Game of Thrones—NO SPOILERS—The Balls

Quintin_Stone wrote:

CGI eye color is easier and cheaper than, say, using CGI to remove a starbucks cup.

ftfy

Oh. My. God.

I was not serious about the contact lenses thing. Emilia Clarke is a fine actress, and from what I can tell from interviews and her work off-camera, a fine person.

My statement was intended to poke fun at overly purist fans. Hell, I said "pushes up glasses" - wasn't that enough of a clue?.

This forum needs emoji support, stat. Emoticons are so 1990s. And that is not sarcasm.

BadKen wrote:

Oh. My. God.

I was not serious about the contact lenses thing. Emilia Clarke is a fine actress, and from what I can tell from interviews and her work off-camera, a fine person.

My statement was intended to poke fun at overly purist fans. Hell, I said "pushes up glasses" - wasn't that enough of a clue?.

This forum needs emoji support, stat. Emoticons are so 1990s. And that is not sarcasm.

Sorry, man. There's no going back to a pre-Poe's Law world.

kazar wrote:
Eleima wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:

Eye color can be done with CGI too.

With mixed results, as we saw in the Dune miniseries.

Also, what Clocky said.
Even though I love my contacts and have been wearing mine since I was 16.

They do it pretty well in Supernatural.

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Like I said. In the Dune miniseries:
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Wait everyone's eye's are not that blue?

Turn around bright eyes!

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"Every now and then I get a little bit terrified and then I see the look in your eyes"

Note I showed the Supernatural example to show that just because one movie sucked at it doesn't mean it can't be done well.

Not a movie, a mini series. So great, one example in favor and one not, that gets us exactly nowhere. It’s all hypotheticals and wild speculation.

Not sure where the hypothetical and wild speculation comes in, given there are facts that it can be done well. I don't even care if they did it or not, but some people do (this conversation is proof of that) and the argument that CGI eyes don't look good since one "miniseries" didn't do it well two decades ago doesn't really hold water. My example is from this year. Not hypothetical.

Is it even CGI? Couldn't it be part of colour correction, which happens on every episode's post-production?

Um...

Yarp.

I'm so up and down on this show.

So no more super accurate dragon weapons.

The green flame was wild fire under the city right. Why didn't the entire city break out in wild fire? Kind of odd to show wild fire and not have it go wild.

So Jamie really did go off to be with Cersi and not to kill her. SAD. No being killed by the younger brother. Seems like you can trust a witch now a days.

Good job stopping the rape Jon. Not sure what he is going to do about all the other rapes since half his army are dudes that live by rape. One more episode left so probably wont deal with that.

Dany killed much of her own people. Will she get any blow back? From Jon for sure. I can't see her surviving but maybe she will.

The mountain and the hound ends in fire. I thought the hound would live or at least one of them would survive.

Why was Davos on the front lines?

I liked Dany going mad.

Did not like the jamie vs pirate fight. Jamie was walking pretty good after getting stabbed pretty badly.

Other than the theme of the season of everything being rushed I was overall pretty happy with the episode. The rushed thing I think I just have come to terms with.

Not sure why everyone is so angry/surprised with Dany turning bad it's been pretty well foreshadowed for years in my opinion. Yes the final change happened a bit fast but everything this season has happened a bit fast.

Mountain/Hound was a good ending
Aria/Hound was a well done goodbye. Really flashes back to them on the wall of winterfell.
John is John. Trying to be moral but surrounded by immoral people. Yet still surprised.
Varys ended how it had to end.
Loved Tyrion/Jamie scene.

Was not angry but also not happy with
Jamie/Euron fight -seemed pointless and Jamie still able to do so much with giant stab wound through most of his gut ?!?!
Jamie/Cerci ending - Was "fine". Not mad about Jamie turn around because honestly i think it's a good portrayal of so many addicts in the world that try to fight their addiction and make progress just to fall back in.

escher77 wrote:

Not sure why everyone is so angry/surprised with Dany turning bad it's been pretty well foreshadowed for years in my opinion. Yes the final change happened a bit fast but everything this season has happened a bit fast.

It's not just that her plunge into madness happened fast, it's that the circumstances of it are nonsensical.

As I said in the other thread, even insane tyrants' actions have self-centered logic of their own. The Mad King wanted to burn the city down when he lost the war because he didn't want his enemies to have the city if he couldn't have it. Dany burned down the city when she had WON the war, because... she didn't want herself to have it?

