GWJ OOTP League Thread

peedmyself wrote:

I'm that team that has a good shot against the good teams, and craps the bed against the bottom feeders.

In other words, you're the Red Sox.

I really need to trade a corner outfielder, and I'd like for that to be Mark Cowie. I'm not sure what the scouts have against him, he's never hit for under .850 OBP, he's a defensive stud at the corner outfield positions, and his OBP in 4 seasons is otherworldly at around .475. He is old at 38, but age hasn't affected his stats. He's had a few injuries, but never been out for more than 4 weeks (and that was years ago). He's the type of player that can hit second as easily as fifth in the lineup, and should be an everyday player. Problem is, I have too many young studs in the OF right now, and too many bats that should hit in the heart of the order. Cowie is set to make 13.5M this season and next. I'm not looking for a lot for him due to his age and salary, but if you have cap space, he'd make a good addition to a team looking for some pop or just someone to make solid contact day in and day out.

Prospects are fine- I'm in need of MR, CF and would consider almost any of the infield positions, or low level, high ceiling prospects at most of the positions.

I'd consider trading one of my younger OF, but I'm going to be asking more for them.

Haven't looked at my team in a while. I'm sure we're still losing.

@Landshrk83: check your PMs

I just want to stay ahead of Charlotte!

EAT ME, CHARLOTTE! /rude gesture

A couple trade offers came in, so what i'm going to do is sim just a single day today, and perhaps tomorrow, so people can get their offers and trades in.

EDIT: And new file, of course.

So I have an interesting question for all of you. I'm not obsessed with making this 100% like the MLB, so i'm open to other rules and things from other leagues. In this case (and I admit it comes from a self-absorbed place), i'm wondering how people would feel about introducing something like the NBA's Amnesty Clause, where each user could nominate a single contract to be waived with no penalty for releasing the player.

I openly admit, part of the reason i'm pitching this is because I can't hire a hitman to murder Jeremy Drew (6.98 ERA, $19.8M contract with an option for $20.8M next year), but I thought it might be an interesting wrinkle to add.

If anyone else has any ideas or suggestions, i'm open to them. We already have league-wide revenue sharing and the same national TV contract for each team, but things like a salary cap or other ideas i'm open to at least discussing.

I think an amnesty clause would be fine although who would decide for the AI if it would be used and on whom? Or do they not get it since they are stupid AIs? And I assume the commish would have to do this manually, right?

How about a soft cap + luxury tax? Not sure if we are using %age of income for revenue sharing, although it seems like this is the case. The purpose would be to try and keep teams from spending $300MM on payroll, or if they do they share some of the largesse with the rest of the league. For instance Denver contributes to revenue sharing despite having the 13th payroll (or whatever it is) - well under the league average (thanks skinflint owner!).

As someone who is in the last year of eating a $20 mil contract I'd like to see you guys eat it just like I've had to.

My personal opinion is we should not have an amnesty clause. I think part of the fun of this game is having to make tough decisions with contracts If you make a bad one, or just an unlucky one and get stuck with a bad contract you just need to deal with it and try and work around it.

I'm torn on the whole amnesty clause thing. I'll go whichever way the league goes, I don't think I'll be able to make up my mind in either direction.

Yeah, I'm with Farscry in this one--I'm abstaining.

It is important part of the game. Mariners had to live with Chone Figgins for three years. Seattle Rain have a RF $21M that is stopping me from offering contract extensions to other players who are leaving for free agency. Has taught me a lesson.
I believe our league needs more trading. Let the AI teams pay the high prices. There are also vesting options and team options that can be put into contracts to reduce risks. I think we are all learning also part of the game.

OK, you folks have convinced me. Changing my vote for amnesty clause to no.

No discussion on soft cap + luxury tax?

I'm good with soft cap.

What's a soft cap?

Also, what's a good source to learn more about what vesting/team/player contract options mean?

Here is another issue with an amnesty clause. In last years free agency there was a pitcher, clayton something, that was really good but 38 years old. I was in dire need of starting pitching but he wanted something like 18mill/year for 3-4 years. I wasn't willing to give a guy that old that big and long of a contract. Now, if we had an amnesty clause I would have signed that guy, backloaded the contract and then just released him when he started to suck.

I'm on board with some type of salary cap, we would probably give some teams a couple of seasons though to bring their payrolls down.

And Mitchson, please don't bring up the C word ever again. As a Mariners fan I havev tried to move on from that and seeing the name brings back bad memories.

