The Conservative War On Women

Tanglebones wrote:
Joe Walsh: ‘Advances In Science And Technology’ Have Erased Need For Abortion Exceptions

“There’s no such exception as life of the mother,” Walsh said after a debate with Democratic challenger Tammy Duckworth in Chicago. “And as far as health of the mother, same thing. With advances in science and technology, health of the mother has become a tool for abortions any time, under any reason.”

Asked if he believes there is never a medical need to perform an abortion to save a mother’s life, Walsh said: “Absolutely.”

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Tanglebones wrote:
Joe Walsh: ‘Advances In Science And Technology’ Have Erased Need For Abortion Exceptions

“There’s no such exception as life of the mother,” Walsh said after a debate with Democratic challenger Tammy Duckworth in Chicago. “And as far as health of the mother, same thing. With advances in science and technology, health of the mother has become a tool for abortions any time, under any reason.”

Asked if he believes there is never a medical need to perform an abortion to save a mother’s life, Walsh said: “Absolutely.”

What's Don Henley's position on this?

edit: Damn it. I should check the next page when I make a joke about the Eagles.

While I hate the Eagles as much as the next iconic character, it's a different Joe Walsh. This is the congressman from IL.

Tanglebones wrote:
While I hate the Eagles as much as the next iconic character, it's a different Joe Walsh. This is the congressman from IL.

Tanglebones wrote:
Joe Walsh: ‘Advances In Science And Technology’ Have Erased Need For Abortion Exceptions

“There’s no such exception as life of the mother,” Walsh said after a debate with Democratic challenger Tammy Duckworth in Chicago. “And as far as health of the mother, same thing. With advances in science and technology, health of the mother has become a tool for abortions any time, under any reason.”

Asked if he believes there is never a medical need to perform an abortion to save a mother’s life, Walsh said: “Absolutely.”

He be hatin.' Troll's gonna troll.

I actually have a hard time believing this is honest sentiment and not just hating to base-pander and grab headlines.
However, it's entirely possible that this tool has an extremely poor grasp of science-based medicine and basically considers the whole process a form of magic. Anything's possible with magical thinking.

With the disturbing number of politicians who reduce the rights and purpose of women to publicly-owned baby-making uterus-vessels, it's no wonder this kind of absurdity could actually be taken seriously as a real opinion.

Amoebic wrote:

I actually have a hard time believing this is honest sentiment and not just hating to base-pander and grab headlines.

I've been seeing a lot of speculation that this is his audition for a spot in the AM talk radio scene. His seat is in trouble, no?

Shameful and disgusting.

From GOP Senate Candidate Richard Mourdock of Indiana:

I believe life begins at conception. The only exception I have for to have an abortion is in the case of the life of the mother. I struggled with myself for a long time but I came to realize life is that gift from God, even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape. It is something that God intended to happen.

You can parse this until the end of time and there are only three options here: God intended for a woman to get raped, God intended for a woman to get raped and impregnated by her attacker, or God intended for a woman to get impregnated from a rape.

Apparently, God has now joined in on the war on women.

Disgraceful.

Phoenix Rev wrote:
Apparently, God has now joined in on the war on women.

Well the Bible is pretty OK with rape, just as long as it happens after you slaughter your enemies and sack their cities or the women doesn't scream loud enough.

Of course, following this asshat's logic, god also must be totally cool with the mass slaughter of babies since so many pregnancies end in miscarriage.

Phoenix Rev wrote:

Apparently, God has now joined in on the war on women.

Disgraceful.

Isn't it consistent with the idea of an omnipotent, omniscient god? As OG says, it's just consistent with other aspects of the world.

I'm not trying to turn this into a religious conversation - there are other threads for that - but I think we have to look at coherence as well as emotion.

It seems an especially bleak and dispiriting faith that puts God in control of everything like that. And if God intends for the rape to happen, doesn't it follow he might intend for the abortion to happen, too? If everything that happens is as he intends, why should any of us bother to do or not do anything? God's on it, who gives a sh*t?

I'm not sure how coherence matters. His notions are repellant, them being coherently repellant is cold comfort at best.

What I don't get with that world-view is why he would allow for exceptions for the health of the mother? If it was God's plan that she get raped, and get pregnant, it must also be his plan that the pregnancy go wrong and kill her.

I hate this Paternalistic-Social-Darwinism-masking-as-Jesus garbage. No, it's not just garbage, it's filth.

momgamer wrote:
What I don't get with that world-view is why he would allow for exceptions for the health of the mother? If it was God's plan that she get raped, and get pregnant, it must also be his plan that the pregnancy go wrong and kill her.

