Help me build my PC 2016 Edition Catch All

Eleima wrote:
RoughneckGeek wrote:
Eleima wrote:
boogle wrote:

You large case heathens.

Hey, I have two SSDs and four HDs. I need a large case to satisfy my needs. :D

That would fit with ease in my tiny Node 304.

My next upgrades will be done with the intention of downsizing further into that sexy, sexy Dan A4 case boogle is rocking.

I was in love until I saw it wouldn't accommodate my ATX mobo. Then my heart broke all over again.

I ended up going for the Fractal Design Core 500 as my case (very similar to the node 304). Couldn't be happier and so pleased I took the plunge on going Mini-ITX for this build. Can fit 3 x 2.5inch AND 3 x 3.5inch disks in it, if I needed, but I have 3 SSDs in there curently, and still have the M.2 slot on the back of the motherboard for future expansion if required.

Well chuffed.

Wrong thread, omni, take it to P&C/D&D!

Bwahahahahahahah. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Stumpyia wrote:

So before I finalize my fan placement and secure everything down, what positioning would you all recommend for the intake/exhaust fans I currently have, and are additional fans recommended for sustained periods of use for this build? I'd rather not melt my new rig out of ignorance, since this has been a learning experience for me.

You got answers, and this is a week late, but I just wanted to chime in that I don't usually put exhaust fans on the top of a case. I like to seal the top, for two reasons: to reduce noise, and to keep dust from falling in. I prefer, overall, to have airtight-ish cases with defined airflow paths. I try to do intake from the bottom front, and exhaust at the top rear, although some cases are set up differently.

Now, if you've got one of those huge water coolers like the Corsair H100 series, then mounting it in the top is usually the only option. But the smaller ones, like the H60 you have, mount fine on the back of the case.

I'm going to be given a GTX 1070 card through work.

Any 1070 is going to be a massive upgrade, but I'm always concerned about heat and noise levels and fitting it into my micro ATX case.

Does anyone have opinions on:

Gigabyte GTX 1070 mini - reviews indicate it's quite loud.
Gigabyte GTX 1070 Windforce OC - I can't find much information about this one.
Asus GTX 1070 turbo - apparently this is very close to the reference design and others may be faster or quieter.

And possibly silly question - these are lower cost 1070s. Would I be better off with a "high end" 1060 or RX 480?

What case are you working with?

I'm a few generations off at this point, but I'm using a Windforce 780Ti in my ITX case. While it's the noisiest component in my machine, it's still very quiet.

Had to think about that one for a minute. Case is a Cooler Master Silencio 352, the website says it fits up to a 14" graphics card, so space is probably not an issue.

Redherring wrote:

Had to think about that one for a minute. Case is a Cooler Master Silencio 352, the website says it fits up to a 14" graphics card, so space is probably not an issue.

Yeah, space won't be an issue so stay away from the 1070 minis.

A card with a reference cooler will generally run hotter/louder than those like the Windforce that have custom coolers. The trade off is that the reference cooler will push the GPU heat out the back of the case. Custom coolers are generally much quieter, but you'll want to be sure you have good airflow through your case so you're not just taxing your CPU cooler and/or raising the temps on your CPU.

Got my Radeon RX 480 today as an upgrade for my HD5850 I bought way back in 2009. The Verge wasn't kidding when they said box art has changed. It's about as unassuming as you can get aside from the ridiculous "Armor Series" font.

This
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I dunno, that reminds me way too much of my parent's wood-paneled station wagon in the 80's

It's pretty, but that's an astonishing amount of money for a wooden case. You'll pay about double for one of those, compared to building it yourself from parts.

You could buy a saw, router, and the necessary wood, and probably still save money.

I didn't say it made sense!

Redherring wrote:

Had to think about that one for a minute. Case is a Cooler Master Silencio 352, the website says it fits up to a 14" graphics card, so space is probably not an issue.

I have this case. Full length 970 works fine in it, so I'm sure a 1070 will too. Temps stay pretty reasonable but you might want a card with a blower fan if you're overclocking your CPU.

Yeah the one tech YouTuber did a testing video comparing system temperatures in a small case with a blower cooled gpu vs a more normal custom one and the blower cooler made a solid difference for overall system temps in the smaller case he was using.

