Climate Change Is Already Here, Says Massive Government Report

This whole debate is silly. There is an extremely easy way to deal with this. Just legislate it away. The sea level isn't rising if the law says it isn't.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/03/us-usa-northcarolina-idUSBRE86217I20120703

Spoiler:

I realize the article is a couple years old, but it fits so perfectly with this 'debate'.

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Oh, FFS. Lots of threads this crap can go in.

Apparently workers for the Florida Department of Environmental Protection have been banned from using the terms, "climate change", "global warming", and "sustainability" in all emails, reports and official communications. Even "sea level rise" was banned until recently. This all coincides with the election of Republican Governor Rick Scott in 2011 and is thought to come from the governor's office, but of course they deny it.

I guess if no one mentions it, they can pretend it doesn't exist. At this point I'm having a hard time believing I ever identified myself as a republican.

"True facts" as opposed to facts that aren't true?

Man, this article really pisses me off. Usually when I'm hungover it is hard to muster anger.

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Can we start calling it "water-up-up".

I'm a little torn on this. On the one hand a failure to prepare will only lead to Florida getting smaller than what otherwise may have happened, and that actually sounds like a positive! On the other hand when the state shrinks Florida Man may move elsewhere!

The larger problem will be that the Tea Party residents of Florida will immediately go crying to the Federal government for disaster assistance the moment the first palm tree falls.

We as Federal taxpayers will of course foot the bill for the unprepared states.

Yonder wrote:

Can we start calling it "water-up-up".

I'm a little torn on this. On the one hand a failure to prepare will only lead to Florida getting smaller than what otherwise may have happened, and that actually sounds like a positive! On the other hand when the state shrinks Florida Man may move elsewhere!

And argument for taking action if I ever heard one.
"Sure, it might cost money now, but if we don't do something to limit the effects, Florida Man may move to your state!"

And it will disproportionately affect the poor and marginalized communities, which there are many in Florida like all the drug war refugees, political asylum seekers, earthquake refugees from Haiti, etc.

But won't all the *rich* refugees who've built their lives here through the beneficence of others help them out? I mean, they have an entire political machine down there keeping a whole *island* in poverty, they are surely... powerful enou...

Oh.

gewy wrote:

Oh, FFS. Lots of threads this crap can go in.

Apparently workers for the Florida Department of Environmental Protection have been banned from using the terms, "climate change", "global warming", and "sustainability" in all emails, reports and official communications. Even "sea level rise" was banned until recently. This all coincides with the election of Republican Governor Rick Scott in 2011 and is thought to come from the governor's office, but of course they deny it.

I guess if no one mentions it, they can pretend it doesn't exist. At this point I'm having a hard time believing I ever identified myself as a republican.

And the new thoughtcrime policy claims its first victim.

Barton Bibler, a longtime Land Management Planning Coordinator for the FDEP, was officially reprimanded by his superior and suspended from work for two days for daring to talk about climate change and sea-level rise during a Florida Coastal Managers Forum late last month.

Bibler's superior repeatedly tried to get him to scrub any mention of the forbidden topics from his official notes from the meeting, something he refused to do. He was then officially reprimanded for insubordination and unprofessionalism.

Much more ominously, however, Bibler's two day suspension has turned into a bit of an open ended suspension. That's because a few few days after Bibler was reprimanded, the agency sent him another letter requiring him to return a form filled out by a doctor that verifies he's medically fit to return to work. FDEP's excuse for this unusual requirement is "information [the FDEP] have received regarding [Mr. Bibler’s] medical condition and behavior," though the letter doesn't reveal who provided the information or what particular medical condition the agency thinks Bibler is suffering from.

In short, they're strongly implying that Bibler is mentally unfit for his job because he talked about climate change to a group of people whose job it is to plan for things that will impact Florida's coast, like climate change.

Making the rising of the sea level a matter of political belief is so Dark Ages. It's mind boggling to me that we're at the most advance point in our civilization with more information available to us than ever before and some people can't be convinced that the water is rising, ice is melting and temperatures are changing. All things which are easily verified by non-partisan, non-sentient equipment such as rulers and thermometers.

The business model of the Republican politician really seems to be one of "failing upward" (otherwise known as the WorldCom Model) in which you do a crap job in whatever role you are in, rely on ideology and momentum to get you to the next level, and leave the previous office before everything falls to crap. Scott Walker, Bobby Jindal, and Jeb Bush all appear to be trying to surf the front of that wave. Sam Brownback appears to have let it faceplant him into the reef.

Paleocon wrote:

The business model of the Republican politician really seems to be one of "failing upward" (otherwise known as the WorldCom Model) in which you do a crap job in whatever role you are in, rely on ideology and momentum to get you to the next level, and leave the previous office before everything falls to crap. Scott Walker, Bobby Jindal, and Jeb Bush all appear to be trying to surf the front of that wave. Sam Brownback appears to have let it faceplant him into the reef.

This might explain their position on global warming, if the sea level rises, they can surf right over it... or it's corpse when the rising temperatures of the water totally kill that fragile ecosystem. Either or.

I suppose the conservative media are all up in arms about this government censorship / PC police?

