Game of Thrones—NO SPOILERS—The Balls

"*Legion* wrote:

This show has me thinking about this scene a lot lately:

That right there is one of my favorite scenes in all of moviedom. Roger Rabbit's stern look totally sells the gag.

24 hours later, and the title of the thread is still "The Balls." I just want that saved for posterity.

Thinking about it some more today, I thought maybe I should find a dumpster fire hero image, but I guess I'll leave it as is.

I predict we will see a dragon fart and fire will come out in the final episode. This is why people don't stand behind dragons.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

Dany's family also has a history of going insane. I feel they foreshadowed this from season one at least as a possibility. In a song of ice and fire she is now the fire and jon the ice.

Or is it just Jon? (Rhaegar = Fire; Lyanna = Ice)

Nevin73 wrote:

I think Varys laid the groundwork for the word to get out about Jon before his death, hence all of the note writing they showed him doing.

If the showrunners haven't forgotten about Dorne, maybe they'll support Aegon. Dany might fight back, but that hasn't worked well for her ancestors.

cheeze_pavilion wrote:

Book spoilers:

Spoiler:

I have been wondering--did Jon burn in the TV show too, or only in the book?

I also don't think the books are up to that part where Dany lets all the dudes burn around her, which means so far, she's only gone 'unburnt' once in the books.

Happened in both.

Yeap, the books haven't reached that part yet, if it'll even exist.

One little minor thing I liked. Dany is wearing a clasp shaped liked a dragon. Looks pretty cool. And something I heard about but didn't notice was Jamie had a human hand instead of gold before he died. I'm not sure if it is true but will be watching for it on my rewatch.

I also disagree with people saying the show is rushing by. They just want the show to dragon.

Listening to the Cast of Kings podcast, I was reminded of something that made me really confused, but then forgot amidst the genocide.

Jaime said to Tyrion he didn't care about the people of King's Landing. I mean... Do you even kingslay?

Dany and her cohort have had some really cool dragon jewelry over the past few episodes, from the circular 3 dragon oroborous to the 3 headed cerberus style one.

I made the mistake of trying to find images. Everyone just wants you to buy their terrible knock-offs.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

I also disagree with people saying the show is rushing by.

There's part of me that thinks that the show is actually being really true to its initial impulses of upending Aristotelian narrative form. The books/show start out by setting up traditional protagonists (such as Ned and Robb) to fail / die at surprising moments - with no divine intervention or destiny to bail them out. The initial resistance and deconstruction of certain tropes (prophecy, chosen ones, etc.) contributes a lot to what people found compelling about the series.

There was a time, starting shortly after they ran out of source material, that it very much seemed like they were returning to more classic structures (Jon being rezzed and becoming a chosen one type, the return of plot armor, etc.) I think there's a case to be made that a lot of the plotting this season - especially at its most rushed - is also serving to undercut and deconstruct tropes.

Spoiler:

If I was in still in college, I'd probably end up writing a paper on the parallels between Truman and Dany / America's use of nukes in WWII.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

I also disagree with people saying the show is rushing by. They just want the show to dragon.

You're on fire.

TheHarpoMarxist wrote:

Quite a charitable riposte to a bad pun setup

and bad above is an unnecessary qualifier in my book.

One more day and its all over. What do we say to the god of sex. All day, every day. Wait is that how it goes? Oh well close enough.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

What do we say to the god of sex

"Just one really good one per week. I'm tired and I've got sh*t to do."

Ending was decent. Somewhat predictable. My biggest disappointment is never knowing what the deal was with half zombie Uncle Benjen.

PoderOmega wrote:

Ending was decent. Somewhat predictable. My biggest disappointment is never knowing what the deal was with half zombie Uncle Benjen.

