The Great Video Game Business and Financial (In)Stability Thread

To me Game Crazy was always staffed more regularly by friendly folks (at least where I lived) and they kept the sales pitches to a minimum. Non-existent once they knew you.

They had an awesome selection of GBA and DS games (that was the time frame in which they were around / good), frequently stocking import games where I lived.

They were still a chain. I still preferred dealing with my local game store. I just have really fond memories of Game Crazy whereas I'll be pretty happy when GameStop ceases to exist.

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Jayhawker wrote:

Mostly, they offer something that is just not needed anymore. The average customer doesn't need their expertise, can find the same merchandise in other places, and when the %'s of games bought digitally began to rise, that had to begin a slide in sales at stores. Best Buy and Target can just sell other stuff and move on. Gamestores were screwed, as revenue became more scarce.

GameStop isn't needed. Local game stores are great for figuring out what the gems are if you're not plugged in online. They're the place that's likely to buy / sell games and consoles going all the way back to the 2600. It'll be sad once everything is online, IMO, and GameStop hastened that unnecessarily.

DSGamer wrote:

This isn't good news per se, but I personally relish it all the same

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They managed to hang in there long enough to put many local game stores out of business in addition to the much superior chain, Game Crazy.

I'd buy it but I didn't preorder it....

I’ll wait until I can catch GS used. It’ll be like a dollar less

Sooooo, last night a number of PC games were announced as either Epic Store exclusives or are timed exclusives (even after already being announced for Steam and Windows Store).

I'm not sure this is what people were hoping for, but it's pretty clear Epic is showing up offering devs money to come be exclusive to their store.

Gamestop is almost always cheaper than my local game store in terms of new game prices, I hardly ever buy used anymore, so I can't really comment, but the "mom and pop" local store was insanely overpriced on used stuff, that honestly I don't know how they are still open. I do have a local chain used games/movies store but their selection is usually mediocre in terms of used, usually just the usual most popular stuff.

My past few gamestop visits, I got zero hassle about preordering anything or buying used, employees seem pretty friendly too /shrug.

garion333 wrote:

Sooooo, last night a number of PC games were announced as either Epic Store exclusives or are timed exclusives (even after already being announced for Steam and Windows Store).

List?

MeatMan wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Sooooo, last night a number of PC games were announced as either Epic Store exclusives or are timed exclusives (even after already being announced for Steam and Windows Store).

List?

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...

https://gematsu.com/2018/12/supergia...

https://gematsu.com/2018/12/ashen-no... (this was listed on Steam until yesterday)

https://gematsu.com/2018/12/annapurn...

I believe there were others but those are the ones I dug up quickly on Gematsu.

Of those, Hades looks like something I would potentially buy.

Thanks for the list.

[edit]

So I installed the Epic Games Launcher, and I see that the "free games every two weeks" starts a week from today, not 2019.

Here's a screenshot:
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MeatMan wrote:

Of those, Hades looks like something I would potentially buy.

Thanks for the list.

[edit]

So I installed the Epic Games Launcher, and I see that the "free games every two weeks" starts a week from today, not 2019.

Here's a screenshot:
IMAGE(https://i.ibb.co/L14VVhX/1.jpg)

Well, they got me. I've been meaning to pick up Subnautica for a while now.

Hades has an Infinity Gauntlet!

Hades and Ashen look great!

Pathless looks great too from an artistic perspective. I don't know that it is a game I would play. (looks a little simplistic or like Shadow of the Colossus that frustrated the hell out of me)

garion333 wrote:

https://gematsu.com/2018/12/ashen-no... (this was listed on Steam until yesterday)

Ashen also launched on Xbox One last night and is available via Xbox Game Pass. It doesn't look like it's a Play Anywhere title, though.

There are indications Rage 2 is a Bethesda store/launcher exclusive on PC.

Which I don't mind from the standpoint of having to use another storefront/launcher, I mean I'm resigned to the fragmentation at this point, but it's terrible timing for them to be opening up pre-orders on their exclusive platform right after news broke that they compromised a bunch of people's personal info.

Middcore wrote:

There are indications Rage 2 is a Bethesda store/launcher exclusive on PC.

Which I don't mind from the standpoint of having to use another storefront/launcher, I mean I'm resigned to the fragmentation at this point, but it's terrible timing for them to be opening up pre-orders on their exclusive platform right after news broke that they compromised a bunch of people's personal info.

Particularly on a game that's not going to turn a lot of heads in the first place. Rage 1 seemed like a minor disaster to them, at least in terms of what they thought they were going to sell.

kazooka wrote:
Middcore wrote:

There are indications Rage 2 is a Bethesda store/launcher exclusive on PC.

Which I don't mind from the standpoint of having to use another storefront/launcher, I mean I'm resigned to the fragmentation at this point, but it's terrible timing for them to be opening up pre-orders on their exclusive platform right after news broke that they compromised a bunch of people's personal info.

Particularly on a game that's not going to turn a lot of heads in the first place. Rage 1 seemed like a minor disaster to them, at least in terms of what they thought they were going to sell.