*crickets chirp*

dejanzie wrote:

I suppose the conservative media are all up in arms about this silencing of a liar and spreader of liberal propaganda.
*crickets chirp*

Fixed.

I'd put this in the random non sequitur thread, but I'll keep the P&C in P&C.

Hey, random guy in the gym, just because we've had a cold winter doesn't mean that "global warming" is a crock. And why do I look like the sort of person who wants to have this conversation every week?

(Clearly my vain attempts to throw some information at you: "when the ice caps melt, it screws with the jet stream...", "'global warming' is just a bad name for 'climate change'", are not helping. I just need to remember not to bring up the weather with this guy.)

Katy wrote:

I'd put this in the random non sequitur thread, but I'll keep the P&C in P&C.

Hey, random guy in the gym, just because we've had a cold winter doesn't mean that "global warming" is a crock. And why do I look like the sort of person who wants to have this conversation every week?

(Clearly my vain attempts to throw some information at you: "when the ice caps melt, it screws with the jet stream...", "'global warming' is just a bad name for 'climate change'", are not helping. I just need to remember not to bring up the weather with this guy.)

"Dude. You're confusing climate with weather. It's like you watched one football game that ended in a draw, and are now telling me that the rules of football are broken because they don't allow either team to win."

FEMA is changing it's requirements with regards to Climate Change preparation.

Now any states that don't include plans for climate change mitigation in their disaster preparation budget will have fewer funds allocated to them. Note that this doesn't effect disaster relief, Rick Scott's inability to accept Climate Change won't stop Florida from getting relief from FEMA after a hurricane, but if FEMA isn't satisfied with their climate change preparation plans they won't get as much money for disaster prevention, the rationale being that states that aren't making long term preparations wouldn't put the money to as good a use as other states.

Katy wrote:

I'd put this in the random non sequitur thread, but I'll keep the P&C in P&C.

Hey, random guy in the gym, just because we've had a cold winter doesn't mean that "global warming" is a crock. And why do I look like the sort of person who wants to have this conversation every week?

(Clearly my vain attempts to throw some information at you: "when the ice caps melt, it screws with the jet stream...", "'global warming' is just a bad name for 'climate change'", are not helping. I just need to remember not to bring up the weather with this guy.)

I dearly wish I could take every one of these morons back to January, and offer to play some games in the Greatest Snow on Earth, that fabulous Utah snow that's so very dry and fluffy, it's legendary. Then I pummel their face in the dirt and leave them to bake, because back here it crept up to 70 degrees in January, and we didn't see a proper snow storm at my elevation between Christmas and mid-February.

Yonder wrote:

Now any states that don't include plans for climate change mitigation in their disaster preparation budget will have fewer funds allocated to them. Note that this doesn't effect disaster relief, Rick Scott's inability to accept Climate Change won't stop Florida from getting relief from FEMA after a hurricane, but if FEMA isn't satisfied with their climate change preparation plans they won't get as much money for disaster prevention, the rationale being that states that aren't making long term preparations wouldn't put the money to as good a use as other states.

Heh... And any President who restores that funding has to explain why he's giving them more funding to deal with climate change...

More likely they'd just cut funding for everyone...

Florida Sen. Jeff Clemens trying to get Bryan Koon, the Florida Chief of Emergency Management, to say the phrase that shall not be spoken during a budget subcommittee hearing.

That's awesome...and sad.

WTF?! Not the rationing but this little tidbit - "That rationing won't, however, apply to California's agricultural users, who are responsible for roughly 80 percent of the state's overall water use."

Don't get me wrong; I love steak and I like almonds, etc but 39% of the freshwater use between them?

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Behold the power of the agriculture lobby.

They represent literally 1% of the state's economy ($20 billion out of $2 trillion in gross state product) and yet have the political strength to f*ck over everyone.

farley3k wrote:

WTF?! Not the rationing but this little tidbit - "That rationing won't, however, apply to California's agricultural users, who are responsible for roughly 80 percent of the state's overall water use."

Here I was thinking that 25% was too little too late. 5% doesn't give me warm fuzzies.

Fruits and Nuts should stay in California, the number of years it takes trees to grow means that relocating those crops wouldn't really work. Rice, Corn, Cotton, you could move everything there in a single growing season (yes, it takes time to get your soil the way you want it, but nothing compared to starting new orchards from scratch). That drops out 16% water usage right there.

I bet all of that Alfalfa is for the cows, you may not be able to move them all (that seems like it would be stressful, which you wouldn't want for Dairy Cows), but if you can cut out half of your pasture usage and that cuts out half of your Alfalfa then you've dropped another 12%. Bam, more than a quarter of agricultural water dropped right here from my chair. You're welcome California.

Yonder wrote:

I bet all of that Alfalfa is for the cows, you may not be able to move them all (that seems like it would be stressful, which you wouldn't want for Dairy Cows),

totally one of the reasons I picked my tag:

Behold the power of the agriculture lobby.

You know it is hilarious the disconnect as I drive down the 5 through the central valley seeing all these signs blaming democrats and "congress" for "another congress created dustbowl".

No, you friggen moron!. It is a drought created dustbowl but don't let mother nature get in the way of seeing past your nose.