That’s the biggest disappointment? Not by a long shot. This was Hamlet if only Ophelia died. It kind of lurched to a happy ending that l, given everything that has happened, didn’t really feel deserved... and Sansa going a little Cersi at the end? Really? A Stark is literally on the ‘Iron Throne’ of representative democracy. Stupid. I hate movies that espouse some sort of Mel Gibson philosophy about f*cking freedom! and demand our honest review.

BlackSheep wrote:

Sansa going a little Cersi at the end? Really? A Stark is literally on the ‘Iron Throne’ of representative democracy. Stupid.

I question though if it is Sansa or the north that is making this decision. Sansa tells Bran that the north has given to much and will be an independent state. But is that her pride speaking or is she seriously saying what everyone in the north wants. In the end they were all shouting "Queen of the north" so I suspect it isn't just Sansa.

I thought it was pretty clear that the north wanted a stark running everything or running the just the north. Since a stark is king why would the north be upset with that? I have to go with Sansa was just taking power for herself.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

I thought it was pretty clear that the north wanted a stark running everything or running the just the north. Since a stark is king why would the north be upset with that? I have to go with Sansa was just taking power for herself.

Under the new system a Stark would only be in charge for however long Bran (the a Broken) lives.

Eager for the Arya the Adventurer spinoff.

After watching the show's finale, I confirm that the last two seasons were only as bad as they were rushed.

Dealing with the White Walkers, Cersei and Danny's fall into madness deserved a season each, not three rushed episodes.

I liked this article. Explains my bitter sweet taste of the last episode. I agree with the uncharacteristically happy note the show ends on, but I liked how they open the scope and discuss about the world and not a very short list of characters.

The northern lords have only been shouting "King in the North!" at people since the end of season 1, so chalk that up to the rush job toward the end.

Kigindanorf! Kigindanorf!

Kickin da nords! Kickin da nords!

*Legion* wrote:
Baron Of Hell wrote:

What do we say to the god of sex

"Just one really good one per month. I'm tired and I've got sh*t to do."

FTFY - but at least I’m not in the Night’s Watch

Overall I liked the final episode more than other ones this season, especially the bittersweet final scenes. I was secretly hoping for either Dany to win or there to be a popular uprising but oh well. My biggest complaints is that all of what happened could have made sense if they had taken the time to explore it. Also, I recognize there are some valid criticisms on how the show dealt with sex and race but that’s probably worth saving for DND.

Here’s hoping GRRM finally finishes his books so we can see how he handles the final plot twist.

I read this article today. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...

I think it does a good job of summarizing how the series changed since the show outstripped the books and what I've felt missing since then.

Hopefully Martin can finish the story in his style before he kicks the bucket. Clearly just knowing the outcome isn't enough for just anybody to finish it well.

peanut3141 wrote:

I read this article today. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...

I think it does a good job of summarizing how the series changed since the show outstripped the books and what I've felt missing since then.

Hopefully Martin can finish the story in his style before he kicks the bucket. Clearly just knowing the outcome isn't enough for just anybody to finish it well.

That is spot on. And it makes me despise d&d even more for their ego driven mess they made it by the end as opposed to trying to figure out what worked and just let it.. work.

I think another thing to keep in mind is that I don’t know honestly if Martin has a plot point he’s already decided to end on. D&D most certainly did. I can guarantee you that they sat down with their writers and structured out their final seasons and then just shoehorned everything in so that it would fit - characters be damned. It got awfully sloppy at the end and it’s really the fascinating reason everyone is upset. We’re trying to justify this in so many ways, but we’re not being honest - what brought us to GOT was the social driven stories that meandered and wandered and the chess matches we got to see all over between all sorts of people - Littlefinger and Varys, Rob vs Tywin, Cersi vs everyone, Tyrion against Everyone - I mean the list just rolls for each person. And it was amazing. By the end, the writing was subpar and sloppy and worse than most Conan-sequel 80s B-movies but this had a real budget.

So really, those guys are great ‘technicians’ and ‘adapters’ but with original content? Please give it back to someone else - control, that is.