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Amoebic wrote:

Clockette avatar: What is it from?!

It's Disney's Rapunzel cosplaying as the Fourth Doctor from Doctor Who. Since I had my son, I've discovered that I have a huge soft spot for Disney stuff.

Hypatian wrote:

Also, I love the shirt. :)

Thanks. Sticking with the above theme, it's a Cinderella shirt I got in Orlando this summer.

This makes me look like I'm really into Disney princess stuff, and I'm not. I just have a thing for classic Disney and Doctor Who.

I need fashion advice!

My wife and I have a big date scheduled for Halloween. I'll be taking advantage of the holiday to go out in full-on girl mode for the very first time: hair, makeup, breasts, dress, etc. I'm planning to wear my newly acquired little black dress; which, for reference, looks like this:

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I haven't bought shoes yet but have my eye on some cute black flats. What I need help with is this: what should I wear over my legs? I'm still having some skin irritation while shaving, so I don't want to go out with bare legs. I'm thinking stockings, but what color? I think plain black would look too funereal, although a black net could be cute. Gray? Something more colorful or patterned?

One rule: pantyhose are out, because I can't stand the way they feel. We hates them, preciouses.

Pantyhose are the worst. Last time I wore a black dress I got these patterned charcoal kneesocks to go with. I have no idea if that's actually fashionable but I liked it.

You're thin! Enjoy/flaunt this, and get some gloriously patterned stockings from Macy's or similar. They are knockout on people with model legs, which you happen to have

http://www.mytights.com/us/fashion-h...

http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/j...

Also: I have a pair of these and they're great, if stockings are still too weird. They make a few styles, get something bright.
http://store.americanapparel.net/rsa...

Those are hot! Too bad my local Macy's doesn't carry them.

It's too bad they don't have those linked ones, but you can buy thigh-high nylons just about anywhere. Just make sure you get the ones that hold themselves up if you don't want to go the whole garter-belt thing (though that has it's place and if I may say that Halloween is a good one for it ). And they're sized by height and weight so it is one of the few things in women's fashion that make sense.

Do you have a serious theatrical costume shop nearby? I don't meant he ones that just show up for the season - I mean the ones that stay year-round. that If so, look there. That's where my daughter gets hers.

I don't ever wear skirts that short, so I just wear knee-highs or sometimes pretty trouser socks.

As much as I love flats, I'd like to be the devil in your ear that suggests FIERCE HEELS

Tonight I bought a knee-length black wool coat, a knee-length garnet pencil skirt, and a long-sleeved black cable-knit V-neck sweater.

My goal was to have a skirt and a top I could wear together for a new outfit over my corset. I think that's a success. Will have to wait until tomorrow night when I can shave and try on makeup for the full effect, but I think it will work.

The coat, sadly, is just a little bit too small. I plan to exchange it on Thursday for the next size up. I was kind of worried that it might be too tight in the shoulders, but that part is actually fine. It's the bust that's too tight. I think the place I got breast forms from understated the effective cup size by at least one size. On the plus side, I think they fit my frame pretty well. On the minus side, I've got to exchange this coat.

And I'll join the chorus to at least consider heels. I was skeptical, but even without going FIERCE!(tm), the effect is pretty good. I think that every little thing that requires moving a little bit differently kind of ties together to make me feel better and move better.

P.S. I hope you end up with some pictures to share with us. And I hope the night goes great!

If you do go for heels, good luck! I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like to walk on those things, other than a very brief experience when I was about 5 wearing my mom's. I don't know how women (and some men) do it. I guess practice makes perfect!

Rallick wrote:

If you do go for heels, good luck! I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like to walk on those things, other than a very brief experience when I was about 5 wearing my mom's. I don't know how women (and some men) do it. I guess practice makes perfect!

Seriously... and I would always be afraid I would turn(sprain) my ankle. Kudos to those that can manage it.

I've worn heels a couple of times and didn't find it anywhere near as painful as I expected.

Late to the party, but I just wanted to pop in and say how proud I am of this community that this thread exists.

garion333 wrote:

I've worn heels a couple of times and didn't find it anywhere near as painful as I expected.

IMO, you have to find a shoe whose arch is in the same place as yours so the impact of walking isn't taken 100% on the ball of the foot, and a toe box that is wide enough to fit your ball of foot and toes without pinching. If you're lucky to find some heels that do this it can actually be comfortable. I bet you're one of those lucky bastids that has an ideally shaped foot, because the wrong pair of heels for me is excruciating.

