
That is always a good scene. Add Return of the King as well when they kill Sauron at the end. Godzilla and Edge of Tomorrow are both on the list as well.
edit: Master and Commander is great. If you have great mains it really shines. I will have to check out BH Down. I usually don't have it turned up that loud. Saving Private Ryan is great as well. It sounds like the tanks are driving through your living room.
My favorites for testing out new sub/speakers are sub movies, Das Boot and Red October. But Master and Commander and Fellowship are right behind them. I do love that big WHOOOOOM when Sauron flattens everyone.
Found my problem. Wired too the wrong poles of the second speakon connector. I assumed, yeah I know, it would connect like channel A. Nope. Hooking it all back up now. Needs a bit of break in before I can really flog it. Pink Floyd: Pulse it is. Nothing like a live version of Dark Side of the Moon to liven up the evening.
Busy all weekend getting ready for football but I will get serious Monday with seeing how much I like this.
Problem not solved. Pulled the sub and checked wiring, Put it on the other channel, nothing. I am starting to think it may be a problem with the driver or possibly the other channel on amp. Weeeeee. Planning to take it all apart tonight and see what I can figure out. Swapping cable with known working, might even swap subs and any other basic trouble shooting I can.
Ok, figured it out. Had a pair of wires wrong at the connector on the sub. Now it works. Went from a couple of dead spots in the room to one full of sound. Watched Godzilla again last night. Wow. Probably going to watch Guardians of the Galaxy tonight.
Wowwwwww. The Birdman Blu-ray has some of the best sound design and audio ever. Buy it. Holy sheeet. It's a great way to show off your HT sound.
Wowwwwww. The Birdman Blu-ray has some of the best sound design and audio ever. Buy it. Holy sheeet. It's a great way to show off your HT sound.
Imma bet you $10 it, like every other movie made since, still isn't going to replace Master & Commander as the best audio system demo material ever made.
tuffalobuffalo wrote:Wowwwwww. The Birdman Blu-ray has some of the best sound design and audio ever. Buy it. Holy sheeet. It's a great way to show off your HT sound.
Imma bet you $10 it, like every other movie made since, still isn't going to replace Master & Commander as the best audio system demo material ever made.
Well, this is definitely a very different type of sound design. It's just plain cool and really makes the rear channels matter. I may have been caught up in the moment when I said that, but it is worth checking out at some point for the sound alone even if you're not really interested in the movie.
I haven't seen that since before I went off the deep end with my love of movies, so that would be a good one! I'll do that for a film of the week if it's streaming somewhere.
Nice.
So I'm looking at starting a basic audio system that I can build up in the future. Does anyone have any knowledge on Polk components? I'm looking into picking up these:
They seem to review really well for their price point. Looking to pair them with either a Denon AVR-X1000 or a Yamaha RX-V377, along with one of their subs (Polk Audio PSW505). Alternatively, the Wharfedale - Diamond 10.1's are in the same price point and review pretty well. I'm starting from a blank slate with zero equipment so I'm also looking into everything mentioned thus far.
Eventually I'd like to build into a multi-room set-up, which is one of the reasons why the X1000 appeals to me. Has anybody done any kind of airplay set-up with it?
I originally picked up two Sonos Play 1's. They seemed to be pretty well rated and I liked the sound well enough but I'm not so sure I want to invest in some of the bigger components like the soundbar just to get video audio. Plus I feel there's gotta be a way to do this cheaper that will be more satisfying.
For Bookshelves, right now, really there's kind of an embarrassment of riches, as far as great quality speakers for moderate or even low prices. Pioneer has the BS-SP22's that often get recommended above speakers that cost two or three times as much, with the not uncommon claim that they sound just as good as many of those said much higher priced products. A danish loudspeaker brand called Dali is also gaining ground in recent months, with their Zensor line. A pair of the Zensor 1 bookshelves runs about $400, but many seem to claim they do actually best the Pioneer pair for overall for sound. Once you go higher than that I think you have to start looking at brands like KEF or Paradigm. Tons and tons of options. If you can find a local specialty audio store that might have some options that you can actually hook your own source up to and actually listen to the speakers.
On the receiver, the price difference between the X1000 and the newer updated X1100 without the DD+ decoding weirdness with Netflix is marginal enough ($30-40 or so) that you should just get the newer model if the Denon is the way you'd like to go.