Farscry wrote:

What's a soft cap?

So a salary cap is a cap in players' salaries. You know this I am sure. So there are two kinds of cap: a hard cap and a soft cap. A hard cap means no team can *ever* go over it. The NFL has a hard cap. If a team goes over the cap, the commissioner rolls back time to the thing that caused the team to go over the cap and undoes it.

A soft cap means that there is a cap but teams may exceed it but with a cost. In this case, exceeding the soft cap means the team has to pay money to the league (ie. the other teams). MLB has a soft cap, so the Yankees and red Sox have to pay the other teams when the exceed the cap. This is supposed to control how much a team's player salaries are and help support smaller market teams. How effective it is is up for debate. But a world without the soft cap in MLB would be terrible: Sawx and Yankees win the WS every year (unless you are a Sawx or Yankees fan of course ).

Farscry wrote:

Also, what's a good source to learn more about what vesting/team/player contract options mean?

I will have to dig up a site I read recently that had a nice section on the financials of baseball.

However some quick answers:

Vesting: Vesting is a clause in a player's contract that is fulfilled by reaching certain well-defined milestones, say like plate appearances or starts. Sometimes the clause is a bonus or it guarantees the next years' salary. They are generally used with older players as hedges against their health and/or performance. I don;t believe we have vesting in our OOTP league.

Options: Options are optional years on a contract. A player option means that the player decides whether to "opt in" to the additional period of the contract. A team option means that the team decides. So say you sign a player to 2 years with an option on the third. If it is a player option, the player decides whether to play for you for that last year. If it is a team option, you decide whether he continues to play for you.

pizzaddict wrote:

Here is another issue with an amnesty clause. In last years free agency there was a pitcher, clayton something, that was really good but 38 years old. I was in dire need of starting pitching but he wanted something like 18mill/year for 3-4 years. I wasn't willing to give a guy that old that big and long of a contract. Now, if we had an amnesty clause I would have signed that guy, backloaded the contract and then just released him when he started to suck.

I'm on board with some type of salary cap, we would probably give some teams a couple of seasons though to bring their payrolls down.

Older pitchers always want long contracts, young ones want short ones. Unfortunately it's the nature of the beast. Your best case is to backload the contract with a team option, but the players usually won't go for it (they almost always want a player option with back-loaded contracts). If you unbalance the salary too much, your owner will usually veto the contract. The pitcher was Derrek Clayton, I ended up signing him to a 2 year, 6.5M a year contract, so the players are willing to be reasonable. He's pitching out of my bullpen fairly often, he's a decent SP but doesn't have a lot of stamina.

Caps are a funny thing. A hard cap might put small market teams at a disadvantage since they may not even generate enough money to hit the hard cap. If your owner is a severe economizer you could end up with the Miami Marlins. However, my team has a large market and is generating a positive revenue of around $20M a year, and I'd imagine most of the large market teams are generating similar incomes. Even with a severe soft cap, large market teams might still get the upper hand over the smaller guys.

...and damnit! I was so close to having my second player of the season hit for the cycle!

Hmm, I guess I was remembering wrong, I thought he ended up getting a lot more than 6.5 for 2 years. Point is the same though, if you know you can void a contract you could backload a contract to sign a player with minimal risk.

I'm at work and can't remember. Can we neutralize the markets in OOTP so everyone is operating in the same market size with the same budget? That way we could put in a salary cap and every team has an equal opportunity to win? It would be a drastic change from the real game obviously, but it would even things out.

Too busy to comment on everything, but the Clayton you're thinking of may have been Clayton Green. He got $60m this year (and I think may be injured).

So after sticking with OOTP 11 for a few years, I finally picked up 13 over the holidays and am interested in joining the GWJ league. From the discussion over the last few pages, it looks like there are still some AI teams available. So - which teams are still out there and what's the process for getting involved?

I'm sure Pred will PM you with the details, but before you do that PM me and let me know what team you're interested in so I can trade the AI for all your good players.

billt721 wrote:

So after sticking with OOTP 11 for a few years, I finally picked up 13 over the holidays and am interested in joining the GWJ league. From the discussion over the last few pages, it looks like there are still some AI teams available. So - which teams are still out there and what's the process for getting involved?

Heck yeah, join up! You might have to wait for the offseason though, we generally pull in new folks either early in the season or in the offseason (we're hitting the middle of the current season right now).

