Help Me Build My PC Catch-All

Quick question. I got guilt tripped into helping a buddy pick out some parts and put together a PC this weekend.

We ordered this ASRock motherboard. And he will be picking up the i7 3770k today.

I noticed on the ASrock site that it lists two supported 3770k models. i7-3770K(E0) & i7-3770K(E1). I'm hoping that this is just something like OEM and retail and not actual revisions. The Microcenter link doesn't specify what version it is. Is this something I should be concerned about?

No idea what the E1 and E0 mean-- they're not even listed on Intel's CPU specs. I found that link by googling, and the link description mentioned E1, but the site itself makes no mention. Honestly, I wouldn't worry. Basically, if your processor matches the motherboard's socket type (1155), and the processor family is listed as compatible with the mobo, you'll be fine. To be honest, I'd never heard that there was even more than two types of 3770-- the regular and the unlocked (K).

Well, there have been different steppings of other processors in the past. The old Core 2 Quad Q6600 had a specific version or two that were notably more overclockable than the other steppings, and people went out of their way to try to get that one specific version.

But none of them were ever incompatible with specific motherboards, as far as I know.

I believe those are revision numbers. You can get slight variations in performance or overclock results, but it's pretty academic. The only way you can tell is looking on the processor itself or in a utility like CPUID.

*edit*

Serves me right for commenting 15 minutes after loading the page.

I've been getting more into the habit of typing out a reply, cutting it to the clipboard, and then refreshing the page before I actually post. Just in case.

ASrock Extreme3 and i7 3770k are what I'm running right now.

My only complaint about the board is that EVERYTHING is black or dark brown. Have to go to the manual to figure out which slots to put the RAM into.

Spoiler:

Working away from the CPU, slots 1 and 3 are paired, and 2 and 4 are paired. Otherwise known at 1A/2A and 1B/2B.

Thin_J wrote:

I've been getting more into the habit of typing out a reply, cutting it to the clipboard, and then refreshing the page before I actually post. Just in case.

I do that much of the time, too. Sometimes I get lazy, though.

OK, cool. Thanks guys.

McIrishJihad wrote:

My only complaint about the board is that EVERYTHING is black or dark brown. Have to go to the manual to figure out which slots to put the RAM into.

Spoiler:

Working away from the CPU, slots 1 and 3 are paired, and 2 and 4 are paired. Otherwise known at 1A/2A and 1B/2B.

Hah, yeah I read that as a complaint on Newegg posts. I guess I will have to break out a really bright flashlight for this one. It will be a bit different from my current EVGA board which has color coded everything.

obirano wrote:
McIrishJihad wrote:

I'll follow up and say HDD.

In addition to the memtest option, I'd also suggest throwing Ubuntu on a USB and booting into that. At least then you could try and do some stuff with the HDD, maybe even try to save any data you have on it. At a worst case, the HDD is toast, but a best case is some kind of corrupted boot record that may be fixable without any data loss.

Hm. So even if it works just fine with the other gpu, the HDD could still have issues?

I guess a follow up will be, what does Ubuntu do exactly? I've never heard of it.

So a buddy of mine listed out some hardware and told me he used a PSU calculator on Newegg, and he said it contradicted what I told him he needed.

So as an experiment, I basically picked out all the hardware from the rig I'm sitting on right now and plugged it into three PSU calculators. One from Thermaltake, one from a third party, and one from Newegg.

The Thermaltake Calculator: 614 watts
Third party (Extreme Power): 602 watts
Newegg calculator: 785 watts.

Don't use the Newegg power supply calculator. It's ridiculous.

*FYI, the rig I'm on it says I need 785 watts for has been running on a 750watt for ages.

obirano wrote:
obirano wrote:
McIrishJihad wrote:

I'll follow up and say HDD.

In addition to the memtest option, I'd also suggest throwing Ubuntu on a USB and booting into that. At least then you could try and do some stuff with the HDD, maybe even try to save any data you have on it. At a worst case, the HDD is toast, but a best case is some kind of corrupted boot record that may be fixable without any data loss.

