HBO's Game of Thrones—Shame. Shame. Shame.—NO SPOILERS

I started the books yesterday on my iPad, I am going to attempt to outrun the show, so far I really really enjoy the writing style, and it does make all the characters feel much deeper. How I never heard of these I don't know.

Happytime Harry wrote:

I started the books yesterday on my iPad, I am going to attempt to outrun the show, so far I really really enjoy the writing style, and it does make all the characters feel much deeper. How I never heard of these I don't know.

Spoiler!

Atras wrote:

It is enlightening to see what the reactions are by people who are unfamiliar with the source material when a situation that those of us who have read the books comes up. For example:

Does Dany's character growth show up well to those of you who didn't read the book?

I read the book, so I know how fast she grows up due to her position with the Dothraki. I think they are doing a good job in the show, but I wonder if it seems unrealistic on screen. I can come here and see that Mrs. DSGamer really likes the character growth, despite not being able to literally read the character's thoughts.

Atras wrote:

I look over what people have written, and there really is not anything I would even consider a spoiler. You could think that Rickon's lack of importance is a spoiler, but he is 4 years younger in the book, and I don't think you should be shocked at even a 6 year old would be that important to a story as epic as this.

You just posted a spoiler. Perhaps Dany was going to end up simply being a stepping-stone for her brother and get killed by episode 8. Now I know that she's important and that her character growth will be something I want to keep my eye on throughout the whole series. Maybe there was a chance she left the Dothraki somehow. Now I know that's not happening.

tuffalobuffalo wrote:

I think you should book spoiler tag that stuff Atras. There are some actual spoilers there that will piss DSGamer and the like off. I am actually serious.

he didnt spoil anything

I think you should book spoiler tag that stuff Atras. There are some actual spoilers there that will piss DSGamer and the like off. I am actually serious.

Edit: huge book 1 spoilers

Spoiler:

To further clarify, much of what you mentioned can allow one to deduce that Dani won't be dying anytime soon. In the book, so many people die unexpectedly, knowing which characters last awhile is a huge spoiler.

DSGamer wrote:
Atras wrote:

It is enlightening to see what the reactions are by people who are unfamiliar with the source material when a situation that those of us who have read the books comes up. For example:

Does Dany's character growth show up well to those of you who didn't read the book?

I read the book, so I know how fast she grows up due to her position with the Dothraki. I think they are doing a good job in the show, but I wonder if it seems unrealistic on screen. I can come here and see that Mrs. DSGamer really likes the character growth, despite not being able to literally read the character's thoughts.

Atras wrote:

I look over what people have written, and there really is not anything I would even consider a spoiler. You could think that Rickon's lack of importance is a spoiler, but he is 4 years younger in the book, and I don't think you should be shocked at even a 6 year old would be that important to a story as epic as this.

You just posted a spoiler. Perhaps Dany was going to end up simply being a stepping-stone for her brother and get killed by episode 8. Now I know that she's important and that her character growth will be something I want to keep my eye on throughout the whole series. Maybe there was a chance she left the Dothraki somehow. Now I know that's not happening.

How do you go from someone asking if you think a character is growing up too fast (or character growth in general) is important to a story or not? You cant or in my mind shouldnt make that leap. She may die in the next episode and you have no way of knowing that from that post.

Seriously is this a thread to talk about the show or just nit pick about others posts?

Don't make expectations out of what people say, DSGamer. The only thing you should know is to expect the unexpected. Spoiler! But, I do agree with you and tbuffalo, that wasn't very nice of you, Atras!

Gaald wrote:

For those of you who have read the books, and insist on comparing the two, why are you even posting in this thread?

It could be (and is, in my case) that we really like the source material, and are enjoying it in a new medium. It is enlightening to see what the reactions are by people who are unfamiliar with the source material when a situation that those of us who have read the books comes up. For example:

Does Dany's character growth show up well to those of you who didn't read the book?

Spoiler:

I read the book, so I know how fast she grows up due to her position with the Dothraki. I think they are doing a good job in the show, but I wonder if it seems unrealistic on screen. I can come here and see that Mrs. DSGamer really likes the character growth, despite not being able to literally read the character's thoughts.

I look over what people have written, and there really is not anything I would even consider a spoiler. **EDIT** But apparently I am wrong **EDIT** You could think that Rickon's lack of importance is a spoiler, but he is 4 years younger in the book, and I don't think you should be shocked at even a 6 year old would be that important to a story as epic as this.

DSGamer wrote:

You just posted a spoiler.

OK, I get it. Sorry for ruining the show. Let me know if you want me to delete my whole post, or just spoiler block more in a PM.

Guys, just make this the TV show thread and don't talk about the books. Simple. We've got a whole other thread for the books and the universe in general.

I think we are too busy creating imaginary Westerosi sex acts in the spoiler thread to devote any time to substantive discussion of the books there.

EriktheRed wrote:

I think we are too busy creating imaginary Westerosi sex acts in the spoiler thread to devote any time to substantive discussion of the books there.

lol there's that and some havent finished all the books yet.

EriktheRed wrote:

I think we are too busy creating imaginary Westerosi sex acts in the spoiler thread to devote any time to substantive discussion of the books there.

Then I definitely know to stay away from that thread.

Oh FFS, people, just use spoiler tags from now on when contrasting what's happened on the show with vs happened in the books. K?

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Quintin_Stone wrote:

Oh FFS, people, just use spoiler tags from now on when contrasting what's happened on the show with what happened in the books. K?