For the sub, now that I've bought a sub from a company that really specializes in quality subwoofers, I will never buy a sub from any of those core audio brands again unless I read something really specific that says they've changed their ways. I've had a Sony, an Onkyo, a Kenwood, and one from BIC America.
The one I have now from SVS puts them all to shame. If you're going to buy a sub, save up a bit extra and get a genuinely good one. You'll be glad you did, especially if you've ever had a lesser one before.
Do you have a budget or is it more of a thing where you just want to do the research, figure out what you want, and then save until you can throw it all together?
There's potentially more "future-proof" receivers, in particular, at the moment. You can get an Onkyo with basic Dolby Atmos decoding (the TX-NR636) for $500 now. And I'm back to actually recommending Onkyo receivers again, as the reports of the HDMI ports in their receivers just up and failing died off over a year ago, so they seem to have fixed their reliability issues. They've always sounded great and still do, and usually beat other brands on as far as quality features per dollar.
But that's back to the budget question.
On the receiver, the price difference between the X1000 and the newer updated X1100 without the DD+ decoding weirdness with Netflix is marginal enough ($30-40 or so) that you should just get the newer model if the Denon is the way you'd like to go.
There's a known issue with Netflix DD decoding? Huh, that could explain a thing I've been noticing. It seems like whenever I watch something on Netflix, I notice that the "S" sounds in dialog sound really bad, almost static-y. Is that potentially some weird issue with the audio compression? I've got a Dennon AVR-591 right now that I've otherwise been happy with.
Do any of the newer receivers overlay a volume level display on video running through it when adjusting the volume? Mine won't, and my wife always complains that she can't see the display on the unit itself well enough.
There's a known issue with Netflix DD decoding? Huh, that could explain a thing I've been noticing. It seems like whenever I watch something on Netflix, I notice that the "S" sounds in dialog sound really bad, almost static-y. Is that potentially some weird issue with the audio compression? I've got a Dennon AVR-591 right now that I've otherwise been happy with.
Mmhmm, but it's only on Netflix, nothing else. Amazon's content encoded with DD+ plays perfectly. It has something to do with the way Netflix encodes their content, or what bandwidth they allow for audio, or who knows what else, and the particular decoder hardware in certain receivers. I've never read of anybody actually getting to the actual root cause of the issue. I've cross compared the same title directly across both and the Amazon will play perfectly while Netflix will constantly drive you nuts with the odd distortion. It is exactly what you're describing. S sounds get some weird warbly sibilant noise to them, sometimes even sounding like it was recorded while someone with a lisp had a mouthful of water. Sony and Denon saw it most, but it appeared in a few other specific models here and there as well.
My solution has been to just only use Netflix on my PS3, where I can disable DD+ and it gets downsampled to regular Dolby Digital and completely eliminates the distortion. Another thing that can work is watching Netflix on something that will let you change the audio output to Multi-Channel PCM instead of Bitstream. This fixes the issue on the Xbox One.
Unfortunately my "streaming box" of choice is the Amazon Fire TV, and it simply doesn't offer the control over the audio output so right now for watching Netflix I have to use other devices.
Do any of the newer receivers overlay a volume level display on video running through it when adjusting the volume? Mine won't, and my wife always complains that she can't see the display on the unit itself well enough.
I actually have the Denon X-1000 and it does exactly what you're talking about with the OSD displaying volume over top of whatever video source you're watching. That's getting to be a common feature, and the OSD's are actually getting to a point where they're fairly usable. Sony's OSD on their newer receivers is great but the receivers have dropped off on the audio quality side again over the last year. The OSD on my X1000 is pretty solid. My understanding is Onkyo's has improved a lot recently as well.
Thanks, that's exactly the issue I'm hearing, and since the PS3 is my Netflix box, that's an easy fix to make.
The OSD isn't something that I'd upgrade my AVR for, but it's definitely something I'll be looking for when I decide to get a new one. I'm glad to hear that they're getting better. Mine has an OSD, but it only displays when there's no other video signal going through or you're in the device menus, so it's not really useful.
