GWJ OOTP League Thread

New file! Pitchers and catchers report soon!

If Charlotte has a good defense, then Rhodes is a great pickup for them. Otherwise they might be in for some trouble.

Uh, who let Brad Campbell go on waivers?

yeah, I'm hoping that was some crazy AI thing. I tried to pick him up but apparently he has been claimed by someone more deserving then me.

Also, 18 million for Everhart? You guys are insane. I dropped out of that bidding when it got around 10 million a year.

New file! The preseason begins!

pizzaddict wrote:

Also, 18 million for Everhart? You guys are insane. I dropped out of that bidding when it got around 10 million a year.

I REALLY had to upgrade at catcher, I had no good prospects in the pipeline and two that were just plain awful. I might have front loaded his deal as well, I think I had $80 mil for free agents this year. He was really my main target this year since the good middle infielders went quick, and I'm so stacked at outfield that it's stupid.

double post, sorry

garion333 wrote:

Uh, who let Brad Campbell go on waivers?

Looks like Atlanta. He seems to have been lingering in there in the low minors for years, I can't imagine why he wasn't in at least AA with a decent pitching coach.

Landshrk83 wrote:
pizzaddict wrote:

Also, 18 million for Everhart? You guys are insane. I dropped out of that bidding when it got around 10 million a year.

I REALLY had to upgrade at catcher, I had no good prospects in the pipeline and two that were just plain awful. I might have front loaded his deal as well, I think I had $80 mil for free agents this year. He was really my main target this year since the good middle infielders went quick, and I'm so stacked at outfield that it's stupid.

Oh you're the guy I should hate. Sorry, I think I helped bump up the price for him, hope he's worth it.

Landshrk83 wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Uh, who let Brad Campbell go on waivers?

Looks like Atlanta. He seems to have been lingering in there in the low minors for years, I can't imagine why he wasn't in at least AA with a decent pitching coach.

What the f*ck?

*sigh* I don't know what happened there, to be honest. I've let the AI manage my minor league rosters, and I guess I didn't look closely enough at some of what was going on.

Losing that one chafes.

[Edit]Actually, no, it looks like Memphis took him from Atlanta before I joined the league, back in the league's 2012 season. He's been with Memphis until San Fran picked him off of the Memphis waivers.

I feel a little less stupid now.

tboon wrote:
Landshrk83 wrote:
pizzaddict wrote:

Also, 18 million for Everhart? You guys are insane. I dropped out of that bidding when it got around 10 million a year.

I REALLY had to upgrade at catcher, I had no good prospects in the pipeline and two that were just plain awful. I might have front loaded his deal as well, I think I had $80 mil for free agents this year. He was really my main target this year since the good middle infielders went quick, and I'm so stacked at outfield that it's stupid.

Oh you're the guy I should hate. Sorry, I think I helped bump up the price for him, hope he's worth it. :)

No problem, and there's no way Everhart can be worse than the 2 catchers I had on my major league roster, anyway. He's got option years left, team option 4th contract year, etc, so I figure it's no huge loss if I have to adjust later on.

New file! It's sounding like this is shaping up to be a really interesting season. I can't wait to do the season preview. I did notice a few things...

1.) God, this game needs to have holdouts or something. Based on his future, assuming he doesn't get injured, San Diego has Brian Burke for the next 7 years at a price that would be a bargain at the dollar store. $93M over 7 years for a dude who just hit over .400 with a .550 OBP?

2.) I have never, ever seen a pitcher fall off as hard as Jeremy Drew has. He was getting weaker last year, but he's literally useless now. He's only marginally better than my kids in AAA ball.

3.) Did you know last year's champions also feature the league's best minor league system? Buffalo's got four Top 20 prospects in the pipeline. This is a team that may be good for a long, long time.

I was looking at team payrolls. Kind of a big difference between #1 and #24. Like an ~$140MM difference.

Just an observation.

Yeah, but you never really hear about holdouts in baseball. I'm trying to think of the last guy that refused to play until a contract was renogiated.

Burke can't hold out yet, he just signed that deal a few months ago!

pizzaddict wrote:

Yeah, but you never really hear about holdouts in baseball. I'm trying to think of the last guy that refused to play until a contract was renogiated.

True, but still, it's just an INSANELY cheap deal. It means the best player in baseball will never be making Top-10 money until well after he turns 30.

Personally, i'm trying to figure out how the team with the biggest media contract in the game is Buffalo. By $16M, no less.

BUFFALO.

Also, does anyone else like to look at Eric Lovell's contract and laugh? He's 33, injury-prone, at 3* and dropping, and is on $30M this year, signed through 2017 at a minimum when he'll be making $37M. I still think he has the league's single dumbest contract. He's never played more than 120 games, never batted over .300, but San Francisco was so desperate when they entered the league, they were willing to overpay for a guy who, if they're lucky, will manage .280 with 20 HRs and 80 RBIs.

Also, new file.

Yeah, I saw that guy in trading block and was interested until I saw that contract. There are quite a few odd contracts in this league. Is this common in OOTP13 or does it have something to do with being an online league? I've been running a solo OOTP11 league for quite a while now and the contracts aren't nearly as odd as this.

pizzaddict wrote:

Yeah, I saw that guy in trading block and was interested until I saw that contract.

Ditto, especially since Buffalo (FREAKIN' BUFFALO, I HATE YOU) poached the left fielder I was trying to sign to plug the biggest gap in my lineup.

