Pixar and Dreamworks films discussions

Saw Toy Story 3 last night. Fantastic. And yes, man-tears may have been cried. That goodness for

Spoiler:

THE CLAW :D

I still hold Incredibles as my favorite Pixar, and I think Monsters Inc is still 2nd. But this definitely surpassed Toy Story 2 to move right up there withToy Story. Gosh it's so hard to rank them, once you get past a favorite. They are all so high quality. Finding Nemo is my least favorite personally, but it's still a very good movie.

I don't see them making a bad movie... I guess I worry that John Ratzenberger won't be around forever (63 now?), and that if they ever make a movie without him it will be the jinx. But so far, so good. Looking forward to Cars 2 (I think that is next for them?).

Also, since I just found this thread, How To Train Your Dragon is the 2nd best Dreamworks movie behind the 1st Shrek. Definitely the best thing they have done in years. Granted I never saw Kung Fu Panda, but I doubt the title is in danger. My wife was unable to go with me the night my friends and I went, so I plan to take her now that it is showing at the dollar (2 dollar?) theater. Definitely worth another viewing.

I'm not sure I'll be able to watch Toy Story 3. The "When Somebody Loved Me" sequence from Toy Story 2 is enough to get me crying:

Stele wrote:

Saw Toy Story 3 last night. Fantastic. And yes, man-tears may have been cried. That goodness for

Spoiler:

THE CLAW :D

I still hold Incredibles as my favorite Pixar, and I think Monsters Inc is still 2nd. But this definitely surpassed Toy Story 2 to move right up there withToy Story. Gosh it's so hard to rank them, once you get past a favorite. They are all so high quality. Finding Nemo is my least favorite personally, but it's still a very good movie.

I don't see them making a bad movie... I guess I worry that John Ratzenberger won't be around forever (63 now?), and that if they ever make a movie without him it will be the jinx. But so far, so good. Looking forward to Cars 2 (I think that is next for them?).

Also, since I just found this thread, How To Train Your Dragon is the 2nd best Dreamworks movie behind the 1st Shrek. Definitely the best thing they have done in years. Granted I never saw Kung Fu Panda, but I doubt the title is in danger. My wife was unable to go with me the night my friends and I went, so I plan to take her now that it is showing at the dollar (2 dollar?) theater. Definitely worth another viewing.

WATCH KUNG FU PANDA.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

I'm not sure I'll be able to watch Toy Story 3. The "When Somebody Loved Me" sequence from Toy Story 2 is enough to get me crying:

If that gets the waterworks flowing for you, Toy Story 3 will certainly make you cry.

kaostheory wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

I'm not sure I'll be able to watch Toy Story 3. The "When Somebody Loved Me" sequence from Toy Story 2 is enough to get me crying:

If that gets the waterworks flowing for you, Toy Story 3 will certainly make you cry.

I can attest to this. It's gonna happen.

Stele wrote:

Also, since I just found this thread, How To Train Your Dragon is the 2nd best Dreamworks movie behind the 1st Shrek. Definitely the best thing they have done in years.

I totally agree. I'm not sure how others feel, but in my mind, the first Shrek is very close in quality to the best Pixar has done. Kung Fu Panda was also quite good, but it's no Shrek.

Speedhuntr wrote:

WATCH KUNG FU PANDA.

Nth'd for GREAT JUSTICE! Jack Black annoys me deeply so I almost didn't watch this, but I am so glad I did. Master Oogway rawks, well, if you can call what a giant Zen turtle does that.

And yeah, going to surprise my daughter with a trip to Toy Story 3 her next day off. Considering what the other films did to me, we'll need tissues. Lots of tissues.

kaostheory wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

I'm not sure I'll be able to watch Toy Story 3. The "When Somebody Loved Me" sequence from Toy Story 2 is enough to get me crying:

If that gets the waterworks flowing for you, Toy Story 3 will certainly make you cry.

Well. Apparently I'll be seeing this in the comfort of my own home. I admit, I bawl like a small girl during that sequence in Toy Story 2.

kaostheory wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

I'm not sure I'll be able to watch Toy Story 3. The "When Somebody Loved Me" sequence from Toy Story 2 is enough to get me crying:

If that gets the waterworks flowing for you, Toy Story 3 will certainly make you cry.

Yup. Loved Toy Story 3.

I just got back from seeing Toy Story 3 with my 19 year old daughter. Pro Tip: DO NOT get stuck behind a garbage truck for two miles on the way home from the film. It's hard to see to drive when you're weeping like a Miyazaki heroine.

It's a brave film. I'll give it that. But anyone who is under the impression that's a kid's film is sadly sadly mistaken. I'm gonna say it - if you are thinking about taking anyone under 12 or over 17, please be aware this one is not just cute and happy. Some of this thing is scary, and some is just frelling hard. I'm going to spoiler the middle bits, just in case.

