jrralls wrote:Today I...
Drove kids to school: 30 Minutes
Drove home: 30 Minutes.
Drove to pick up kids: 30 minutes.
Drove to costume shop: 15 minutes
Drove to Trunk or Treat party: 15 minutes
Drove home: 20 minutes.
Drove to social even: 30 minutes.
Drove home.Total driving time: 170 minutes
Today I also...
Played Mario Odyssey for 28 minutes.If I had a self-driving car, the amount of time I would have played Mario Odyssey today:
198 minutes.Sorry, but I can't help but have the reaction that the true problem that's limiting your time playing video games is the fact that you have kids. Or maybe that you should have waited a lot longer to have kids, you know, when self-driving cars are common.
For the record, this comment is only partially serious. ;)
Kids may be the ultimate reason he was in a car, but if he had a self-driving car that extra 170 minutes could have been spent playing video games with his kids.
jrralls wrote:Today I...
Drove kids to school: 30 Minutes
Drove home: 30 Minutes.
Drove to pick up kids: 30 minutes.
Drove to costume shop: 15 minutes
Drove to Trunk or Treat party: 15 minutes
Drove home: 20 minutes.
Drove to social even: 30 minutes.
Drove home.Total driving time: 170 minutes
Today I also...
Played Mario Odyssey for 28 minutes.If I had a self-driving car, the amount of time I would have played Mario Odyssey today:
198 minutes.Sorry, but I can't help but have the reaction that the true problem that's limiting your time playing video games is the fact that you have kids.
That and living 30 minutes from the school!
I agree, can't wait for self driving cars.
MeatMan wrote:jrralls wrote:Today I...
Drove kids to school: 30 Minutes
Drove home: 30 Minutes.
Drove to pick up kids: 30 minutes.
Drove to costume shop: 15 minutes
Drove to Trunk or Treat party: 15 minutes
Drove home: 20 minutes.
Drove to social even: 30 minutes.
Drove home.Total driving time: 170 minutes
Today I also...
Played Mario Odyssey for 28 minutes.If I had a self-driving car, the amount of time I would have played Mario Odyssey today:
198 minutes.Sorry, but I can't help but have the reaction that the true problem that's limiting your time playing video games is the fact that you have kids.
That and living 30 minutes from the school
Thankfully this is the last year of that. I have a five and a seven-year-old, but they were both born in September so while one just started public school, and that school is 80% of the reason we purchased our house where we did, the other still goes to the only Montessori school in the area, which is a 30 minutes drive from our house. Next year I’ll go from 30 minutes to get them to school, to less than five. Sooooo looking forward to that.
Hmmm... I wonder if self driving cars will have a knock off affects on who goes to what schools? Probably part of the general trend of allowing people to have more mobility, but I wonder how that will affect school specifically?
I went to a magnet school in high school in which the bus trip was over an hour each way. My mom would get so mad on the rare occasion that I missed the bus because then she would need to spend at least 30 extra minutes driving me to school!
It really would be nice to get all the time back that we spend on driving and being able to use it more productively or for something that is actually fun.
Why Waiting for Perfect Autonomous Vehicles May Cost Lives
It might sound counterintuitive that waiting for safer cars would save fewer lives. But the most important factor is time. Kalra and Groves’s research shows that putting the cars on the road sooner—even if they're not perfect—can save more lives and improve the cars’ performance more quickly than waiting for perfection.
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“This tool helps change the conversation from one focused on how safe the cars are when they’re introduced to one that considers how even small safety advantages now can grow into the future—saving lives along the way,” Groves said. “It helps us ask a better question: What should we do today so that over time autonomous vehicles become as safe as possible as quickly as possible without sacrificing lives to get there?"
Why Waiting for Perfect Autonomous Vehicles May Cost Lives
It might sound counterintuitive that waiting for safer cars would save fewer lives. But the most important factor is time. Kalra and Groves’s research shows that putting the cars on the road sooner—even if they're not perfect—can save more lives and improve the cars’ performance more quickly than waiting for perfection.
[...]
“This tool helps change the conversation from one focused on how safe the cars are when they’re introduced to one that considers how even small safety advantages now can grow into the future—saving lives along the way,” Groves said. “It helps us ask a better question: What should we do today so that over time autonomous vehicles become as safe as possible as quickly as possible without sacrificing lives to get there?"
Precisely what I have been saying.
