The Wolf Among Us Catch-All - All episodes released!

Did they announce chapter 2 was done 3 months ago and they were just holding onto it, or are you saying you'd prefer they release an unfinished, unpolished game?

No, I'd prefer that they didn't ask for my money until the game is nearly finished, so they know they can roll out the episodes on time.

The way they're doing it now, it's more like a Kickstarter, except that this wasn't explicitly part of the deal.

There's a simple solution: I just won't buy Telltale games anymore until they're done. That way, I know what I'm getting (a complete game) and when I'm getting it (immediately).

This prepay thing is great for them, but not so great for me.

Coolbeans wrote:

Sorry, no refunds given written on a sign very plain on a sign at the front door.

That's not the case with the game though. People have gotten in contact with MS and have gotten refunds. You're trying to justify bad behavior when there is no justification for being an asshat...

I usually pay for my steaks at the conclusion of the meal.

Malor wrote:
Did they announce chapter 2 was done 3 months ago and they were just holding onto it, or are you saying you'd prefer they release an unfinished, unpolished game?

No, I'd prefer that they didn't ask for my money until the game is nearly finished, so they know they can roll out the episodes on time.

The way they're doing it now, it's more like a Kickstarter, except that this wasn't explicitly part of the deal.

There's a simple solution: I just won't buy Telltale games anymore until they're done. That way, I know what I'm getting (a complete game) and when I'm getting it (immediately).

This prepay thing is great for them, but not so great for me.

You can also pay for the episodes one at a time when they're released. I went for the Season Pass because I trust Telltale, and $10.64 was an unbeatable deal. I can understand why some people are upset, and maybe it's my pile privilege talking, but you weren't forced to pay for the whole thing up front.

SallyNasty wrote:

I usually pay for my steaks at the conclusion of the meal.

So when you order delivery you make the delivery person just wait there?

How is the episode? Has anyone played it yet? I saw someone comment that it was short, but not much else seems to have been said...

TheHarpoMarxist wrote:
SallyNasty wrote:

I usually pay for my steaks at the conclusion of the meal.

So when you order delivery you make the delivery person just wait there?

How is the episode? Has anyone played it yet? I saw someone comment that it was short, but not much else seems to have been said...

Overall I really liked it but it is VERY short for the length of time it's taken (I wasn't keeping track of the time but RPS said around 90min which sounds about right). I continue to be intrigued by the world and the mystery, which is going in some interesting directions.

It's more linear than the first as well and it doesn't feel like many of the choices vary in any significant way (not that they often do anyway but the illusion is less effective this time around).

One low point though is a scene involving a couple of characters from episode 1 which is pretty much pure grade-A sitcom "comedy of errors" that's about as cliched as you can possibly get.

Also some nudity in this one, and the girl in question is not being treated particularly well, if that's an issue for anyone.

Spoiler:

The little mermaid, trapped in human form (where every footstep is like walking on broken glass) is being berated and humiliated by her pimp for not being good enough at dancing on a stripper pole

I enjoyed it. It was very short and the only real mistep for me was

Spoiler:

The Beauty and Beast stuff, in fact just Beauty in general in that section, when she is calling you a great detective at the crime scene.

As for the wait, I don't mind, I had plenty of other games to play in the mean time.

Thanks pyxistyx and onewild!

I'm not one to complain about waiting on games, or about running times, so neither of those things are an issue for me.

Looking at my time spent on it total, it stands at 3 hours so yeah about 90mins per episode.

JillSammich wrote:
Coolbeans wrote:

Sorry, no refunds given written on a sign very plain on a sign at the front door.

That's not the case with the game though. People have gotten in contact with MS and have gotten refunds. You're trying to justify bad behavior when there is no justification for being an asshat...

Doing nothing of the sort thank you very much. I am merely stating that people do indeed have the right to be upset. And the only refunds that have been given have been for folks who mistakenly paid the $5 for episode 2, not for people who bought the season pass.

One more time.

- people absolutely have the right to be bummed.

- people are wrong for acting like entitled children. There is a difference.

I went for the Season Pass because I trust Telltale, and $10.64 was an unbeatable deal.

Well, I trusted Telltale, and gave them full price, $25, back in October.

I'm not feeling especially well treated.

JillSammich wrote:

One more time.

- people absolutely have the right to be bummed.

- people are wrong for acting like entitled children. There is a difference.

One last time. You are acting as judge and jury. People are entitled to expect what they paid for and were promised. They do get to be bummed. You get to have the opinion that some have overreacted. I get to have the same opinion. That does not make it fact. That does not make them "wrong."

That does not make them "wrong."

No, but it does make them pretty unpleasant.

It seems like some people are just pointing that out, that the people ranting are being jerks. Others are pointing out that accusations of Telltale doing this deliberately are ludicrous. And then yet OTHERS are saying that Telltale made no explicit promises, and ergo customers have no right to be upset, that they're not being mistreated.

These are getting mixed together, but they really are separate issues.

Check your XBL messages. I got one at 5:54PM saying "You bought The Wolf Among Us Season Pass and didn't receive Episode 2: Smoke and Mirrors! Here's your free code to redeem for Episode 2 at account.Xbox.com or on your console."

You guys are beating a fairly small, clearly laid out point to a bloody pulp. Time to move on.

Bonus_Eruptus wrote:

Check your XBL messages. I got one at 5:54PM saying "You bought The Wolf Among Us Season Pass and didn't receive Episode 2: Smoke and Mirrors! Here's your free code to redeem for Episode 2 at account.Xbox.com or on your console."