Hm. So even if it works just fine with the other gpu, the HDD could still have issues?

I guess a follow up will be, what does Ubuntu do exactly? I've never heard of it.

It's an operating system. You can run it off of a USB stick or DVD, and since it is not running off your hard drive you can diagnose hardware issues.

Citizen86 wrote:
obirano wrote:
obirano wrote:
McIrishJihad wrote:

I'll follow up and say HDD.

In addition to the memtest option, I'd also suggest throwing Ubuntu on a USB and booting into that. At least then you could try and do some stuff with the HDD, maybe even try to save any data you have on it. At a worst case, the HDD is toast, but a best case is some kind of corrupted boot record that may be fixable without any data loss.

Hm. So even if it works just fine with the other gpu, the HDD could still have issues?

I guess a follow up will be, what does Ubuntu do exactly? I've never heard of it.

It's an operating system. You can run it off of a USB stick or DVD, and since it is not running off your hard drive you can diagnose hardware issues.

Could it really be a HDD issue if the system runs fine when a different card is installed?

obirano wrote:

Could it really be a HDD issue if the system runs fine when a different card is installed?

Not sure, it's part of the problem solving process. If you boot into Ubuntu and you can see the hard drive and all the content, then maybe the drive is fine. On the other hand, if you're not able to boot into Ubuntu either, then maybe it's still the video card. Hard to say at this point.

Citizen86 wrote:
obirano wrote:

Could it really be a HDD issue if the system runs fine when a different card is installed?

Not sure, it's part of the problem solving process. If you boot into Ubuntu and you can see the hard drive and all the content, then maybe the drive is fine. On the other hand, if you're not able to boot into Ubuntu either, then maybe it's still the video card. Hard to say at this point.

Have you checked your BIOS settings? Check boot drive priority. Actually, first, check that the drive is visible to the BIOS at all.

Also, I think you said you saw the Gateway logo on boot. Does it possibly have onboard video in addition to the graphics card you added? If so, make sure it somehow didn't get chosen as a default display adapter over your card in the BIOS.

EvilDead wrote:

Hah, yeah I read that as a complaint on Newegg posts. I guess I will have to break out a really bright flashlight for this one. It will be a bit different from my current EVGA board which has color coded everything.

...that was probably me...

Unfortunately, the flashlight won't help you much - but the manual certainly will. There's not a lot of text silk screened on the board.

McIrishJihad wrote:
EvilDead wrote:

Hah, yeah I read that as a complaint on Newegg posts. I guess I will have to break out a really bright flashlight for this one. It will be a bit different from my current EVGA board which has color coded everything.

...that was probably me...

Unfortunately, the flashlight won't help you much - but the manual certainly will. There's not a lot of text silk screened on the board.

OK, I'm going to look for a PDF of it now.

Microcenter was out of Windows 8 OEM copies. I was wondering if I grabbed my work MSDN copy and installed it, would we be able to put an an OEM key eventually? Or does the MSDN one only work with retail keys?

Big thanks to LiquidMantis, he sent me the majority of parts for a new build for a great price. Here's my new desktop build!

Athlon X2 4600+ 2.4Ghz
ASUS Crosshair AM2
BFG Tech GTX 260
Corsair 4gb DDR2800
Seagate 7200.10 500gb drive
OCZ Vertex 3 120gb SSD
Corsair TX750M power supply
Corsair 400R case

Picked up the case and power supply last night, put it together in just over an hour. I like the case, people didn't lie when they said Corsair makes it easy to put together a computer. And the case looks so neat and tidy!

Everything's running nicely on Win7 64-bit. Will probably install Linux Mint on the other half of the SSD this weekend. Everything went smooth, except I am using an Insignia 40" LCD right now as a monitor, so sometimes the computer doesn't like to display anything at bootup. A restart usually solves that.