Spoiler:

The story hits on many levels.

I've been a toy. Not literally, but I've had friends who were written off by others. Many people wrote off my son when he was a teenager. Heck, I damned near did so many times. It can be so easy to just write people off right back. Watching them jump into that box was hard. I can't even be mad at the "bad guy". I've been left behind myself, and it does break something inside. And just sucking it up and pulling yourself back up by your bootstraps like everyone says is sometimes just not possible. We're not all Atlas, standing with the planet on our shoulders. And even if you do manage to get to your knees, things have still changed.

I've been Andy's mom. Both when she was trying to get something (ANYTHING!) done around the house because you really do have to get the work done sometimes, folks, and in the end when she got all weepy in his now-empty room. The worst part isn't in the film; it's my own baggage. Kids don't leave just once. You have to watch them walk away over and over again. I did it when my daughter went down the aisle in the ugly green acetate bathrobe, again when she did it in her wedding dress, and I have to do it every time they come over for dinner and she has to go to her home. I have to do it again every time my eldest leaves on deployment. Some days it's hard to watch the ones who still live at home go to work because each day is one step closer to a bigger goodbye. They will find many reasons to go, each in their own way. They have to. It's all part of growing up and raising them. They are supposed to end up with their own lives out in the big world. I'm always glad when they come back and see me for a while, but there's nothing in this world that makes it easy when they have to go again.

I've been Andy. I was proud of him at the end, even as I was bawling like a hungry, angry baby. That time of your life is full of those moments when you get smacked with the fact that the world you lived in up until that point has irrevocably changed and you're probably not nearly as ready for it as you think you are. The look on his face when he drove away was something else. He really did grow through that situation, but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck the chrome right off a trailer hitch.

I'm still a puddle and the movie's been over almost an hour. I'm sad. I'm angry. I want my babies back. I'm happy for the characters and they're not even @()&% real. I wasn't joking about the garbage truck. It pulled out in front of us at a light and after about half a block of watching it drive on while we sat at the red my daughter and I both burst out laughing and crying at the same time. There was just nothing else to do with the whole welter. Way to bring back a teenage moment - I'm feeling about 17 things at once here and all I know for sure is it's John Lasseter's fault.

The ending will wring you out. The only reason I can imagine someone not crying at the end of this is that it somehow interferes with their system's interpretation of The Three Laws. Seriously, you should have your cyborg heart looked at.

Do I think people should see this. Yes. Am I going to watch it again. I don't know. Not soon, I know that.

Dyni wrote:
Stele wrote:

Also, since I just found this thread, How To Train Your Dragon is the 2nd best Dreamworks movie behind the 1st Shrek. Definitely the best thing they have done in years.

I totally agree. I'm not sure how others feel, but in my mind, the first Shrek is very close in quality to the best Pixar has done. Kung Fu Panda was also quite good, but it's no Shrek.

In my mind: Shrek is clever, but has none of the heart of even the least of the Pixar movies (*cough* Cars *cough*). It's also filled full of inside industry jokes and topical humor that doesn't age well. Kung Fu Panda was a huge step forward for them, as far as the script goes. Still, I don't think the Dreamworks team has demonstrated that they know how to structure a movie as brilliantly as Pixar does.

This is definitely worth a quick read — although it's not entirely on topic. But it does talk about how Pixar ends up with some of the best-written movies coming out of Hollywood.

Well, momgamer's post almost got me misty-eyed, so I think it's a safe bet that Toy Story 3's off limits for me.

KaterinLHC wrote:

Well, momgamer's post almost got me misty-eyed, so I think it's a safe bet that Toy Story 3's off limits for me. :)

No dogs were harmed during the filming of this movie. So you should be fine.

Cars 2 will be out on Friday. Thoughts on the James Bond-esque take on the plot?

Dominic Knight wrote:

Cars 2 will be out on Friday. Thoughts on the James Bond-esque take on the plot?

For the first time, I'm just not very excited about a Pixar release. I'm not sure if it's the fact that I've seen so many commercials and product tie-in commercials that I feel like I've already seen it, or the fact that it's a sequel to my least favorite Pixar movie.

Probably both.

At any rate, unless I see some really solid reviews that indicate I should go see it right away, I'll be waiting for the DVD release.

I haven't seen ANY trailers, but I did like the original Cars a lot more than most other people. It may just be because somewhere in my subconscious I feel I have to be counter-culture, but I went in expecting a bad movie, and got a good one. Not great, but good. I'm excited, expecting what I got from the first, and not more.

