Good Lord guys.
I am NOT trying to discuss anything related to Christ, Christianity, or to lead anywhere at all in that direction, and would like it best if everyone please stop doing that!
Stop wrecking your own thread by preemptively ganging up on the theist. Stop trying to make the thread into a theist vs. atheist thing.
Sheesh.
Alrighty. Back to point.
It seems to me that in the poll where atheists were strongly being discriminated against, it also ranked Buddhists and similar such movements, even though Buddhists could also be atheists.
Does it afford an atheist any kind of protection to profess to practice Buddhist philosophy, especially if it were true? Would that just make it worse?
Farscry wrote:Also, I'm disappointed that this thread has turned into the same old crappy "theism versus atheism" debate. It was far more interesting before that point.
I asked theists to let us have this 1 thread and some couldn't. Draw your own conclusions on the state of atheists from that, if you will.
I think there's some confusion with the thread title. Maybe it would be better to name it "Fellow Atheists/Agnostic Athiests - Let's Chat: Do You Feel Being "Out" is Risky These Days?" to make it more clear.
DSGamer:
I've gotten to the question, it's posted in the post above yours. If you'll notice, it's not me dispensing wisdom. It is not me telling you how intolerant America is. It's me asking if an atheist could reduce his risks by being more open with a possibly more acceptable guise, which is still truthful, and which is consistent with his atheism.
I hope you find it useful.
It's me asking if an atheist could reduce his risks by being more open with a possibly more acceptable guise.
I hope you find it useful.
Really? It would be best if atheists just pretended to be theists? Are you really suggesting that instead of being honest about ourselves, we should pretend to be something else? This is the kind of theist-vs-athiest tactics that got the other thread shut down. LarryC, I appreciate your thoughts, but I would like to get back to the thread's original discussion and have it be an athiest/agnostic athiest thread from athiests/agnostic athiests and not patronizing theists.
No. It's an honest question. If you really believe in certain aspects of Buddhist philosophy, and it'd get you out of a rough spot, would it not be better to be "categorized" as a Buddhist, instead? It can be a way to lessen the hostility.
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No. It's an honest question. If you really believe in certain aspects of Buddhist philosophy, and it'd get you out of a rough spot, would it not be better to be "categorized" as a Buddhist, instead? It can be a way to lessen the hostility.
KrazyTaco[FO]:
That is the entire basis of my earlier question. Do Americans consider Buddhists to be theists? I don't. More to the point, do American Atheists consider Buddhists to be theists? It was frustrating to have had it derailed so much into theism vs. atheism again.
Farscry wrote:Also, I'm disappointed that this thread has turned into the same old crappy "theism versus atheism" debate. It was far more interesting before that point.
I tried, but...
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU to follow any theist that posts all the way to Cleveland.
Guys, if you all think a certain line of questioning doesn't belong in a thread, why not just...not respond to that person?
Or else respond to them in another thread?
Don't want to sound like I'm blaming the victim here, but it seems as much as everyone hates these kind of arguments...people can't help themselves. Why not shunt them into another thread?
Here--I'll create it: http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/1...
See a post you think doesn't belong in the thread you're in and is better discussed over there? Respond over there and drop a link in the thread you feel is going off the rails. Maybe that'll help.
Gonna ask more people to use that script. Stone gives good advice.
LarryC, you're reminding me of this guy I work with who, if you make the mistake of saying something beyond the scope of "good morning" or "hey", will follow you back to your office and then stand in the doorway for thirty minutes talking about whatever he feels like while you become increasingly obvious in your desire to end the conversation. You can fully turn your back to him and start working on your computer and the guy just will not get the hint and stop talking.
He will not. Get. The. Hint.
Why lie about Buddhism? Life would certainly be easier for atheists if we just picked the things we liked from Christianity and called ourselves good Christians.
