes losing fun.

You can almost see yourself, newly dressed in one of the servants' old outfits, gathering up candlesticks in a drape and hauling your sobbing wife off to the stables as the enemy soldiers loot the castle grounds...

Robear wrote:

You can almost see yourself, newly dressed in one of the servants' old outfits, gathering up candlesticks in a drape and hauling your sobbing wife off to the stables as the enemy soldiers loot the castle grounds...

I usually take the opportunity to haul off that comely wench with the saucy smile and genetic potential while leaving my wife to the enemy. I like to think of it as a booby-trap.

/rimshot.

Thank you, I'm here for the next few minutes until we escape to my last existing castle in great haste.

Lobo wrote:

Argh! Everything was going swimmingly as Duke of Barcelona. I presided over seven or so conjoined princesses in northeast Spain....

The dangers of reading things like this after a few drinks while sleep deprived....

...although the game did suddenly sound even more awesome.

My 54 year old king had a wife about thirty years younger than him who had not produced an heir in about 3 years (after the first one popped out a year or so after the marriage). She finally fell in love with him when he bought her the best horse money could buy (literally, it was an event). Several months later, boom, she's pregnant!

Some things never change.

(The kid turned out to be much more talented than his older brothers, but my maneuvering to put him on the throne instead of his incompetent older brother failed when the good son was suddenly excommunicated right after I'd switched to elective inheritance. I suspect an adviser was behind it; he'd never have come up with that on his own. Older brother took over after the old King had failed at having the Pope lift his favorite's banning, before the old King died on campaign in Leinster.)

Are there any preferred LP videos for noobs? I started on ParadoxianLP's videos, but jumped in too quickly for me to really pick up on what he was doing.

I've been slowly going through this set as I'm playing my first game, and find it proceeds at a good pace.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...

Cheers for that, Dysplastic, I need something simple to follow else I'll do what I usually do with Paradox games - blunder about and get annoyed

My game with Ireland goes well, after starting with the Duke of Munster, who managed to become the King of Ireland, after living to a grand old age of 82. For a while there was abit of a crisis, after he had married off his first daughter to one of the Kings in Spain, only for his only son to die, meaning all his work would come undone if there were no more sons. Using the pretense of his current wife plotting against someone in the court, he tries to have her arrested (she was 48, so not much chance of producing any more heirs), only for her to escape back to Hungery, however Pope agrees to a divorce, pathing the way for him to marry a young 19 year old. She gifts him 3 more children but all are girls, the with a crisis of succession looming, they finally get a son, at the grand old age of 72, he then manages to father 2 more before dieing aged 82. Ending the Spainish Kings interest in the throne of Ireland.

The new King comes to the throne slightly too young to be in charge, but there is no trouble and he comes of age. He then brings the Isle of Man under his banner, before losing one county in Ireland because the heir was of the family of the Isle, a quick war follows and he captures the Duke of the Isles, keeps him imprisioned for 6 years before ransoming him off for a nice sum of 145 gold. The King of Scotland (an ally of Ireland) had already usurped his titles, meaning the tactic if holding him in prison just so he couldn't have any direct heirs meaningless.

After this was all done with, it was time to press the claim of his wife in Northern Wales, a war that was quick but led to a conflict with the Duke of Lanchester, who was in full rebellion against the King of England. Answering the wife's call to aid in this war, an army is sent back to Wales. However the Duke's forces were spread thin and a prolonged seige of York sees it end. With the wife in charge of Northern Wales, the heir is in a pretty decent postion.
Oh and all of Ireland but one county is under the flag of Ireland, so why have has it been left along? Because the guy who owns it answered the Pope's call for a crusade to the Holy Land, and since he commited most troops and they won, that guy became the King of Jerusalem, meaning his one county in Ireland is part of that Kingdom, it is now a staging post for those anwersing the call to throw back the Jihad to sent off on their long trip.
Oh dear lord this game is amazing.

I am looking at buying this game or the new extention for Civ 5. My budget this month can not get both. Any advice out there on which I should get?

Try the demo for this game, and then decide.

Seriously, if you haven't played CK before, it's hard to recommend whether you'd enjoy the gameplay. However, from a value standpoint, if you DO like the gameplay, CK2 as a base game is going to offer more content per dollar than the Civ 5 expansion.

Also, you've probably already played Civ before, and this expansion, while I'm sure it will be great and all, isn't likely to substantially alter the kind of game that Civ is. So you have to ask yourself: are you in the mood for something familiar and comforting, or something challenging and new?