Looking forward to having a continuous project for the years to come

Citizen86 wrote:

Big thanks to LiquidMantis, he sent me the majority of parts for a new build for a great price. Here's my new desktop build!

Athlon X2 4600+ 2.4Ghz
ASUS Crosshair AM2
BFG Tech GTX 260
Corsair 4gb DDR2800
Seagate 7200.10 500gb drive
OCZ Vertex 3 120gb SSD
Corsair TX750M power supply
Corsair 400R case

Picked up the case and power supply last night, put it together in just over an hour. I like the case, people didn't lie when they said Corsair makes it easy to put together a computer. And the case looks so neat and tidy!

Everything's running nicely on Win7 64-bit. Will probably install Linux Mint on the other half of the SSD this weekend. Everything went smooth, except I am using an Insignia 40" LCD right now as a monitor, so sometimes the computer doesn't like to display anything at bootup. A restart usually solves that.

Looking forward to having a continuous project for the years to come

That's wonderful, and you're faster at it than I am. I'm halfway through my build, but have been going piecemeal and only in my spare time, around family, work, and getting our house ready to sell.

I'm hoping this weekend I'll be cussing at Wine as I try to play Spec Ops: The Line without a Windows install.

Yeah, there are plenty of games in Linux these days, but I've decided to try to avoid Wine and just use Windows the few times a month I have some time to play games. The few hours I have I don't want to go towards debugging Wine, and just play a game.

I also was working around my 10-month old boy. He's going to love computers. He was all over the case as it was on the ground, standing over it, pulling cords. We kept an eye on him, but he has having the time of his life.

I won't stray too far, but if I have the same issue installing XP 64 to a SATA drive that I did the first time 'round, it'll be a while before I get a Windows license, OEM or no. Now that I think about it, though, it installed nicely to my iMac in Boot Camp. I guess that's because Boot Camp takes care of the device drivers itself.

Jerks.

Why can't Microsoft support their 12 year old OS!

Citizen86 wrote:

Why can't Microsoft support their 12 year old OS!

JERKS.

But, for real, I know it's b0rk3n. It's just what I have and I know I'll use Linux by orders of magnitude more frequently.

But...some things are in the wind. +)

Citizen86 wrote:

Why can't Microsoft support their 12 year old OS!

I take it as a personal insult any time I have to support it. Never been happier than we they messed up our image for it at work and decided not to bother making a new one.

Still another year officially

MS[/url]] Support Ends April 8, 2014

so I figure I should service XP clients at least until then (while politely suggesting they upgrade soon).

MannishBoy wrote:
Citizen86 wrote:
obirano wrote:

Could it really be a HDD issue if the system runs fine when a different card is installed?

Not sure, it's part of the problem solving process. If you boot into Ubuntu and you can see the hard drive and all the content, then maybe the drive is fine. On the other hand, if you're not able to boot into Ubuntu either, then maybe it's still the video card. Hard to say at this point.

Have you checked your BIOS settings? Check boot drive priority. Actually, first, check that the drive is visible to the BIOS at all.

Also, I think you said you saw the Gateway logo on boot. Does it possibly have onboard video in addition to the graphics card you added? If so, make sure it somehow didn't get chosen as a default display adapter over your card in the BIOS.

Not sure what I'm really looking for there.

Well I can say that it is not set as the internal card. Tried that and had to go searching for some cables.

Usually if the computer tries to boot from a drive that doesn't have an OS, it'll notify you, but I did notice that in my build last night that it is possible if it doesn't have an OS it will just give you the blinking cursor. I think that's why a few people are circling around to the hard drive idea.

But in the BIOS, they're all different, but there is usually a Boot menu, where you can find something about boot order.

Ah. Wait. Hard drive order says no hard drive. Weird.

Tried it back with the old card, Bios shows a hard drive.

WINNAR!

Props to Mannish for being smarter than me

My bios is now updated. Tried it with the new card now and just a black screen. No bios or logo anymore.

Bad video card... Again? make sure its connected and powered. Just.... Check again