Also, IIRC, with some tweaking to the GPU fan curve he managed to get the GPU to run at the same temperature as the other video card with a lower overall noise level from the entire system.

Worth consideration.

I have an aftermarket cooler-style 1070 Gaming X in my mITX case, it's never gone above 71C with the fans at ~60%. Still really quiet/barely audible, and my air-cooled CPU has never been above 55C. As long as the case-cooling is good, the 'Open Air' style GPU should still be fine in a small case.

I do love the zero fan mode GPUs have these days.

JC wrote:

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The video card isn't plugged in. It's just laying in the case. Maybe there's a ribbon cable connector they left out for photo reasons? It *is* pretty though.

complexmath wrote:
JC wrote:

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The video card isn't plugged in. It's just laying in the case. Maybe there's a ribbon cable connector they left out for photo reasons? It *is* pretty though.

That seems to be the common logic. A pci-e extension cable would have hidden a lot of the other guts.

Probably that 3m PCI-e extender the A4 uses.

Thanks for all the comments. I'm going with the Windforce card - it's probably going to run cooler (or no worse) than my current R9 270. I'm not overclocking anything and the case has plenty of fans.

Malor wrote:

It's pretty, but that's an astonishing amount of money for a wooden case. You'll pay about double for one of those, compared to building it yourself from parts.

You could buy a saw, router, and the necessary wood, and probably still save money.

Yeah, especially since it is using all off-the-shelf parts with no customization.

That said, if they sold just the case I would be interested in it for my next build.

I'm willing to bet that some enterprising woodworker is going to do just that at some point in the near future. I wish my carpenter friend hadn't moved or I'd recruit him..

My new 6400 didn't work in my motherboard, so I've got a new one, but noticed that the 1151 socket pins are bent. I've ordered a jeweller's loupe and some tweezers - I'm going to try and straighten them. Has anyone else managed this? There's also a trick with a propelling pencil with no lead in.

DudleySmith wrote:

My new 6400 didn't work in my motherboard, so I've got a new one, but noticed that the 1151 socket pins are bent. I've ordered a jeweller's loupe and some tweezers - I'm going to try and straighten them. Has anyone else managed this? There's also a trick with a propelling pencil with no lead in.

you purchased it new and it came with bent pins? Return that, don't mess with it and break a pin. Then you're stuck

Oh, I'm already stuck: I bought it 6 months ago, and fit a CPU and h55 to it before seeing the cpu failure light. It's very possible that I bent the pins. They won't take it back now. I don't normally buy the motherboard first for this reason, but there was a great bundle offer and I decided to grab it and take the risk.

I have the choice of fixing it or buying a new mobo.

Ah ok. I've used the pen tip trick before but it was on an older CPU with a lot less pins.

I think you can manage it, just go slow and very gently.

I'm getting really tired of having 3 separate SSDs as drives and deleting games to fit other games. I'm planning on a raid 0 SSDs like some of you power players have. Is it worth it? Would you place the OS in the raid 0 or a separate SSD?

If you setup an array and lose a drive, you lose it all.

What you're looking to do isn't really worth the hassle. I'd just go for a larger SSD and replace your smallest one.

You could try spanning via windows 10. Again though, you're introducing complexity to the system and that typically means bad things if something goes wrong.

http://www.windowscentral.com/how-cr...

Regardless of if you do raid or spanning you'll have to reformat everything.

JC wrote:

If you setup an array and lose a drive, you lose it all.

What you're looking to do isn't really worth the hassle. I'd just go for a larger SSD and replace your smallest one.

You could try spanning via windows 10. Again though, you're introducing complexity to the system and that typically means bad things if something goes wrong.

http://www.windowscentral.com/how-cr...

Regardless of if you do raid or spanning you'll have to reformat everything.

Yeah, I was going to recommend spanning, too. Seems the easiest option, although I haven't looked into what happens if you lose a drive. In old Windows Home Server setups, files could still be read from the drives the data was stored on if it happened to not be on the drive that failed. Don't know if Windows 10 works similarly or not.

Microsoft confirms Game Mode coming in Windows 10 Creators Update

Not much detail on what this will do, though, other than to "optimize the gaming experience".