Do Onkyo's still run really hot? My last one was an Onkyo, and it was incredibly warm. A friend's family had one that would actually shut off during really loud scenes, and I eventually tracked it to a heat issue. They had it in a fairly enclosed cabinet, and it was HOT in there. Moving it out of the cabinet fixed it, but the heat thing kept me away from Onkyos when I was shopping last time.
Do any of the newer receivers overlay a volume level display on video running through it when adjusting the volume? Mine won't, and my wife always complains that she can't see the display on the unit itself well enough.
The Yamaha RX-V377 I picked up recently (low end but great bang for your buck) does. it's fairly minimalist too, so it doesn't get annoying. You can actually do the HDMI CEC thing which links up your TV and receiver that'll actually show your TV volume then on screen and let you use the TV remote for volume. I don't like that, though. There are some separate issues with my setup which caused me to turn that off.
I like that it displays the volume on screen because it let me turn the brightness down all the way on the receiver.
In other news, that Yamaha has been great this year! Great purchase and going refurb worked out well in my case. Also, my nice Yamaha A-S500BL integrated amplifier has been working wonderfully the last couple years with my other audio setup. Still love that thing.
Do Onkyo's still run really hot? My last one was an Onkyo, and it was incredibly warm. A friend's family had one that would actually shut off during really loud scenes, and I eventually tracked it to a heat issue. They had it in a fairly enclosed cabinet, and it was HOT in there. Moving it out of the cabinet fixed it, but the heat thing kept me away from Onkyos when I was shopping last time.
From what I've read the newer Onkyos do run on the hot side. The Sony I was using before my current Denon also ran really hot.
My X1000 is easily the coolest running receiver I've ever owned.
One other thing of note, if you're a fan of making use of room equalization/correction setups there are some things to be aware of. Most notably all of them will often fail to properly detect speaker sizes if you have any full range towers. It will identify them as small and then improperly set crossover frequencies.
The other thing is that using the same speakers in the same room in the same positions, various implementations of all room correction algorithms will set subwoofer levels across a huge decibel range. I think Wirecutter noted a 15db range in subwoofer levels across 5 receivers. That is a huge variance. So if you're going to run one but it seems like it killed the volume on your sub or maybe cranked it too high, tweak it until you're happy with the way it sounds. Don't just assume it's doing it right.
I went through with a tape measure and set all my speaker distances from my listening position manually, set crossovers on my front towers manually, and came away much happier with the sound on my system than I was with Audyssey's settings and their multiEQ stuff turned on.
Last time, I used Audyssey, then did a bunch of tweaking to the levels that it set. The center was way low compared to the left/right speakers, and the sub was way off. I've never been advanced enough to mess with crossovers or anything. One nice thing is that my wife has a laser measuring device, so I can sit in the primary position and measure distance to the speakers with a frikkin' laser beam!
Thanks for the awesome feedback! I'm planning on building up my system piece by piece over time so I don't really have an overall budget per se but I don't really want to go crazy with it either. I'll most likely start with a receiver and speakers (maybe sub) and work my way up over time. I'd say my sweet spot for speakers would probably be at the $300 mark, so I'm wondering if I should even look any further than the Pioneer's you mentioned. The prices for those are low enough that I can get several components without feeling like I'm going overboard. From what I've read in reviews everyone seems to agree with the point that they perform at a much higher level than their price would suggest. I don't have a good store nearby to try the speakers so I have to buy somewhat in the dark online, which is why I'm focusing on product reviews.
I guess my other option would be to hold out and pick up some speakers in the $500 price point for better quality. Though it seems really easy to get carried away when it comes to audio so I'm trying to avoid that. I dunno... I want quality but I also feel that it's difficult to gauge what a good price point will be without being able to listen to the difference between the two. Audio sites seem to be super subjective too, with some sources saying a product is amazing while others blast it (often for things that I probably wouldn't appreciate anyway). I guess that's the subjective nature of sound though.
Question! How do most receivers handle monaural audio? I'm currently watching a monaural movie and my Yamaha RX-V377 plays the monaural soundtrack through the left and right speakers. Not a big deal, but my previous receiver just ran it through the center channel. I'm curious how most receivers handle this situation. I suppose I'd ultimately prefer it to just play through the left and right channels rather than the center.