I hate this Paternalistic-Social-Darwinism-masking-as-Jesus garbage. No, it's not just garbage, it's filth.

It utterly bamboozles me that people can continue to hold faith in a God that's such a colossal asshole.

Most people are assholes, and he did make man in his image...

If valuables were stolen from his house and he went to the police for help, I wonder how he'd feel if they told him it's God's plan he lost those valuables and trying to get them back just proves he puts too much importance on material goods.

Chaz wrote:
Most people are assholes, and he did make man in his image...

C'mon, not everyone who is Christian shares this point of view.

The Conformist wrote:
Chaz wrote:
Most people are assholes, and he did make man in his image...

C'mon, not everyone who is Christian shares this point of view.

This. I am a Christian, and I assure you my God doesn't. Which is why it makes me even angrier when they use the name of Jesus to spew this kind of rhetoric.

momgamer wrote:
The Conformist wrote:
Chaz wrote:
Most people are assholes, and he did make man in his image...

C'mon, not everyone who is Christian shares this point of view.

This. I am a Christian, and I assure you my God doesn't. Which is why it makes me even angrier when they use the name of Jesus to spew this kind of rhetoric.

I'd like to think that everyone in this thread that has said something like "Why would you hold faith in a terrible God like that?" is referring to the description of God from people like Mourdock. I'd like to think they weren't generalizing for all Christians.

Only half joking, but maybe we should edit the CoC to reflect the fact that it's not necessary to assume every crack against Christianity refers to every Christian.

Seth wrote:
Only half joking, but maybe we should edit the CoC to reflect the fact that it's not necessary to assume every crack against Christianity refers to every Christian. :)

Why, some of my best friends are..

SixteenBlue wrote:
I'd like to think that everyone in this thread that has said something like "Why would you hold faith in a terrible God like that?" is referring to the description of God from people like Mourdock. I'd like to think they weren't generalizing for all Christians.

True, but I do wonder why a lot of elected officials seem to share those horrible beliefs. That they got enough votes to get in office does seem to show that they aren't exactly outliers in their beliefs.

OG_slinger wrote:
SixteenBlue wrote:
I'd like to think that everyone in this thread that has said something like "Why would you hold faith in a terrible God like that?" is referring to the description of God from people like Mourdock. I'd like to think they weren't generalizing for all Christians.

True, but I do wonder why a lot of elected officials seem to share those horrible beliefs. That they got enough votes to get in office does seem to show that they aren't exactly outliers in their beliefs.

Eh, not exactly. 11th commandment, Republican Party above else, all that crap has created a culture where people will vote for them even if they don't necessarily agree with or even like them.

I think it says more about the kind of people that want to run for office than it does about the people who vote for them. Which is sad, because that's not how democracy should work, but here we are.

SixteenBlue wrote:
momgamer wrote:
The Conformist wrote:
Chaz wrote:
Most people are assholes, and he did make man in his image...

C'mon, not everyone who is Christian shares this point of view.

This. I am a Christian, and I assure you my God doesn't. Which is why it makes me even angrier when they use the name of Jesus to spew this kind of rhetoric.

I'd like to think that everyone in this thread that has said something like "Why would you hold faith in a terrible God like that?" is referring to the description of God from people like Mourdock. I'd like to think they weren't generalizing for all Christians.

I'm quite willing to state that someone believes in a terrible, evil "God". I'm also quite willing to attest that this doesn't apply to all people of faith. There are Christians with horrible nasty beliefs, and Christians with constructive beliefs. Same goes with every faith I've learned about.

So yeah, this Mourdock(sp?) guy's god is an evil sociopath. But I'd like to think that most Christians don't believe in the same concept of a god as this waste of genetic material does.

Farscry wrote:
But I'd like to think that most Christians don't believe in the same concept of a god as this waste of genetic material does.

We'll know for sure in 13 days, but the polls have him up five points over his rival.

OG_slinger wrote:
Farscry wrote:
But I'd like to think that most Christians don't believe in the same concept of a god as this waste of genetic material does.

We'll know for sure in 13 days, but the polls have him up five points over his rival.

*brain ragequits*

The Conformist wrote:
C'mon, not everyone who is Christian shares this point of view.

Heh, from that username, that ends up being (unintentionally) rather amusing.

We know not every Christian agrees, because there's a pretty high percentage of Christians right here in this thread, yet the disdain is universal.

edit: But, as OG's pointing out with the voting figures, it's apparent than an awful lot of them must agree.

