DOTA 2 Catch-all

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I think Harry's Greevil is identical to my own. The drop rate on essences is still pretty high and I know people who've already found a few extra eggs, so getting a decent greevil shouldn't take all that long if you don't have one already.

casktapper wrote:

I think Harry's Greevil is identical to my own. The drop rate on essences is still pretty high and I know people who've already found a few extra eggs, so getting a decent greevil shouldn't take all that long if you don't have one already.

Ya I'm debating building another one with different abilities for kicks if we do pre-made stuff. This is a "carry greevil" haha.

Happytime Harry wrote:
casktapper wrote:

I think Harry's Greevil is identical to my own. The drop rate on essences is still pretty high and I know people who've already found a few extra eggs, so getting a decent greevil shouldn't take all that long if you don't have one already.

Ya I'm debating building another one with different abilities for kicks if we do pre-made stuff. This is a "carry greevil" haha.

Well, here is a bit of a guide if you are looking to build another greevil. http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/commen...

I have enough right now for a level 3 orange greevil, which I'm considering. Though I don't have an egg at the moment.

I played two games last night. Still trying to figure out the strategy. What's the advantage of changing into a greevil rather than staying as your hero? Most of the folks stayed as heroes and I think switched to greevil only when low on health since the greevil has a seperate health bar.

Also, should we open our greevil presents now, or should we wait until after the greeviling to open them?

In case anyone is interested, they released the Bastion announcement pack for Dota 2.

Grevils are immune to certain abilities -- like dark seer's wall, and Silencers curse of the silent. Also, depending on how fed your greevil before youhatch it you can end up with better base stats than heros. At least in the beginning. towards the end, with all the items, the heroes far out pace the Greevils.

XantaKlawz wrote:

I played two games last night. Still trying to figure out the strategy. What's the advantage of changing into a greevil rather than staying as your hero? Most of the folks stayed as heroes and I think switched to greevil only when low on health since the greevil has a seperate health bar.

Also, should we open our greevil presents now, or should we wait until after the greeviling to open them?

Good greevils are vastly more powerful than level 1 heroes. And they do get some benefit from leveling, so remain competitive with all but the heroes who luck into some appropriate weapons. There's no reason to save the presents and in fact you might help yourself my opening the materials to create a better greevil. I'm sure it's already started, but in a couple days players will be very unhappy to end up in a group with someone with a naked greevil.

And yes, I will definitely be buying the Bastion announcer.

I run skeleton king with that greevil, so level 1 with vamp aura he's really really strong. Vamp aura, skeleton king ult, and vlads all persist into greevil form, it's pretty ridiculous.

Happytime Harry wrote:

I run skeleton king with that greevil, so level 1 with vamp aura he's really really strong. Vamp aura, skeleton king ult, and vlads all persist into greevil form, it's pretty ridiculous.

Hot fix today. No more hero auras while a greevil. I don't know about sk ult, but I suspect not.

casktapper wrote:
Happytime Harry wrote:

I run skeleton king with that greevil, so level 1 with vamp aura he's really really strong. Vamp aura, skeleton king ult, and vlads all persist into greevil form, it's pretty ridiculous.

Hot fix today. No more hero auras while a greevil. I don't know about sk ult, but I suspect not.

Ya and the higher level greevils got nerfed, all my stats were down.

*grumble* I shouldn't have been trying to be fancy mags with blink, skewer into reverse polarity. Just set up the rp into ice path. Had a great start as mags but had trouble once sf became a beast. Ok, maybe this is a little too specific. Match ID 82630237. We did have a nice 5-man kill in our jungle before the game started ... Just like the pros!

Yeah, I hate to back seat quarterback, but I felt our mid/rubick kinda let us down. Didn't keep an eye on SF, and decided that he was a carry, even though the captain picked him as a split support.

Not that we're absolved of not noticing, but a heads up would have been nice. A "hey shadow fiend was mid against me and he's not any team fights, I've noticed..."

I wouldn't have ragged on him if he hadn't done something similarly myopic in the previous game as Kunkka, when he only farmed in lanes full of people. Fell way behind the Luna in that match, leaving Tiny to carry. And Tiny is too soft a carry to carry on his own.

Questionable times to build BKB too.

Nice enough fellow though.

Atomicvideohead wrote:

Yeah, I hate to back seat quarterback, but I felt our mid/rubick kinda let us down. Didn't keep an eye on SF, and decided that he was a carry, even though the captain picked him as a split support.

Not that we're absolved of not noticing, but a heads up would have been nice. A "hey shadow fiend was mid against me and he's not any team fights, I've noticed..."

I wouldn't have ragged on him if he hadn't done something similarly myopic in the previous game as Kunkka, when he only farmed in lanes full of people. Fell way behind the Luna in that match, leaving Tiny to carry. And Tiny is too soft a carry to carry on his own.

Questionable times to build BKB too.

Nice enough fellow though.

I don't disagree that Rubick could have done more, but we kept talking, as a team, about how SF was getting free from but none of us was really doing anything about it. I was TPing between lanes for a while to at least try to protect towers, but for the most part we kept focusing on team fights in other lanes. We needed to get organized about getting some dust or wards and making him pay. That's something we like to rely on our supports to do, but when that isn't happening, the rest of the team needs to step in.