A lot of what hurts/scares people who try heels the first time is that they may be used to walking heavy on the heel of the foot, so putting that stride into a pair of pointy heels is daunting and incredibly unstable. It also gets muscles working in a completely new way that can leave your feet/legs/back sore until you're used to it, so a night in heels can be exhausting. I had an aha moment when I tried barefoot running because it reminded me of trying to run in heels

SocialChameleon wrote:

Late to the party, but I just wanted to pop in and say how proud I am of this community that this thread exists.

Delurking to say "Ditto". I wasn't following NSMike's thread but I was definitely puzzled when Clocky referred to herself with feminine pronouns in another thread while I was on vacation a couple weeks ago. Very happy to see two people accepting/realizing who they really are and being courageous enough to share that with the rest of us. To then see the community provide their support in return is yet another reminder of why I like this site.

Good luck Clocky and Hypatian!

Amoebic wrote:

As much as I love flats, I'd like to be the devil in your ear that suggests FIERCE HEELS

I want to get heels, but I'm a little nervous about being unstable on them. My financial situation is such right now that I'll be buying my shoes literally the night of, so I won't have time to practice with heels before I'm out on the town. I'd like to end up in heels eventually (especially since I'm so tall) but I don't think it'll happen for this date night.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
Amoebic wrote:

As much as I love flats, I'd like to be the devil in your ear that suggests FIERCE HEELS

I want to get heels, but I'm a little nervous about being unstable on them. My financial situation is such right now that I'll be buying my shoes literally the night of, so I won't have time to practice with heels before I'm out on the town. I'd like to end up in heels eventually (especially since I'm so tall) but I don't think it'll happen for this date night. :)

Go-Go boots?

I can't wear heels higher than an inch or so. I walk on my toes and my heel is coming down unevenly so I basically immediately turn my ankle. After twisting my ankle in a nasty way in a department store, I've given up on them entirely.

Good luck to those brave souls willing to try heels :p

Lana Wachowski received the Visibility Award from the Human Rights Campaign. Her acceptance speech was pretty amazing. [em]Cloud Atlas[/em] is out on Friday, I'm looking forward to seeing it.

That was excellent. I suggest watching the video they link to in the article if you have the time.

Hypatian wrote:

Lana Wachowski received the Visibility Award from the Human Rights Campaign. Her acceptance speech was pretty amazing. [em]Cloud Atlas[/em] is out on Friday, I'm looking forward to seeing it. :)

It actually bugged me during the Idle Thumbs Bookcast about Cloud Atlas when Chris Remo referred to them as the Wachowski brothers, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that it was just a slip of the tongue, since they used to be referred to that way.

Today I was carded (well, half-carded: asked for my birth date) when buying tobacco for the first time since I was 19 or 20. (You're supposed to be carded until 35. The last time I was carded, the lady at the counter then said "Oh, just kidding. Isn't it good to look so young?" I could [em]feel[/em] the nail driving into my coffin-lid.) When the teller asked for the year and I said "1976", she did a double-take and said "Really? *blink blink* Wow, you have great skin!" This, even though I hadn't shaved for a couple of days because I had electrolysis today.

That made me feel pretty awesome. I credit clover for skin care tips.

P.S. Exfoliating makes a [em]heck[/em] of a lot more sense now that I am so much less hairy. With lots of hair, it's like "What? Is this supposed to do something?"

P.P.S. Photos! I just slapped enough makeup on for testing, and nothing on my legs--I've been wearing knee-highs with the jeans, and that does not work here.

IMAGE(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9afzc-_vpCI/UIjDtK_u5YI/AAAAAAAAAEA/IMv_o5LL6lI/s400/2012-10-25-1.jpg) IMAGE(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-p_brWjCIOL0/UIjDtBfs0BI/AAAAAAAAAD8/0R5lMRpojos/s400/2012-10-25-2.jpg)

P.P.P.S. Oh crap, it's a lot later than I thought. If I don't want to wear a blouse to work tomorrow (and okay, yes, I [em]do[/em], but...), I need to do laundry. :X

It sounds like we're going to a place that's more of a dance club this weekend, so that outfit is right out. Even without the corset (and I do not think I could it off without), the skirt would be too constricting. With the corset... Yeah.

Probably a good thing, though, because I've reflected enough to realize that it just doesn't quite work as an outfit—it needs something to make it less boring. Still, two more articles of clothing in the closet to match with other things.

Amoebic wrote:
garion333 wrote:

I've worn heels a couple of times and didn't find it anywhere near as painful as I expected.

IMO, you have to find a shoe whose arch is in the same place as yours so the impact of walking isn't taken 100% on the ball of the foot, and a toe box that is wide enough to fit your ball of foot and toes without pinching. If you're lucky to find some heels that do this it can actually be comfortable. I bet you're one of those lucky bastids that has an ideally shaped foot, because the wrong pair of heels for me is excruciating.