The BTS explanation that it's somehow looking at the Red Keep that caused her to snap is as good as them just throwing up their hands.

A Better Way Game Of Thrones Could Have Arrived At This Same Point

I thought the episode started well but quickly became just as sh*t as the two before it. Very few good parts, mostly horrible writing. The epitaph of this show will be that, when they ran out of books, they were lost.

I hate seeing epic adaptations end poorly because they're unlikely to be readapted and improved upon later. Not for decades, at least. I also hated the final Harry Potter film, for example.

Middcore wrote:
escher77 wrote:

Not sure why everyone is so angry/surprised with Dany turning bad it's been pretty well foreshadowed for years in my opinion. Yes the final change happened a bit fast but everything this season has happened a bit fast.

It's not just that her plunge into madness happened fast, it's that the circumstances of it are nonsensical.

As I said in the other thread, even insane tyrants' actions have self-centered logic of their own. The Mad King wanted to burn the city down when he lost the war because he didn't want his enemies to have the city if he couldn't have it. Dany burned down the city when she had WON the war, because... she didn't want herself to have it?

The BTS explanation that it's somehow looking at the Red Keep that caused her to snap is as good as them just throwing up their hands.

A Better Way Game Of Thrones Could Have Arrived At This Same Point

I've stopped reading looking at the other thread because quite frankly like a lot of GWJ it has derived down to a bunch of people whining that would not be happy no matter what happened. This thread has at least been a bit more reasonable.

Those people saying everything happened when she looked at the red keep seemed to of missed the point when 1. She was locked away not eating for days showing that she already was pretty messed up. 2. Her conversation with john when she stated "Fear it is then". 3. The fact that anyone that sided against her pretty much ever burned. Yes I agree she is more mad than the mad king. However, that doesn't' mean it came out of no where. 4. Tells Varys to tell her when she is gone to far. He tells her. She does nothing different then burns him alive for doing what he always said he would.

Nope I think people that think this wasn't coming or hinted are pretty nonsensical.

Those people saying everything happened when she looked at the red keep

Nah, that's just because that's literally what the writers said the reason was.

I think the foundation was fine, they just spectacularly failed the landing.

escher77 wrote:
Middcore wrote:
escher77 wrote:

Not sure why everyone is so angry/surprised with Dany turning bad it's been pretty well foreshadowed for years in my opinion. Yes the final change happened a bit fast but everything this season has happened a bit fast.

It's not just that her plunge into madness happened fast, it's that the circumstances of it are nonsensical.

As I said in the other thread, even insane tyrants' actions have self-centered logic of their own. The Mad King wanted to burn the city down when he lost the war because he didn't want his enemies to have the city if he couldn't have it. Dany burned down the city when she had WON the war, because... she didn't want herself to have it?

The BTS explanation that it's somehow looking at the Red Keep that caused her to snap is as good as them just throwing up their hands.

A Better Way Game Of Thrones Could Have Arrived At This Same Point

I've stopped reading looking at the other thread because quite frankly like a lot of GWJ it has derived down to a bunch of people whining that would not be happy no matter what happened.

Those people saying everything happened when she looked at the red keep seemed to of missed the point when 1. She was locked away not eating for days showing that she already was pretty messed up. 2. Her conversation with john when she stated "Fear it is then". 3. The fact that anyone that sided against her pretty much ever burned. Yes I agree she is more mad than the mad king. However, that doesn't' mean it came out of no where. 4. Tells Varys to tell her when she is gone to far. He tells her. She does nothing different then burns him alive for doing what he always said he would.

Nope I think people that think this wasn't coming or hinted are pretty nonsensical.

We didn't say it happened when she looked at the Red Keep. The showrunners did, in the BTS segment after the episode. Lightly paraphrasing because I'm at work and can't conveniently go watch it now, they said
"It was that moment looking at the Red Keep where it became personal for her" (whatever that means). You're trying to give them credit for logic they didn't even try to claim they'd established themselves.

And re: her comments about ruling by fear and burning anyone who opposed her - yes, that would be fine reasoning for her actions, if the civilians of King's Landing were opposing her. But she decided to burn them all when they weren't opposing her, in fact when there was nobody LEFT opposing her at all.

Look at my posts in this or the other thread this season and you'll see I was rooting for Dany to go Mad Queen as part of the ending and was pleased when they started setting it up. You'll also see I seriously doubted they could get the execution right with the time they had left and the slapdash quality of writing the show had sunk to.

