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Roko's Basilisk falls apart on 2 basic premises:

1. There's no benefit to the AI torturing people who didn't help create it.

2. The video only touches briefly on the topic of torture, but one of the peculiar foundations to Roko's Basilisk is that it may not be able to torture you so it creates a simulation of you and tortures the simulation. Again, as stated in point 1, there's no benefit to doing this, but additionally a simulation of you is not you. But there are people who at the original site who believe otherwise, that a simulation of you is you.

LessWrong holds that the human mind is implemented entirely as patterns of information in physical matter, and that those patterns could, in principle, be run elsewhere and constitute a person that feels they are you, like running a computer program with all its data on a different PC; this is held to be both a meaningful concept and physically possible.

This is not unduly strange (the concept follows from materialism, though feasibility is another matter), but Yudkowsky further holds that you should feel that another instance of you is not a separate person very like you — an instant twin, but immediately diverging — but actually the same you, since no particular instance is distinguishable as "the original." You should behave and feel concerning this copy as you do about your very own favourite self, the thing that intuitively satisfies the concept "you". One instance is a computation, a process that executes "you", not an object that contains, and is, the only "true" "you".

This conception of identity appears to have originated on the Extropians mailing list, which Yudkowsky frequented, in the 1990s, in discussions of continuity of identity in a world where minds could be duplicated.

It may be helpful to regard holding this view as, in principle, an arbitrary choice, in situations like this — but a choice which would give other beings with the power to create copies of you considerable power over you. Many of those adversely affected by the basilisk idea do seem to hold this conception of identity.

However, if one does not hold this view, the entire premise of Roko's Basilisk becomes meaningless, as you do not feel the torture of the simulated you, thus making the punishment irrelevant, and giving the hypothetical basilisk no incentive to proceed with the torture.

Let's say that a perfect duplicate of me is me. Once the basilisk starts torturing it, it's no longer a perfect duplicate of me because that never happened to the real me (who is dead anyway in this hypothetical).

(Of course you could argue that "me" right now is a simulation and 2020 is the torture.)

BadKen wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

Are they doing it all as one movie?

Two movies. Haven't read any plans to go beyond the first book.

Villeneuve doesn't strike me as a big giant franchise kinda guy, so prepare to be disappointed five years from now if the movies continue with someone else at the helm.

A disappointing continuation years later with someone else at the helm? That's very faithful to the books.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Let's say that a perfect duplicate of me is me. Once the basilisk starts torturing it, it's no longer a perfect duplicate of me because that never happened to the real me (who is dead anyway in this hypothetical).

(Of course you could argue that "me" right now is a simulation and 2020 is the torture.)

You only don't understand it because you are the torture.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
BadKen wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

Are they doing it all as one movie?

Two movies. Haven't read any plans to go beyond the first book.

Villeneuve doesn't strike me as a big giant franchise kinda guy, so prepare to be disappointed five years from now if the movies continue with someone else at the helm.

A disappointing continuation years later with someone else at the helm? That's very faithful to the books.

Honestly, I felt the continuation of the Dune saga had started to get disappointing even before someone else took over.

The Dune trilogy certainly gets weirder and far more philosophical as it goes, and the first book is not light reading.

I never made it very far into the second trilogy. Only made it a few chapters into God-Emperor. I just couldn't relate. (Whereas Fremen, Guild Navigators, Mentats, and the Bene Gesserit are totally relatable...)

I can't recall the last time, if ever, I read anything positive about the posthumous Dune books.

I caught onto Kyle Hill from his older channel “Because Science” and disliked it but it grew to be a kind of pain regimen to watch.

BadKen wrote:

The Dune trilogy certainly gets weirder and far more philosophical as it goes, and the first book is not light reading.

I never made it very far into the second trilogy. Only made it a few chapters into God-Emperor. I just couldn't relate. (Whereas Fremen, Guild Navigators, Mentats, and the Bene Gesserit are totally relatable...)

I can't recall the last time, if ever, I read anything positive about the posthumous Dune books.

Same here. I think Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are both excellent, but it really lost me at God Emperor.

DSGamer wrote:
BadKen wrote:

The Dune trilogy certainly gets weirder and far more philosophical as it goes, and the first book is not light reading.

I never made it very far into the second trilogy. Only made it a few chapters into God-Emperor. I just couldn't relate. (Whereas Fremen, Guild Navigators, Mentats, and the Bene Gesserit are totally relatable...)

I can't recall the last time, if ever, I read anything positive about the posthumous Dune books.

Same here. I think Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are both excellent, but it really lost me at God Emperor.

Y'all didn't even make it to the really weird stuff. I basically forced myself to read the last few books. Chapterhouse: Dune wasn't great and the other two were worse, but had some interesting ideas.

Rykin wrote:
DSGamer wrote:
BadKen wrote:

The Dune trilogy certainly gets weirder and far more philosophical as it goes, and the first book is not light reading.

I never made it very far into the second trilogy. Only made it a few chapters into God-Emperor. I just couldn't relate. (Whereas Fremen, Guild Navigators, Mentats, and the Bene Gesserit are totally relatable...)

I can't recall the last time, if ever, I read anything positive about the posthumous Dune books.

Same here. I think Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are both excellent, but it really lost me at God Emperor.

Y'all didn't even make it to the really weird stuff. I basically forced myself to read the last few books. Chapterhouse: Dune wasn't great and the other two were worse, but had some interesting ideas.

I don't think I ever read past the first book.

But wait, there's more:

It's amazing how much I liked the 2000 Dune and its sequel but now 20 years later can barely remember any of the details unique to that adaptation.

Rat Boy wrote:

It's amazing how much I liked the 2000 Dune and its sequel but now 20 years later can barely remember any of the details unique to that adaptation.

The 2000 tv show was exceptionally faithful to the book, but the acting and set designs were utter sh*t.

ranalin wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

It's amazing how much I liked the 2000 Dune and its sequel but now 20 years later can barely remember any of the details unique to that adaptation.

The 2000 tv show was exceptionally faithful to the book, but the acting and set designs were utter sh*t.

The CGI was never good and it has aged very badly.

omg... people need to let this go

Villeneuve has already said this was intentional as well as the Pink Floyd track as an homage to Jodorowsky and Lynch.

Butthole worms.

Let what go? Personally I just liked the comparison between the two versions I didn't mean to offend anyone.

I will say I find the costume direction cooler in the original version. The blockyness of the shield fighting was somehow cooler to me

farley3k wrote:

Let what go? Personally I just liked the comparison between the two versions I didn't mean to offend anyone.

Wasn't directed at you, but at the internet in general. My feed has been filled with the back/forth on the comparisons between the two. The beats from the trailer line up intentionally, and the rest is going to be similar because they're telling the same story.

The rest is just personal preference. For me the new shields, fremen suits, and things we've seen so far line up better with what i had imagined from the books.

No worries.

I would imagine the number of debates about which is better/truer to the books/etc. will rage for years.

I will say then didn't show the sparing machine in the new one and that was one thing that was terrible in the original. It looked dumb and clunky. I am interested to see how they do or don't do that.