The receiver actually has a mono movie setting which is actually really cool. It plays the audio through the center channel and then has the audio somewhat muted playing through the SR and SR speakers on a slight delay. It sort of imitates what happens in a big old movie theater. I actually really like the effect and will now watch all old mono movies that way.
I added the Sonos Sub to my Sonos Playbar and color me impressed.. for a wireless sub it sure sounds awesome. Probably the best sub I've ever owned. Makes a huge difference watching movies on a non 5.1 or 7.1 setup. Feels more like a true Home Theatre experience over just the soundbar. My wife is happy because its wireless and looks actually pretty cool.. Glossy piano Black with a cool shape it looks more like some sort of art/sculpture than a speaker.
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Did find out something stupid.. in the last round of Panasonic Plasma TV's for some bizarre reason Panasonic got rid of the option to disable the built in speakers.. so I was getting double audio from both the sound bar and built in speakers.. turning down the sound to zero didn't help because no matter what I tried the Xbox One remote or Kinect would send codes to both the Sonos Soundbar and TV. I had to google for a bit and found a few others in my situation.. only option was to put the TV into Hotel Mode and set the min vol and max vol to zero. Thanks internet for rescuing me.
TheGameguru wrote:I added the Sonos Sub to my Sonos Playbar and color me impressed.. for a wireless sub it sure sounds awesome. Probably the best sub I've ever owned. Makes a huge difference watching movies on a non 5.1 or 7.1 setup. Feels more like a true Home Theatre experience over just the soundbar. My wife is happy because its wireless and looks actually pretty cool.. Glossy piano Black with a cool shape it looks more like some sort of art/sculpture than a speaker.
Edit
Did find out something stupid.. in the last round of Panasonic Plasma TV's for some bizarre reason Panasonic got rid of the option to disable the built in speakers.. so I was getting double audio from both the sound bar and built in speakers.. turning down the sound to zero didn't help because no matter what I tried the Xbox One remote or Kinect would send codes to both the Sonos Soundbar and TV. I had to google for a bit and found a few others in my situation.. only option was to put the TV into Hotel Mode and set the min vol and max vol to zero. Thanks internet for rescuing me.
Does your TV not disable the internal speakers when you've got ARC enabled over the HDMI connection? My ST series does this, so I assume the ZT would. Or perhaps you have things connected differently than I do.
How do you enable ARC over HDMI on the TV? or Xbox One?
TheGameguru wrote:Chairman_Mao wrote:TheGameguru wrote:I added the Sonos Sub to my Sonos Playbar and color me impressed.. for a wireless sub it sure sounds awesome. Probably the best sub I've ever owned. Makes a huge difference watching movies on a non 5.1 or 7.1 setup. Feels more like a true Home Theatre experience over just the soundbar. My wife is happy because its wireless and looks actually pretty cool.. Glossy piano Black with a cool shape it looks more like some sort of art/sculpture than a speaker.
Edit
Did find out something stupid.. in the last round of Panasonic Plasma TV's for some bizarre reason Panasonic got rid of the option to disable the built in speakers.. so I was getting double audio from both the sound bar and built in speakers.. turning down the sound to zero didn't help because no matter what I tried the Xbox One remote or Kinect would send codes to both the Sonos Soundbar and TV. I had to google for a bit and found a few others in my situation.. only option was to put the TV into Hotel Mode and set the min vol and max vol to zero. Thanks internet for rescuing me.
Does your TV not disable the internal speakers when you've got ARC enabled over the HDMI connection? My ST series does this, so I assume the ZT would. Or perhaps you have things connected differently than I do.
How do you enable ARC over HDMI on the TV? or Xbox One?
Unfortunately I'm on the east coast for two weeks and won't be able to look at my settings. I only know for sure that it works when I use the TV's built-in Netflix app or any TV stations. My PS3 is connected directly to my receiver, so I don't need ARC for that. I noticed though that sometimes my TV doesn't handshake properly and I get double sound from my TV and receiver. Restarting the receiver fixes it.
This site's explanation is probably what I had to do, but I'm not sure.
Also, and you might have seen this too, ARC only works if the speakers/receiver is connected via HDMI 2 on the ST60, so that might be the case on yours as well. If you're already doing that, then I'm out of ideas till I get home.
Oh.. yeah there is no receiver in this particular room.. its just the TV and the Sonos Soundbar and Sub.
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