Demosthenes wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:
Farscry wrote:
But I'd like to think that most Christians don't believe in the same concept of a god as this waste of genetic material does.

We'll know for sure in 13 days, but the polls have him up five points over his rival.

*brain ragequits*

Is his rival a Democrat? Republican party trumps God here.

SixteenBlue wrote:
Is his rival a Democrat? Republican party trumps God here.

Or we can just accept that a lot of conservative Christians don't really have Christian values...

It is getting old keeping up the charade that the GOP is a reasonable political group made up primarily of rational moderates who are fiscally conservative that just so happens to have this tiny group of very vocal people who follow a rigid ideology that is seeming invulnerable to facts and evidence, who are spendthrifts, and who--in complete contradiction of their supposed Christian values--almost always place the individual above the group.

OG_slinger wrote:
SixteenBlue wrote:
Is his rival a Democrat? Republican party trumps God here.

Or we can just assume that a lot of conservative Christians don't really have Christian values...

It is getting old keeping up the charade that the GOP is a reasonable political group made up primarily of rational moderates who are fiscally conservative that just so happens to have this tiny group of very vocal people who follow a rigid ideology that is seeming invulnerable to facts and evidence, who are spendthrifts, and who--in complete contradiction of their supposed Christian values--almost always place the individual above the group.

FTFY.

I agree, there are a lot of total nutballs in the GOP. But they also live by a code where they're not allowed to criticize each other. And the nutballs are always the loudest. It's an awful system that allows terrible people to thrive, but it doesn't mean every one of them believes it.

Ironically, they do the put the group above the individual. Unfortunately that group is their own political party and not human beings in general.

SixteenBlue wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:
SixteenBlue wrote:
Is his rival a Democrat? Republican party trumps God here.

Or we can just assume that a lot of conservative Christians don't really have Christian values...

It is getting old keeping up the charade that the GOP is a reasonable political group made up primarily of rational moderates who are fiscally conservative that just so happens to have this tiny group of very vocal people who follow a rigid ideology that is seeming invulnerable to facts and evidence, who are spendthrifts, and who--in complete contradiction of their supposed Christian values--almost always place the individual above the group.

FTFY.

I agree, there are a lot of total nutballs in the GOP. But they also live by a code where they're not allowed to criticize each other. And the nutballs are always the loudest. It's an awful system that allows terrible people to thrive, but it doesn't mean every one of them believes it.

Ironically, they do the put the group above the individual. Unfortunately that group is their own political party and not human beings in general.

I'm not assuming anything, Sixteen. I'm going off of the available evidence.

Please, point out the hordes of reasonable conservative Christians who are pushing back against the crazier elements of the their party. I think you'll find that they were branded RINOs in 2008 and 2010 and were drummed out of the GOP.

I'd really love to believe that there's a silent majority of reasonable, moderate conservatives voters out there. Who knows? This may be the election where old school Republicans finally say enough is enough and vote for the other guy instead. But the evidence is that conservative voters genuinely like those total nutballs and want them to be in power.

OG_slinger wrote:
SixteenBlue wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:
SixteenBlue wrote:
Is his rival a Democrat? Republican party trumps God here.

Or we can just assume that a lot of conservative Christians don't really have Christian values...

It is getting old keeping up the charade that the GOP is a reasonable political group made up primarily of rational moderates who are fiscally conservative that just so happens to have this tiny group of very vocal people who follow a rigid ideology that is seeming invulnerable to facts and evidence, who are spendthrifts, and who--in complete contradiction of their supposed Christian values--almost always place the individual above the group.

FTFY.

I agree, there are a lot of total nutballs in the GOP. But they also live by a code where they're not allowed to criticize each other. And the nutballs are always the loudest. It's an awful system that allows terrible people to thrive, but it doesn't mean every one of them believes it.

Ironically, they do the put the group above the individual. Unfortunately that group is their own political party and not human beings in general.

I'm not assuming anything, Sixteen. I'm going off of the available evidence.

Please, point out the hordes of reasonable conservative Christians who are pushing back against the crazier elements of the their party. I think you'll find that they were branded RINOs in 2008 and 2010 and were drummed out of the GOP.

I'd really love to believe that there's a silent majority of reasonable, moderate conservatives voters out there. Who knows? This may be the election where old school Republicans finally say enough is enough and vote for the other guy instead. But the evidence is that conservative voters genuinely like those total nutballs and want them to be in power.

Are you reading what I'm saying? I said they're NOT pushing back. Because you don't push back against your own party.

But if you want evidence of reasonable conservatives, look at GWJ.