Even if self driving cars murder 15,000 Americans every year, you would still have saved the lives of 20,000 compared to letting humans continue to drive.
Even if self driving cars murder 15,000 Americans every year, you would still have saved the lives of 20,000 compared to letting humans continue to drive.
And you'll have shifted the blame for those 15,000 to a very small number of risk-averse (not to people -
to themselves) companies.
(In Manitoba) We have, what they call, "no-fault insurance" - you pay the deductible if you're the 'cause' but removes the 'blame'. All payouts are (mostly) pre-determined.
That feels like a reasonable direction for self-driving cars. I'm 99% sure the AI will still be a better driver than 99.999% of human drivers.
My coworker just said "If you want to know how I feel about self driving cars, talk to a gun owner. You'll get my keys when you can pry them from my cold, dead hands."
My coworker just said "If you want to know how I feel about self driving cars, talk to a gun owner. You'll get my keys when you can pry them from my cold, dead hands."
Let me guess - they're an "above average" driver?
I think the personal side of it is going to be way more difficult than the technical side for this very reason. Side note, today I'm going to the state capital to join a legislative working group on emerging technologies. Should be eye opening at the very least.
Paleocon wrote:My coworker just said "If you want to know how I feel about self driving cars, talk to a gun owner. You'll get my keys when you can pry them from my cold, dead hands."
Let me guess - they're an "above average" driver?
I think the personal side of it is going to be way more difficult than the technical side for this very reason. Side note, today I'm going to the state capital to join a legislative working group on emerging technologies. Should be eye opening at the very least.
She complains about other drivers a lot, but isn't particularly good.
I have a rule. Unless you have taken some sort of advanced driving course and spent some time on a closed track to understand edge limit driving dynamics, you don't get to say you are an "excellent driver".
I have a rule. Unless you have taken some sort of advanced driving course and spent some time on a closed track to understand edge limit driving dynamics, you don't get to say you are an "excellent driver".
Unless you're rain man.
My coworker just said "If you want to know how I feel about self driving cars, talk to a gun owner. You'll get my keys when you can pry them from my cold, dead hands."
That is fine. When my insurance is covered by the manufacturer and she is playing 4-5 thousand a year herself because human drivers are a huge risk I think she will feel her fingers unclenching from those keys.
With guns you can't make it too expensive to own because of lobbying but driving and owning a car isn't a right so the insurance companies can fleece the hell out of those who want to drive.
Paleocon wrote:My coworker just said "If you want to know how I feel about self driving cars, talk to a gun owner. You'll get my keys when you can pry them from my cold, dead hands."
That is fine. When my insurance is covered by the manufacturer and she is playing 4-5 thousand a year herself because human drivers are a huge risk I think she will feel her fingers unclenching from those keys.
With guns you can't make it too expensive to own because of lobbying but driving and owning a car isn't a right so the insurance companies can fleece the hell out of those who want to drive.
I told her that she is welcome to drive her car on a closed track, but my life and health is not collateral damage for her "driving enjoyment".
She's not talking to me.
My coworker just said "If you want to know how I feel about self driving cars, talk to a gun owner. You'll get my keys when you can pry them from my cold, dead hands."
Perfect. EMT's already have a big hydraulic set of pliers for doing that right there at the scene of the accident.
I have a rule. Unless you have taken some sort of advanced driving course and spent some time on a closed track to understand edge limit driving dynamics, you don't get to say you are an "excellent driver".
I imagine it would be shipping/trucking that is 'first'. Trucks that can stay on the road 24/7 (minus pit-stops to recharge, and maintenance) - fantastic!
ActualDragon wrote:Paleocon wrote:My coworker just said "If you want to know how I feel about self driving cars, talk to a gun owner. You'll get my keys when you can pry them from my cold, dead hands."
Let me guess - they're an "above average" driver?
She complains about other drivers a lot, but isn't particularly good.
See, "above average." Called it. 
I imagine it would be shipping/trucking that is 'first'. Trucks that can stay on the road 24/7 (minus pit-stops to recharge, and maintenance) - fantastic!
I think the trucks will still have a person to handle the logistics for a few years after they go autonomous. Warehouses (aside from Amazon probably) are still pretty low tech and mistakes get made a lot with loading and unloading. Having someone whose job it is to visually confirm the right thing is there and to load unload in certain cases will be difficult to get rid of.