I changed my mind. Let's keep this discussion going for a few more pages at least. It'll give me something to do until Sunday.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Oh FFS, people, just use spoiler tags from now on when contrasting what's happened on the show with vs happened in the books. K?

That's what I said!

What Quintin said. I recommend liberal use of spoiler tags in this thread just to keep everyone happy.

Also, thread title changed.

Example from this thread of what should be okay and what should be spoiler tagged:

http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/1...

I think it's served me well in this case as I'm viewing it purely as a TV show.

As far as I'm concerned, you are absolutely right. As I'm watching each episode I find myself thinking I would love nearly every minute if I hadn't read the books. I'm typically not picky about adaptations (very little bothered me about Lord of the Rings, for example), but with this one I can't hold back the nit-picks and just enjoy the show. It really is like jdzappa said

But I can't shake the feeling that GoT is the slacking B+ student who should be class valedictorian.

although I'd go as far as to say the show is an A- student, but the source material is just so goddamn good that anything less than A+ is hard to accept.

Spoiler:

For instance, the initial chapters of Dany's story (the part you're currently seeing, and I promise I will only talk in terms of what has transpired so far) are written with a subtlety and nuance that is flat out missing from the show. Her relationship with Khal Drogo and the Dothraki people is immensely, richly complicated. They are both a prison and a freedom that she has never known. They are one more terrible thing that has happened in a terrible life, but also a chance to finally shape her life into what she wants it to be -- hell, they are her first chance to even contemplate what she wants from life rather than being blindly ordered around by her brother. They are foreign and frightening and brutal and savage but also direct and honest and noble and loving in a way that the "civilized" society that sold her to them never was. Her situation is all at once the most heartbreaking and the most hopeful thing in a world full of heartbreaking and hopeful things, and by this point in her story she was already the most relatable character in the book (and my favorite, for that matter), and I don't think anyone would say that at this point in the TV show. I will allow that the actors in her story definitely show the promise of being able to eventually deliver, but so far they haven't had the room to do so (understandably so, given everything else that needs to be packed into each episode).

But anyway, the point stands that none of this would matter if I didn't know the source material. It would just be an well written, well produced, mostly well acted show that was just beginning to show the promise of an amazing story populated with interesting, relatable, realistic characters.

However, at least at this point if someone asked me whether they should read the books before watching the show, I would unequivocally say yes. You only get to form your initial impression of the characters once, you only get to have your expectations for them met and broken unexpectedly once, and you only get one chance to experience the gut wrenching impact of George Martin's masterful plot twists one time. As good as the show may be, the books are so damn amazing that I think if possible the story is best experienced in "long form" first. Yes, you will then watch the show with a sense of minor letdown coloring the experience as I and many others now are, but I'll wager most people will find it worth the cost.

Might I suggest the following for your opening post, Ken?

1. Please do not post anything about the story beyond what has aired at all, in spoiler tags or not.

2. If you would like to make comments informed by or in reference to the books regarding content that has aired, please enclose it in a spoiler tag.

3. If you wish to discuss anything about the story beyond what has aired in any way, shape, or form, do so in the full spoiler thread, but beware that unmarked spoilers regarding all published books will be present.

By doing so, folks who want to discuss the show without any outside influence can simply ignore spoiler content, while folks who have read part of the novels or who are curious about context that the books can provide about what they have seen can do so via spoiler tags in this thread without the risk of significantly spoiling what is to come later in the show or the books, a risk which is incredibly present in the full spoiler thread.

I would suggest another thread, to discuss how many threads we need. The results of that discussion can then be passed into a fourth thread, for a vote.

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I can see DSGamer's point. It's always very easy to extrapolate meaning from what people say, even when they're being careful. It's possible to dissect an entire plotline or film from a single, off-hand comment (depending on the quality of the material).

However, as someone who read the first two books last week just to avoid spoilers regarding the TV series, I'm not entirely sure what else to say about the series other than what I said in my earlier post.

I vote we make an additional thread where those of us who haven't read the books post fake spoilers about the series as if they were true.

4xis.black wrote:

I vote we make an additional thread where those of us who haven't read the books post fake spoilers about the series as if they were true.

Tyrion. Gregor. Piggyback ride.

No lie.

Thin_J wrote:
4xis.black wrote:

I vote we make an additional thread where those of us who haven't read the books post fake spoilers about the series as if they were true.

Tyrion. Gregor. Piggyback ride.

No lie.

Spoiler:

I forget. Does that happen before or after Cersei takes Bran to Disneyland?

I believe its right after the Night's Watch and the faceless men finish their big chorus line routine.

Thin_J wrote:
4xis.black wrote:

I vote we make an additional thread where those of us who haven't read the books post fake spoilers about the series as if they were true.

Tyrion. Gregor. Piggyback ride.

No lie.

HOO-DOR!

Is this after Robert becomes a pitchman for Slimfast?

Tanglebones wrote:

Is this after Robert becomes a pitchman for Slimfast?

Actually, I think it was just after they did that profile piece on Cersei in Parenting magazine.

Breander sat me down over the weekend to watch this show. Boy am I hooked now. Plus new books to add to my summer list is wonderful.

MannishBoy wrote:
Thin_J wrote:
4xis.black wrote:

I vote we make an additional thread where those of us who haven't read the books post fake spoilers about the series as if they were true.

Tyrion. Gregor. Piggyback ride.

No lie.

HOO-DOR!