Apologies for my part in that derail. LarryC was approaching a point that I find extremely interesting and it runs counter to the intent of this thread. The problem is that the point isn't an interesting topic by itself since it requires bunches of background work. The point is where parallels about others are highlighted while the same parallels about oneself are ignored. Sadly LarryC couldn't see the hilarity in his pointing out the fragmented nature of Buddhist beliefs as a person of the Catholic persuasion.
My PM box is always open. Often ignored, but always open.
Edit: On second thought, nevermind.
Rezzy:
I would not consider it lying.
Consider. If you tell the theist that you don't believe in any god, well, you know how that goes. They'll just assume all kinds of weird crap about you anyway. If you tell them that you practice certain Buddhist philosophies, they'll still assume all kinds of weird crap about you, but they'll treat you a little better.
In neither case are they really getting an understanding of what you believe in, anyway. It's not about telling the truth. It's about exchanging one set of weird assumptions in a fanatic's head with another set of weird assumptions.
Larry, this is the commiseration thread, not the thread about how to pass as something 'acceptable'.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
A) You are not atheist;
B) You are not American.
You are giving advice to a group you're not a member of, on how to get along in a society you're not a member of.
That takes some serious gall, right there.
So, in other words, they should go in the closet.
Ask the gay guy how well that works.
So, in other words, they should go in the closet.
Ask the gay guy how well that works.
Do we get to grow fabulous atheist beards? Will I suddenly learn how to dance?
Rezzy:
I would not consider it lying.
Consider. If you tell the theist that you don't believe in any god, well, you know how that goes. They'll just assume all kinds of weird crap about you anyway. If you tell them that you practice certain Buddhist philosophies, they'll still assume all kinds of weird crap about you, but they'll treat you a little better.
In neither case are they really getting an understanding of what you believe in, anyway. It's not about telling the truth. It's about exchanging one set of weird assumptions in a fanatic's head with another set of weird assumptions.
Larry, I refrained from calling you out in the last thread, and I have so far refrained from doing so in this one. Congratulations: you've finally overwhelmed my general aversion to confrontation. You are a large part (though clearly not solely responsible) for the previous thread being locked, and you seem to be doing you damnedest to do the same to this one. Cut it out. Bow out of this thread. Please.
So, in other words, they should go in the closet.
Ask the gay guy how well that works.
Just tell people you that you practice certain Greek philosophies.
I'm already in the atheism closet as far as my family goes. It sucks. It's sort-of self-imposed right now, with good reason, but I can't be the person I actually am around them. My family would be just as perturbed and upset if I were to claim Buddhism instead of atheism. Why lie twice?
Hell, when my sister left the church they nearly booted her out of the house and she left for another Christian denomination.
I will tell them one day, hopefully soon. And it may seem like I could avoid a lot of trouble by keeping to myself the thoughts that go on in my head, but I am really just trading one set of problems for another.
If we're going to start adopting atheists beards this is my vote.
Damn, I didn't get the good pattern of facial hair when I went atheist. I can grow a fine goatee, and I could become the world's leading Unix admin if I ever grow out the epic-level neckbeard I am capable of producing, but the cheek-sideburn connection never really developed.
Larry, this is the commiseration thread, not the thread about how to pass as something 'acceptable'.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
A) You are not atheist;
B) You are not American.You are giving advice to a group you're not a member of, on how to get along in a society you're not a member of.
That takes some serious gall, right there.
(too far?)
I'm not sure whether light is worse than heavy. I have the cheek-sideburn connection covered. But the rest of the ski-mask area is also taken care of, which means plenty of shaving if I would want to maintain the serious atheist beard of the man above.
(So instead I wear a standard mirror-universe-style evil goatee and moustache: Right down to the reddish color. Although the fact that it's redder than my hair is... not as obvious as it was back when I had hair.)
Yeah. Because pretending to be gentiles worked out so well for the Jews.
I believe you were talking about the various intricacies of GA, AA, GMC and other such acronyms, though the beard topic appears to be well-accepted.
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