My coworker just said "If you want to know how I feel about self driving cars, talk to a gun owner. You'll get my keys when you can pry them from my cold, dead hands."
Fortunately, there is no constitutional amendment for cars or car keys.
I imagine it would be shipping/trucking that is 'first'. Trucks that can stay on the road 24/7 (minus pit-stops to recharge, and maintenance) - fantastic!
To farley's point about the $4000 insurance, I suspect it will go similarly to the vaccine exemptions Australia passed. They made it so that you forfeit $2000 in tax credit if you fail to vaccinate. Suddenly all those folks with 'diehard principles' dried up.
Something interesting I hadn't really considered before - self driving cars as mobile shopping/vending machines:
Once autonomous vehicles are cheap, safe, and plentiful, retail and logistics companies could buy up millions, seeing that cars can be stores and streets are the ultimate real estate. In fact, self-driving cars could make shopping space nearly obsolete in some areas. CVS could have hundreds of self-driving minivans stocked with merchandise roving the suburbs all day and night, ready to be summoned to somebody’s home by smartphone. A new luxury-watch brand in 2025 might not spring for an Upper East Side storefront, but maybe its autonomous showroom vehicle could circle the neighborhood, waiting to be summoned to the doorstep of a tony apartment building. Autonomous retail will create new conveniences and traffic headaches, require new regulations, and inspire new business strategies that could take even more businesses out of commercial real estate. The future of retail could be even weirder yet.
I was reading about a European startup that intends to use a large self-driving truck as a mobile grocery store for rural communities. People stock the trucks at a central space. They send it out to the rural villages for X hours and then it comes back to repeat.
Using the food truck model for retail seems reasonable. Turn a parking lot into a pop up mall for a few hours.
Something interesting I hadn't really considered before - self driving cars as mobile shopping/vending machines:
Once autonomous vehicles are cheap, safe, and plentiful, retail and logistics companies could buy up millions, seeing that cars can be stores and streets are the ultimate real estate. In fact, self-driving cars could make shopping space nearly obsolete in some areas. CVS could have hundreds of self-driving minivans stocked with merchandise roving the suburbs all day and night, ready to be summoned to somebody’s home by smartphone. A new luxury-watch brand in 2025 might not spring for an Upper East Side storefront, but maybe its autonomous showroom vehicle could circle the neighborhood, waiting to be summoned to the doorstep of a tony apartment building. Autonomous retail will create new conveniences and traffic headaches, require new regulations, and inspire new business strategies that could take even more businesses out of commercial real estate. The future of retail could be even weirder yet.
One thing that should always be considered is fuel cost. This model may be viable once the first world has switched over to 100% renewable energy. But even then it’s a bit like bringing the mountain to Moses.
What I think is a more likely business model, is one where you would order an item online, and then a few hours later you would get an alert to go out to the autonomous vehicle, which would be just outside your home, and collect your purchase. It would be an incredibly efficient model in dense urban areas.
I'm working on a car capable of evaluating arbitrarily complex boolean expressions on "honk if [...]" bumper stickers and responding accordingly.
I'm working on a car capable of evaluating arbitrarily complex boolean expressions on "honk if [...]" bumper stickers and responding accordingly.
Looking forward to the eventual "self-driving car" category on PornHub.
farley3k wrote:
I'm working on a car capable of evaluating arbitrarily complex boolean expressions on "honk if [...]" bumper stickers and responding accordingly.Looking forward to the eventual "dragon/self-driving car" category on PornHub.
FTFY
They'll still have to use private parking areas. You can't have CVS and local pharmacy cars sharing a parking lot waiting for calls, or you're going to end up with people putting up visual barriers to stop their competition from taking calls. This will take thought and legislation to get right.
The person who invents a rapidly deployable, harmless automated car stopper (perhaps a pair of inflatable rocks with CO2 inflators) will briefly capitalize on this market, before being shot down in flames by lawsuits and new laws. But it *will* be a problem for a while. Picture demonstrators rushing out into a set of intersections in a busy downtown to deploy these things to shut down traffic.
At a minimum, emergency services vehicles will be the last to automate.
Anheuser-Busch orders 40 Tesla trucks
Hell, *I* want one of those trucks.
It's so beautiful!
It doesn't have any self driving features does it? At least they didn't talk about any (that I heard, my stream had major cut outs) during the announce in front of a crowd full of truckers.
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