Sweet. Downloading now!

Yep. I got my code.

Certis wrote:

You guys are beating a fairly small, clearly laid out point to a bloody pulp. Time to move on.

Please don't get my thread closed!

I just finished the second episode. I hadn't wandered into the thread until now, since seeing all the new posts I thought there was a grand discussion about the merits of the episode.

Nope.

Anyway, I thought it was alright. It escalated the story, but there weren't any clear major decisions like in Episode 1.

If you play through it once, you will (again) leave a Book of Fables entry locked. Here is how to unlock it:

Spoiler:

Rewind to chapter "Wrath." The main choice is whether to torture the suspect or not. Choose the other path in order to unlock the entry.

Speculation and questions:

Spoiler:

Why did Beast show up at that time? Coincidence or was he sent?

It makes sense for Ichabod to have the Snow fetish, especially since he could be in position to get a lock of Snow's hair. I doubt he is the murderer.

I'm sure we will be seeing more of Jack.

Finally, this episode was very choppy on my PS3. Scenes would take a while to load, and sometimes the scene would pause for several seconds.

When I first played through, it was too early for any global stats to have been accumulated yet. So I just went and looked, and was surprised to note that I got a 4.5% outcome, near the end of the episode:

Spoiler:

In the fight with Beast, I was pretty horrified by the claws-in-the-eyes thing, and knew he wasn't really an enemy, so I just stopped hitting him. But, you can't not fight at ALL, which I did try, or it's game over.... you have to at least bloody him up a little. But, then, instead of beating the crap out of him, you can just... not hit him. He clocks you with a bottle, and then Beauty steps in.

It's really interesting how few people took that path... it makes me wonder if it's videogame reflexes at work, where you're supposed to 'win' when the game presents you with that kind of option, and that overrides other thinking.

Also, in the bar scene:

Spoiler:

I don't think Telltale was really prepared for the idea that you really might not break anything at all, because Georgie reacts just like you're busting up the place, even if you aren't. Yet, about 71% of people don't break anything.

This episode really did feel rushed, in retrospect. I'll have to explore the other side of the choice tree (the 'bad wolf' save), but things just didn't hang together as well as they might have, and they didn't feel all that well thought out.

I think the criticisms aimed at this episode are valid, but there is something about the characters and the world that just let me gloss over the shortcomings and enjoy the journey. As someone not familiar with the source material, I love the noir-fairytale combo -- it really works for me.

One thing I preferred about this episode vs the last one is that there are fewer QTEs. I don't play these games for the action; I play them for the story.

It's really interesting how few people took that path... it makes me wonder if it's videogame reflexes at work, where you're supposed to 'win' when the game presents you with that kind of option, and that overrides other thinking.

I think so. It didn't even occur to me that there was an option at that moment, beyond the one they explicitly present towards the end.

Overall, Telltale haven't done anything here to dampen my enthusiasm for the rest of the season; just the opposite, actually. I do hope the next episode is a bit meatier, though.

Is anyone else playing on the 360? If so, does it run like garbage on your machine or is it just because I'm still on a launch system?

JillSammich wrote:

Is anyone else playing on the 360? If so, does it run like garbage on your machine or is it just because I'm still on a launch system?

I'm on a Jasper chip after my 2007 360 RROD'd, but I read pretty much everyone had a lot of stuttering with Episode 2, particularly when showing the previously-on/next-on stuff. Mine did, too.

Yeah, I got some stuttering on the PC. Gotten some from time to time in TWD too. They're not exactly taxing games, graphically; you can tell that Telltale's strengths are in storytelling, not the technical aspects of making their games run well.

Kinda late to the party, but I just finished both episodes 1 & 2 today, and I really, really liked what I saw/heard/experienced.
Apologies if this has already been asked (I promise, I do plan on going back and reading all six measly pages, promise), but do I risk spoiling the game if I go and read the comics? Because the episodes really left me wanting some more Fables, and I just can't wait until they release the last three episodes.

Considering that Steam already has the achievements planned out, that means the rest isn't far off, right? Right?

Uh, well, the one spoiler I saw mentioned has already been de-spoiled by the midpoint of Ep2, so it might be okay. But wait for other opinions, because I haven't read the comics.

I've only read the first two or three volumes, but that was many years ago. Overall, i'd say you don't lose anything from the game by reading ahead, but that could just be my fuzzy memory. Only two real things have popped for me as close to spoilers so far; [not spoilers if you've finished episode 2]

Spoiler:

The big one, that Snow really wasn't dead at the end of episode one, and a general mistrust of Crane from the get-go due to knowing that Snow would get his job later. Plus i really felt like punching Jack when he showed up in ep 2, but that's not a spoiler as such.

I agree with Dryden. I've read most all of the trade paperbacks of Fables. Other than knowing where characters end up, I don't feel spoiled about the game.

The comic takes a little while to warm up. I thought the first volume was Ok, but I really liked the second. The first major arc covers books 1 through 11 (War and Pieces). The rest has been very good, but not quite up to the bar of the first major arc.

You mean you didn't like seeing Morpheus' character design from the Sandman slapped onto a Generic Evil Doomsday Baddie like rouge on a whore?

I enjoyed the first episode, and was happy to see the second episode is available after a crappy day. Time for a strong drink and a descent into more frowny-faced fables. ^.^