I agree. Blame totally spread out. We all saw it.

Hypothetical Blame order:

Richter (he's captain! Ultimate responsiblity!)25
Rubick (above mentioned reasons)24
Me (I laned against him the previous game when he was Luna)23
Everybody else (was there!)19 each!

5 v 5 at 2 reminder! That's 30 minutes from now!

Atomicvideohead wrote:

5 v 5 at 2 reminder! That's 30 minutes from now!

Bah crap, I have some errands, if you guys are still on 330 or so i should be back.

Anyone have a spare DOTA 2 key for a buddy of mine? He's not a GWJ'er, but he'd love one.

I have, give me his email or tell him to add me on steam.

Just picked up the holiday early access pack in the Steam sale. Never played a MOBA, hoping to see the light.

Sorry I couldn't join you all earlier today. I'll try to make time for the next event (translation: I'll start looking at my steam events calendar).

Just got gifted DOTA2 access. What's the best way to learn...repeatedly losing to bots? repeatedly losing to people? watching tournaments?

Cod wrote:

Just got gifted DOTA2 access. What's the best way to learn...repeatedly losing to bots? repeatedly losing to people? watching tournaments?

Read guides and comp-stomp to learn the basics. Watch a game or two to get a better sense of how to play specific characters.

http://www.purgegamers.com/welcome-t...

Since we have a couple new folks starting, I thought I would re-post the primer I put together earlier in the thread. I'd probably tweak it some to be a bit more current, but it's late and I have an early flight. For those that I play with regularly, I'm travelling for the next 4 days, so I won't be in-game until after the 26th.

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Cinematic -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cSFP......
- just to get the juices flowing

Welcome to Dota, You Suck -
http://www.purgegamers.com/welcome-t...
- the single best summary of how the game works and how a beginner can
approach the game

Tutorial Videos -
http://www.youtube.com/user/DotaCine...
- these are some of the best videos I've found on demonstrating
various techniques in the game in an accessible but detailed way

The International 2 -
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...
- Valve recently held an invitational in Seattle with a 1.6mil purse
and a 1mil grand prize. I've linked to the playlist for day three and
there are some spectacular pro matches with extremely high production
values

Pub casting -
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...
or http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...
- some commentators take user submissions, some of lower level play,
and offer criticism on player decisions. Gave me a lot of tips on
things to avoid and things that were effective

Dota 2 Hero difficulty ratings -
http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/User%3...
- Once I started playing, this was very handy to help me start with
heroes that weren't as complicating. Just sort the table by overall
rating and it will help guide you in your early choices

Dota 2 Alt-tab guides - http://dota2alttab.com/
- great suggest skill/item builds for each hero. Extremely useful to
bring up on a 2nd monitor so you can refer to an effective build
order. These are better than the in-game suggested items and while
they aren't "optimal" builds, they are likely better than what you'd
choose with beginner knowledge.

Thanks for the links! Looking forward to trying this out.

Thanks - lots of stuff to die-gest there.

I'm back in town after some holiday travel and I'm looking forward to getting some dota in.

Happy New Year fellow DOTAers! I hope everyone enjoyed their vacation. Unfortunately I was sick for much of the holidays, but I still managed to get a little bit of dota in. I even hit the 300 match milestone (52-48 in my 3rd 100 matches) and right now - with 307 matches played - I'm only 7 games below .500. I'll be happy when I finally bring my all-time win rate over 50%. I'm also on a mission now to play at least 1 pub match with the 31 heroes that I still haven't played outside of 5v5s or bot matches. I notice that a lot of those are agility heroes. Hopefully I'll get there before I hit 400 matches.

I also thought I'd include one of the best professional matches that took place over the holidays. This was game 2 of DK vs. LGD.cn in the preliminary round of G-League. Some are calling it the best match of the year, but I think there were a few more dynamic matches that were more interesting to watch.

A wry observation by Kieron Gillen of RPS:

There were at least two to my observation that DOTA was a machine for generating sh*theads. [...] Seemingly every mechanic in DOTA2, from the macro to the micro, breeds sociopathy (And anyone who argues that a game where Denying – the slaughter of your own men – is a core mechanic isn’t actually sociopathic as the creeps aren’t anything real is only proving my point. Gandalf doesn’t set fire to his hobbits when they start looking a little peaky).

The only cure for it is the bonhomie of realising that when you've got a game as gloriously intricate as DOTA, you’re almost certainly never going to be "good" at it, and the point is the journey and the best journeys are with friends. Repositioned mentally as less of a grudge-f*ck and more the spiritual successor to the social niche that Gauntlet filled in 1985, this is even harder to (ahem) deny what a genuinely astounding game this is. I just hope one of the main RPSers comes around to it before its release.

I'm curious where your at record wise right now Cask, after last nights games.

I'm feeling like the pendulum is gotta swing the other way tonight, and we'll all get destroyed.

(I also think its interesting that you're below .500, but above it with the people you play with most. Do you pub a lot Cask?)