Gremlin wrote:
Those people saying everything happened when she looked at the red keep

Nah, that's just because that's literally what the writers said the reason was.

I think the foundation was fine, they just spectacularly failed the landing.

1. Yeah i stopped watching the post stuff because most of their reasonings are dumb and they leave out huge things that happen.

2. I don't disagree but again I think that's because they had 5 min to do it because of the rush schedule. This battle only had 2/3 of an episode (shorter than winterfell episode) and probably more to do than that episode. That is the stuff I just have accepted as I said.

Dany's family also has a history of going insane. I feel they foreshadowed this from season one at least as a possibility. In a song of ice and fire she is now the fire and jon the ice.

Middcore wrote:

We didn't say it happened when she looked at the Red Keep. The showrunners did, in the BTS segment after the episode. Lightly paraphrasing because I'm at work and can't conveniently go watch it now, they said
"It was that moment looking at the Red Keep where it became personal for her" (whatever that means). You're trying to give them credit for logic they didn't even try to claim they'd established themselves.

And re: her comments about ruling by fear and burning anyone who opposed her - yes, that would be fine reasoning for her actions, if the civilians of King's Landing were opposing her. But she decided to burn them all when they weren't opposing her, in fact when there was nobody LEFT opposing her at all.

So when they give a reason of the moment that it really hit home in their 45 second section to talk about something that has been building for 10 years. Just like all the ones I did watch pretty sure they just bring up one point or two when this one has 10+ through the years.

Sparing an entire army/people that stood up to her shows compassion and good ruling. It however does not install any fear. It instead would show people that they can go against her but then repent and as long as they didn't lead they are fine.

escher77 wrote:

It's not just that her plunge into madness happened fast, it's that the circumstances of it are nonsensical.

Yeah I just started the other thread, seeing there was more action there and knowing I can't get book spoilers anymore. But damn the whining over there the last 4 weeks. Wow.

Edited to add quote since a bunch of new posts appeared in between.

I think Varys laid the groundwork for the word to get out about Jon before his death, hence all of the note writing they showed him doing.

Nevin73 wrote:

I think Varys laid the groundwork for the word to get out about Jon before his death, hence all of the note writing they showed him doing.

Yeah that's clearly what he was doing. Although I'm not sure who exactly he would be writing to who he thinks would act on the knowledge.

I mean, maybe they just believe it because it's coming from Varys ("my little birds told me" was basically considered as holy writ in Tyrion's trial IIRC), but would they care enough to do anything about it as long as Dany is the mother-of-at-least-one-dragon?

escher77 wrote:

Those people saying everything happened when she looked at the red keep seemed to of missed the point when 1. She was locked away not eating for days showing that she already was pretty messed up. 2. Her conversation with john when she stated "Fear it is then". 3. The fact that anyone that sided against her pretty much ever burned. Yes I agree she is more mad than the mad king. However, that doesn't' mean it came out of no where. 4. Tells Varys to tell her when she is gone to far. He tells her. She does nothing different then burns him alive for doing what he always said he would.

Nope I think people that think this wasn't coming or hinted are pretty nonsensical.

Yeah, this is about where I landed. Taking over the city peacefully is not victory to Dany. Varys had already leaked Jon's claim to the throne, so a peaceful victory means it's only a matter of time before the people's love for Jon conquers Dany's comparatively flimsy claim to the throne.

Dany had been dead set on burning the city to the ground before they arrived. The ringing bells didn't suddenly flip some switch in her head and cause her to go mad. She didn't want those bells to ring at all. The bells provided her with a "victory" condition she did not want and never intended to take. That 15 second stare up to the Red Keep was Dany weighing her options: a) take a merciful victory that might lead to her ultimately being overthrown, or b) ignore the bells and double down on ruling through fear with a display of power and mercilessness that leaves no room for dissenters.

I think there is still a chance of that little girl poisoning Dany.

Think she tries to kill Jon?

polypusher wrote:

Think she tries to kill Jon?

Dany tries to burn Jon for betraying her, but - surprise! - He doesn't burn since he's a Targaryen. He walks out of the flames naked except for Longclaw and does the stabbity stab.

That would be a nice twist, so it won't happen.

But Jon can burn. He burned his hand when he defended Mormant against that first wight he killed in Season 1.