Well, first, no amnesty.

As for a soft cap, we can switch to one in the offseason. Take note, as I mentioned, at the moment all teams share 20 percent of all income, rather than a Soft Cap and Luxury Tax, which has a default of the Soft Cap being at 120% of the average team salary and a 20% tax for going above the cap. Another thing to consider when thinking about what effect that might have on our league is the fact that, as opposed to the real MLB, we have a NFL-style national TV contract with every team getting the same amount.

Anyway, new file! One more day gone, tomorrow, we'll blow through the deadline and get back to regular simming.

Both my installs went kaplooey for some reason, had to get a replacement authorization code. Was finally able to check in on my sh*tty pitchers today. Poor Clayton Green is convalescing somewhere on a mattress stuffed with 60 mill.

Slumberland wrote:

Both my installs went kaplooey for some reason, had to get a replacement authorization code. Was finally able to check in on my sh*tty pitchers today. Poor Clayton Green is convalescing somewhere on a mattress stuffed with 60 mill.

My installs do that from time to time, I have no idea why. I keep all the needed files in a folder and just nuke the original install from space and start over.

It's interesting to watch teams change over time in this game. I know when we started out, I had an okay pitching staff, but was stacked with power at nearly every position. Now, I barely touch the league batting stats page except for speed stats, but I've got multiple pitchers plastered all over the pitching stats page. I've seen a few other teams make a swing one way or the other, which doesn't seem to happen as much (or I just don't notice) in real baseball.

Ah trade season. The real most difficult thing about the deadline isn't just putting together a deal that satisfies the other team, it's cutting a deal that is financially feasible for all involved. A lot of teams are currently over-budget, meaning if you're gonna propose a deal to them, you have to do one that either doesn't touch or decreases their financial burden.

However, I was thinking about this while looking at some trades tonight, and I'm thinking that, while it's one thing with the AI, I won't hold users to quite the same standard. Trades between human owners that would take one team over their budget limits I will be willing to approve, within reason. I'm going to try and come up with a rubric for what's okay and what's not (say, adding no more than $5M to a team's overall projected balance).

Anyway, new file! And since I got a few more PMs about trades, I've taken us all the way up to the deadline. If you have any other moves to make, you've got until I get back from work late Thursday/early Friday, when i'll move us ahead two sims to make up for lost time (the current in-game date is Friday, 7/31, so I'll be simming us until Monday, 8/10).

Fire sale with the Bridgeburners. Pretty much anyone over the age of 25 is good to go. Off limits are SP Abreu and Rivera.

Who might interest you?

My setup man, Phillip Gentry has been on fire almost the entire season. He throws in the mid to upper 90's and is sporting a 1.01 ERA. He hasn't seen a ton of action this season (since we kinda suck) so he's nice and fresh and ready to play.

A left handed reliever in Chris Cunningham has finally gotten back on track and is sporting a nice ERA of 3.12 with a WHIP of 1.04.

Venerable 1B Nate Bradley is still getting it done with his bat. He's not the powerhouse he was last year, but he still has some pop to his bat and can get on base.

I'm at work until late, so feel free to PM me and I'll get back to you this evening.

NNNNNNNEW FILE!

It's August 10th, and Vancouver's 4 games over .500 and 1 1/2 games out of the playoffs!

Brian Burke is back over .400 because he's way too good,

Keep an eye on the SL East. Three teams within a single game of the top spot. It's going to get violent.

And everybody congratulate Mitchson, whose Seattle Rain are running away with the NL East, currently 13 1/2 games ahead of the next closes team and playing .673 baseball.

DID YOU KNOW?:

- Philadelphia has been rated by Baseball America as having the league's best prospects, with two players in the top 5.

- That Memphis' 1B Mark Holmes owns the single-game RBI record after batting in nine runners on July 20th during Memphis' 15-2 win over Denver?

- That the Richmond Raptors have never finished closer than 40 games behind the division leader?

EDIT: Oh, the most important question as Commish can ask. Is everyone enjoying themselves and having a good time? If not, how can I/we change that? Do we want to start talking about things like stadium expansion, or major rule changes? I'm open to just about anything, as long as it's fun and everybody's down with it.

Denver's The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

The good: Denver right there with Vancouver in the wildcard race, 1 1/2 games out ahead of Vancouver by one in the loss column.

The bad: #1 SP Dale Richards out for 7-8 months

The ugly: Only 79 HR this season. Be lucky to hit 100.