A lot of what hurts/scares people who try heels the first time is that they may be used to walking heavy on the heel of the foot, so putting that stride into a pair of pointy heels is daunting and incredibly unstable. It also gets muscles working in a completely new way that can leave your feet/legs/back sore until you're used to it, so a night in heels can be exhausting. I had an aha moment when I tried barefoot running because it reminded me of trying to run in heels :lol:

This all really good advice about heels. Just to add my two cents, I would recommend heels with rounded, rather than pointed, toes if heels are a new thing for you. You can wear them longer I find, because your toes aren't screaming for mercy. Esp. if you're like me and have broken a couple of toes and they didn't heal quite straight (damn flip-flops. Never again!).

Hypatian wrote:

Today I was carded (well, half-carded: asked for my birth date) when buying tobacco for the first time since I was 19 or 20. (You're supposed to be carded until 35. The last time I was carded, the lady at the counter then said "Oh, just kidding. Isn't it good to look so young?" I could [em]feel[/em] the nail driving into my coffin-lid.) When the teller asked for the year and I said "1976", she did a double-take and said "Really? *blink blink* Wow, you have great skin!" This, even though I hadn't shaved for a couple of days because I had electrolysis today.

That made me feel pretty awesome. I credit clover for skin care tips.

P.S. Exfoliating makes a [em]heck[/em] of a lot more sense now that I am so much less hairy. With lots of hair, it's like "What? Is this supposed to do something?"

P.P.S. Photos! I just slapped enough makeup on for testing, and nothing on my legs--I've been wearing knee-highs with the jeans, and that does not work here.

IMAGE(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9afzc-_vpCI/UIjDtK_u5YI/AAAAAAAAAEA/IMv_o5LL6lI/s400/2012-10-25-1.jpg) IMAGE(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-p_brWjCIOL0/UIjDtBfs0BI/AAAAAAAAAD8/0R5lMRpojos/s400/2012-10-25-2.jpg)

P.P.P.S. Oh crap, it's a lot later than I thought. If I don't want to wear a blouse to work tomorrow (and okay, yes, I [em]do[/em], but...), I need to do laundry. :X

Getting carded is awesome I don't get it as much as I used to, but the rare times I do, it totally makes my day.

Also, I really like your skirt. It's the perfect length and I like the nice, rich colour. Where did you get it (yes, I'd like to copycat you on that - it's a seriously great skirt - very classic and classy - and it makes your legs look awesome).

I picked it up at Target. Mossimo® Women's Pencil Skirt w/Belt - Bloodstone My photos may make the color seem richer than it actually is—but since I got it off the shelf, it should be findable to check. If I was at home to look at it and had a magic device to know what your monitor made it look like, I'd be able to say for sure. (Curse you, web color reproduction! Curse you, too, my inability to take decent photos!)

Hypatian wrote:

I picked it up at Target. Mossimo® Women's Pencil Skirt w/Belt - Bloodstone My photos may make the color seem richer than it actually is—but since I got it off the shelf, it should be findable to check. If I was at home to look at it and had a magic device to know what your monitor made it look like, I'd be able to say for sure. (Curse you, web color reproduction! Curse you, too, my inability to take decent photos!)

Thank you!

It looks to me like eggplant/garnet mixed together from your photos (and of course, your idea of what that might like look like and mine are probably still different anyway - hurrah for different brains!)

I don't have access to a Target in Vancouver, but Bellingham isn't that far away, and (woo!) I can order this online! As to fit though, did you find it fit small, or a little big? Because the only sizes close to mine would be 8 or 10 (I think, anyway) and the difference between those can be substantial.

Mimble wrote:

I don't have access to a Target in Vancouver

You will in early 2013, when the first (?) Canadian one opens up in Langley.

Finally, as a heterosexual cisgendered male, I have something to contribute to this thread!

Gravey wrote:
Mimble wrote:

I don't have access to a Target in Vancouver

You will in early 2013, when the first (?) Canadian one opens up in Langley.

Finally, as a heterosexual cisgendered male, I have something to contribute to this thread! ;)

That's true! But Langley is a PIA to get to, whereas ordering stuff online is awesome and easy.

I also notice I can get that skirt in black, too. VISA is going to love me...

Mimble wrote:

I don't have access to a Target in Vancouver, but Bellingham isn't that far away, and (woo!) I can order this online! As to fit though, did you find it fit small, or a little big? Because the only sizes close to mine would be 8 or 10 (I think, anyway) and the difference between those can be substantial.

My sizing knowledge is crap, I'm afraid. So confusing. @_@ I can tell you that I bought it in size 12, and my waist measurement around the outside of the corset is about 32". I don't recall there being that much extra room, but I also think it settled a little bit down from my waist (that happens easily since the corset is rather more slippery than skin would be.)