In an attempt to head off the massive derail in the DNC emerging-rift thread, I think we probably need to have a place for this conversation to happen.
The backstory: cheeba made an offhand assertion that capitalism is what made this country great.
cheeba[/url]]The left has been extremely successful going after youth. If they don't understand that capitalism is what made this country great, then I am worried.
Jonman asked for cheeba to make that argument.
And there's the problem. The left has been extremely successful going after youth. If they don't understand that capitalism is what made this country great, then I am worried.
Firstly a citation that shows that this country is "great", then another one that shows that it's because of capitalism.
Which is to say, if you believe your own rhetoric, then you should be worried. Because your underlying hypothesis, that it's the self-evident truth that America is great thanks to capitalism is seriously, seriously flawed.
This was the response.
cheeba[/url]]Are you seriously questioning whether the country that invented the internet, that put a man on the moon (famously beating socialists, none of which have been capable of performing this feat, over 40 years now since we did it), is great? Or that it was capitalism behind what are most of mankind's greatest inventions? The assembly line? The Wright brothers? Edison?
Folks have already pointed out that the space race and the internet are somewhat problematic examples of capitalism making this country great, to say nothing of Orville Wright's views on the role a profit motive played in his most-famous invention.
But, since the topic won't die gracefully, and is swamping a thread that I feel had the potential for interesting conversation, I'm creating this topic.
Folks who feel that capitalism made this country great, this thread is for you.
Let's define terms. First, what is a great country - most economically powerful? Militarily? Technologically? (There seemed also to be some hinting that "freedom" was a useful metric - if you feel that's the case, please also define what you mean by freedom, as it applies to your argument).
Next up, what is "capitalism" as it applies to this discussion? Unregulated free markets? Any economic system providing for private ownership? Does the existence of investment tools like stock exchanges play a role?
Then, make the case for why capitalism made this country great. Please show your work - simply enumerating achievements isn't really sufficient for showing a causal relationship here.
Of note: cheeba never specified in the other thread, but given the achievements he listed, I feel safe assuming that "this country" is the United States, for the purposes of our discussion. I'll look to him for correction if that assumption is off-base.
Also: I'd like to plead for us all to make room for dissenting opinions and reasonable debate. As long as people are attempting to engage in good faith, they deserve our patience and willingness to hear out their arguments.