Rage 2 looks MUCH better and has the team that made the (well regarded) Mad Max game involved. I was saying in the trailers thread I wonder if it would be better off with a different title that didn't tie it to Rage at all.

Like Borderlands 3!

Updated list of Epic Store exclusives:

Ashen, Satisfactory, Hades, Journey, The Pathless, Maneater, Rebel Galaxy Outlaw, Super Meat Boy Forever

All of them are from high quality indie devs despite the current game's name maybe not ringing a bell.

Some are known to be timed exclusives (SMB, 1 year) while others (Rebel Galaxy) are (probably) coming to other PC platforms at some point.

Has Epic said whether you can buy games for their store at third party vendors? Otherwise this feels like quite the step-back.
Also it looks like they have a loong way to go with the store itself. Couldn't even find a wishlist.

It is quite the exclusive list they have though. Like 2-4 of those are nearly guaranteed buys for me some day.

Shadout wrote:

Has Epic said whether you can buy games for their store at third party vendors? Otherwise this feels like quite the step-back.
Also it looks like they have a loong way to go with the store itself. Couldn't even find a wishlist.

It is quite the exclusive list they have though. Like 2-4 of those are nearly guaranteed buys for me some day.

Same here. I have been following Ashen for a while.

https://rebel-galaxy.com/rebel-galax...

Rebel Galaxy Outlaw will come to Steam 12 months later.

Outlaw is legit one of my Top 5 2019 releases, so this news makes me sad.

I can't fault Double Damage for their decision and sincerely wish them the best of luck on Epic's storefront.

Guess I'll be waiting for the ultimate Steam release as I always seem to be drowning in a backlog either way.

Ironically, I'd have absolutely zero issue paying at +$10 "Steam tax" to see the game day and date on the platform to both support the dev and see the game on my preferred platform, but I understand the notion is complete bananas.

Real curious how the 12% Epic cut vs. 30% Valve cut will play for indies on a new, unproven platform in addition to releasing a year later on the more dominant service where mind-share might have moved on so many months later.

Iridium884 wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

This isn't good news per se, but I personally relish it all the same

IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/p0kxo79.png)

They managed to hang in there long enough to put many local game stores out of business in addition to the much superior chain, Game Crazy.

I'd buy it but I didn't preorder it....

Captain Marvel trailer at :05 nailed it. Bye Felicia!

Gamestop has been a big part of the problem with the games industry for a long time.
It has perpetuated hive mind culture, degrading stereotypes and over-hyped and up sold less informed or uninformed consumers for decades.

Power To The Gamers.

NathanialG wrote:
Shadout wrote:

Has Epic said whether you can buy games for their store at third party vendors? Otherwise this feels like quite the step-back.
Also it looks like they have a loong way to go with the store itself. Couldn't even find a wishlist.

It is quite the exclusive list they have though. Like 2-4 of those are nearly guaranteed buys for me some day.

Same here. I have been following Ashen for a while.

So far the answer is no, but I can't find where I read that now. That's probably tied to the low % cut going to Epic.

It's absolutely one step forward, one step back. Apparently their regional pricing is a mess.

Huh, Satisfactory even had a Steam Store Page. I had it on my wishlist. They've pulled it for Epic. It's an interesting move but they have an audience that will follow them, the platform doesnt matter much.

Edit: There are a few people in an active thread saying they wont follow the move, but then gamers have a history of saying one thing and doing another.

:call of duty boycott.jpg: :p

With the difference in what Epic is paying out versus Steam, they can afford to shed some customers and still come out ahead in money made.

Iridium884 wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

This isn't good news per se, but I personally relish it all the same

IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/p0kxo79.png)

They managed to hang in there long enough to put many local game stores out of business in addition to the much superior chain, Game Crazy.

I'd buy it but I didn't preorder it....

Article in the link is from June. Any more recent updates?

fangblackbone wrote:

Gamestop has been a big part of the problem with the games industry for a long time.
It has perpetuated hive mind culture, degrading stereotypes and over-hyped and up sold less informed or uninformed consumers for decades.

I can only speak about GameStop in Ireland, but here they are all about charging significantly more for games than the recommended price. They even sell second hand games for more than the new price in other places.

It really bothers me seeing all the Mams/Dads/Grandparents walking around with their bags...

I don't have as much bad stuff to say about Gamestop (US), but I know what the hell I'm doing when I walk in there.
I remember seeing their push to sell figurines fizzle out, I don't know if that was just local or not. Those things are too damn expensive even without the markup introduced by brick and mortar retail. I still have a few though (wow the price went up on that one! As I looked over my orders from 2017 and realized I never got a book, and now it's too late to do anything about it, apparently)

I still get asked about a rewards card most of the time when I check out, but I talk to them about games and stuff and thus they like me and even without that I've been fortunate enough for them to all have been nice.
One of my two local gamestops closed down maybe a year ago? and that's disappointing cause they were definitely nice and closer. I'm kinda surprised we had two.
I do remember thinking used games could have been cheaper when I was younger.

So if Gamestop went under, then all the things publishers put forward as necessary defenses against used game sales, like season passes and pre-order bonuses and microtransactions and currency boosters, those'll all go away, right? Mission accomplished, yeah?