I think the teams that have aces or offensive powerhouses for so long and so cheap have taken a pretty big risk by inking long term (think Evan Longoria) type contracts within the first few months of a kid being in the big leagues, not necessarily even proven yet. I know I did it with Francis Riley, which is why I've got him at an insane value for a few more years. I did it with Kurt Russell as well, which has been okay, but not nearly as good of a deal as Riley.

Prederick wrote:

3.) Did you know last year's champions also feature the league's best minor league system? Buffalo's got four Top 20 prospects in the pipeline. This is a team that may be good for a long, long time.

3 are SP, which Buffalo isn't really lacking and 2 are still in rookie ball, so who knows what will happen there. I don't place a lot of faith in the AI's ability to evaluate prospects, or players for that matter...it tends not to look at advanced metrics that are better predictors of future success (K/BB, FIP, GB% for pitchers, wOBA, etc for batters), and concentrate on the counting stats, for some reason.

New file!

Landshrk83 wrote:
Prederick wrote:

3.) Did you know last year's champions also feature the league's best minor league system? Buffalo's got four Top 20 prospects in the pipeline. This is a team that may be good for a long, long time.

3 are SP, which Buffalo isn't really lacking and 2 are still in rookie ball, so who knows what will happen there. I don't place a lot of faith in the AI's ability to evaluate prospects, or players for that matter...it tends not to look at advanced metrics that are better predictors of future success (K/BB, FIP, GB% for pitchers, wOBA, etc for batters), and concentrate on the counting stats, for some reason.

This is exactly why I don't care all that much that Denver has zero prospects in the top 100. Also, all my best ex-prospects are playing in the bigs now in any case.

Landshrk83 wrote:
Prederick wrote:

3.) Did you know last year's champions also feature the league's best minor league system? Buffalo's got four Top 20 prospects in the pipeline. This is a team that may be good for a long, long time.

3 are SP, which Buffalo isn't really lacking and 2 are still in rookie ball, so who knows what will happen there. I don't place a lot of faith in the AI's ability to evaluate prospects, or players for that matter...it tends not to look at advanced metrics that are better predictors of future success (K/BB, FIP, GB% for pitchers, wOBA, etc for batters), and concentrate on the counting stats, for some reason.

The AI also seems to undervalue defensive ability of fielders. I know that I've played a number of guys on my team because they are outstanding fielders, even if they aren't great batters. That complements my pitching staff well, but it does leave me at a disadvantage when it comes to my turn to bat.

FWIW, Pittsburgh has compensated for our middle-of-the-road pitching in the past few years with above-average bats (specifically with the long ball.)
Then we'd randomly get luckily with 1 or 2 guys on the pitching staff with better performance than they have rights to be.

This strategy has carried us for the past 2 seasons into the playoff with 100+ wins, but we can't seem to win the championship.

ps. I've never paid attention to anyone's defensive ability. We play big dumb baseball of yester-years

Farscry wrote:
Landshrk83 wrote:
Prederick wrote:

3.) Did you know last year's champions also feature the league's best minor league system? Buffalo's got four Top 20 prospects in the pipeline. This is a team that may be good for a long, long time.

3 are SP, which Buffalo isn't really lacking and 2 are still in rookie ball, so who knows what will happen there. I don't place a lot of faith in the AI's ability to evaluate prospects, or players for that matter...it tends not to look at advanced metrics that are better predictors of future success (K/BB, FIP, GB% for pitchers, wOBA, etc for batters), and concentrate on the counting stats, for some reason.

The AI also seems to undervalue defensive ability of fielders. I know that I've played a number of guys on my team because they are outstanding fielders, even if they aren't great batters. That complements my pitching staff well, but it does leave me at a disadvantage when it comes to my turn to bat.

I've tried to balance things out as much as I can- I value defensive ability at SS, 2B, 3B and CF a lot more than other positions, and try to get pitchers that have a really high GB% to take advantage of the defensive abilities of the infield. You can usually tell if your strategy is working by checking your pitchers' ERA vs their FIP. When I do have to pitch a flyball pitcher, I'll usually give up some defense in the infield for power and try to get better defense in the outfield.

New file! Spring training has begun!

Landshrk83 wrote:
Farscry wrote:

The AI also seems to undervalue defensive ability of fielders. I know that I've played a number of guys on my team because they are outstanding fielders, even if they aren't great batters. That complements my pitching staff well, but it does leave me at a disadvantage when it comes to my turn to bat.

I've tried to balance things out as much as I can- I value defensive ability at SS, 2B, 3B and CF a lot more than other positions, and try to get pitchers that have a really high GB% to take advantage of the defensive abilities of the infield. You can usually tell if your strategy is working by checking your pitchers' ERA vs their FIP. When I do have to pitch a flyball pitcher, I'll usually give up some defense in the infield for power and try to get better defense in the outfield.

Also, what I do look for in my batters is control rather than power. The ability to avoid strikes, hit the gap, steal bases, successfully sac bunt/fly; those are the kinds of things I want in my batting lineup rather than going for the "big hitters" (as much as possible). Generally, I take speed over power since speed is useful in both fielding and baserunning.

I want both. My best power hitter last year a) was one of catchers (who are terrible) and b) hit 21 HR last year. Only three guys hit more than 15 (IIRC). I had speed and control to spare (shoot, Denver won 93 games after all, I think we were close to the top in the league for SB) but no power. I would rather have control and speed but you also need a little pop to keep things on an even keel.

My biggest challenge during free agency was getting some more pop in the lineup.

Oh, I want both, but I've had to take an either/or approach so far.