And hey, The Incredibles showed me Pixar can do the James-Bond style stuff well.

Cars 2 is a cash-in. That movie did not need a sequel. I am disappoint.

Mytch wrote:
Dominic Knight wrote:

Cars 2 will be out on Friday. Thoughts on the James Bond-esque take on the plot?

For the first time, I'm just not very excited about a Pixar release.

Tell that to my 2.5-year old. He looks forward to that more than to Christmas. It will be our special movie - first time ever in the theater together. No wonder I am excited as well

In a more sober note, I am not that stoked about the movie myself as well.

I was less than thrilled to see a Toy Story 3 when it was announced, and was proven very wrong. I won't be betting against Pixar again.

Every time I say that I don't think the upcoming Pixar movie looks particularly good, I'm b*tch-slapped in the face by how amazing Pixar's work always is. I think I'm at the point now that if they were to announce their upcoming movie about a wisecracking ferret rectum and his adventures in a Dutch bakery, I'll slap down my ten bucks and give it a shot. Cars 2 isn't a hard sell for me.

trichy wrote:

Every time I say that I don't think the upcoming Pixar movie looks particularly good, I'm b*tch-slapped in the face by how amazing Pixar's work always is. I think I'm at the point now that if they were to announce their upcoming movie about a wisecracking ferret rectum and his adventures in a Dutch bakery, I'll slap down my ten bucks and give it a shot. Cars 2 isn't a hard sell for me.

Pixar's Dutch Oven?

I have no doubt that the plot will technically be good, but I despise Larry The Cable Guy, and all that he is involved with. This will be the first Pixar movie I won't see.

BadKen wrote:

Cars 2 is a cash-in. That movie did not need a sequel. I am disappoint.

Pixar (well, Lassetter) insists that they never make a sequel unless they have a good story that would be worth making. Their track record pretty much backs that, so I think calling it a cash-in is unwarranted. Or, at least, jumping the gun.

Although I agree with the general sentiment — Cars is by far my least favorite Pixar movie. (Although re-watching it with my four year-old has made me dislike it less.)

lostlobster wrote:

Cars is by far my least favorite Pixar movie.

When was the last time you saw bug's life?

Cars is essentially a pure kids movie. There are jokes and themes for adults but not like other Pixar films. I don't consider Cars 2 a cash-in but more of a service for children.

Norfair wrote:
lostlobster wrote:

Cars is by far my least favorite Pixar movie.

When was the last time you saw bug's life?

I haven't even seen Cars, and I like it better than A Bug's Life.

I'm not particularly interested in Cars 2, but I expect that Pixar will do good work. I certainly know a hell of a lot of kids are excited about this one. Heck, if my son were a bit older, he'd probably be the most excited person on the planet. He's just crazy about cars.

Ouch only 44% on Rottentomatoes currently. I think that may be the lowest I have ever seen for a Pixar movie (A Bug's Life is 61%) I am sure it will go up when all reviews come in but it is certainly not as "slam dunk" as I expect from them.

WipEout wrote:

I have no doubt that the plot will technically be good, but I despise Larry The Cable Guy, and all that he is involved with. This will be the first Pixar movie I won't see.

"Mater (Larry The Cable Guy) is dumb, excitable and puppy-dog loyal, his idiot-savant automotive expertise grounded in humble, blue-collar simplicity. I doubt anyone will protest much, but Pixar has now found its redneck Jar-Jar Binks. Such a proud moment."

-A.O. Scott
New York Times

Ouch.

Aaron D. wrote:
WipEout wrote:

I have no doubt that the plot will technically be good, but I despise Larry The Cable Guy, and all that he is involved with. This will be the first Pixar movie I won't see.

"Mater (Larry The Cable Guy) is dumb, excitable and puppy-dog loyal, his idiot-savant automotive expertise grounded in humble, blue-collar simplicity. I doubt anyone will protest much, but Pixar has now found its redneck Jar-Jar Binks. Such a proud moment."

-A.O. Scott
New York Times

Ouch.

Did he miss the first Cars? Welcome to a few years ago A.O!

Was Cars terrible? No. It wasn't up to Pixar standards, but it was better than a lot of other kids movies. I would say that Bug's Life is the bottom end of Pixar standards. Kids, however LOVE Cars, so it gets a sequel, hopefully Pixar can improve on the original, but I suspect Larry the Cable Guy will feature heavily, cause kids love Jar-Jar.

LouZiffer wrote:

I was less than thrilled to see a Toy Story 3 when it was announced, and was proven very wrong. I won't be betting against Pixar again.

This is a good point...I had the same experience with Toy Story 3. However, it had the advantage of me liking the first two very much. Not so with Cars.

Am I the only person on the planet who actually liked A Bug's Life?