Fellow Atheists/Agnostic Atheists - Let's Chat: Do you feel it is risky being "out" these days?

KrazyTacoFO wrote:
Kraint wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

No deal. Has to be in the pews and the dude in the robes has to have a two drink head start on the congregation. Oh, and none of this gods crap either.

I'm in.

I'm in too. But I think you just described a brew pub.

We'll make our own religion, with beer and sausages! In fact, forget the religion!

muttonchop wrote:
KrazyTacoFO wrote:
Kraint wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

No deal. Has to be in the pews and the dude in the robes has to have a two drink head start on the congregation. Oh, and none of this gods crap either.

I'm in.

I'm in too. But I think you just described a brew pub.

We'll make our own religion, with beer and sausages! In fact, forget the religion!

Can I have gin and tonics instead?

Splitter!
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muttonchop wrote:

Splitter!
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Do you know how long I've been skimming this thread hoping to see exactly that reference? Man, if my wife liked or got Monty Python, I'd go home and watch that right now.

So apparently, it's the "well, I'm going to say Merry Christmas, not Happy Holidays" time of year again.

At least I can say "happy holidays" without getting self-righteous about it.

Katy wrote:

So apparently, it's the "well, I'm going to say Merry Christmas, not Happy Holidays" time of year again.

At least I can say "happy holidays" without getting self-righteous about it.

Having grown up in Detroit, an area with a heavy population of Jews and Muslims in addition to ubiquitous X-ians, I had grown up figuring Happy Holidays just made a handy catch all for local businesses and people.

I have yet to meet the Jew or Muslim offended by a Merry Christmas, or a Happy Easter. But I figured Happy Holidays and decorations of the like were to be more efficient in catering to all three. Then as the Holiday Season became extended from November into January. I figured it was a good way to encompass Happy Thanksgiving, Enjoyable Religious Observance, and a Happy New Year. You are killing about 6 birds there.

But I have noticed a ponderously large number of X-ians offended by anything but Merry X-mas. I just figure that is one of those things that if you stress out over will lead to a tumor or an aneurysm, so the problem will fix itself.

Katy wrote:

So apparently, it's the "well, I'm going to say Merry Christmas, not Happy Holidays" time of year again.

It's always nice when assholes self-identify. It means I don't have to waste time on them. And I can tell them I'm giving their name to Obama's super secret secular police.

kazooka wrote:
Katy wrote:

So apparently, it's the "well, I'm going to say Merry Christmas, not Happy Holidays" time of year again.

It's always nice when assholes self-identify. It means I don't have to waste time on them. And I can tell them I'm giving their name to Obama's super secret Muslim secular police.

FTFY. And no, it doesn't have to make sense. Also, I think I'm going to do this from now on, it's an awesome idea.

Simply respond with "and a merry [pick one; Dionysusmas, Mithrasmas, Attismas] to you!"

Why does anyone believe Christmas is a religious holiday anymore? I say "Merry Christmas", because it's Christmas. I have a Christmas tree. I give Christmas presents. I don't see the big deal with "Happy Holidays" at all.

Try working for a corporate call center when people call in frothing at the mouth about this. I have dig my nails into my palm to avoid saying anything about how this wasn't a nation founded as a Christian nation and our being inclusive of all celebrations for our myriad of employees does not make us out to get you while you are the one calling in wanting to alienate everyone else. Only worse time of the year for calls on religious issues is gay pride month when we get a lot of people calling in complaining about our supporting a local pride parade as part of our corporate value of diversity and equality.

krev82 wrote:

Simply respond with "and a merry [pick one; Dionysusmas, Mithrasmas, Attismas] to you!"

I prefer "Merry Zathras."

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*Edit* OK, now I have an urge to photoshop a Santa hat on Zathras's head.

I just tell folks "Merry Krampusnacht".

Paleocon wrote:

I just tell folks "Merry Krampusnacht".

Krampusnacht sounds like the result of a copious Christmas dinner indeed.

dejanzie wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

I just tell folks "Merry Krampusnacht".

Krampusnacht sounds like the result of a copious Christmas dinner indeed.

dejanzie! I thought of you the other day. I posted this in the guns thread, but figured it is just as applicable here. I know you are in Belgium and not Holland, but figured you are close enough to know what is going on with your neighbors.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Why does anyone believe Christmas is a religious holiday anymore? I say "Merry Christmas", because it's Christmas. I have a Christmas tree. I give Christmas presents. I don't see the big deal with "Happy Holidays" at all.

This. Yes. Agreement.

My canned salutation or response is, "Enjoy the holiday" I've never gotten a negative reaction to that and I live in frelling KS. Not to mention it's appropriate year round.

Paleocon wrote:
dejanzie wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

I just tell folks "Merry Krampusnacht".

Krampusnacht sounds like the result of a copious Christmas dinner indeed.

dejanzie! I thought of you the other day. I posted this in the guns thread, but figured it is just as applicable here. I know you are in Belgium and not Holland, but figured you are close enough to know what is going on with your neighbors.

That's hilarious - and so true!

My mom has the nasty habit of angrily snapping "It's Christmas!" when cashiers wish her a happy holiday. I do wonder how many times she actually says this during Hanukkah or other winter holidays.

Yonder wrote:

My mom has the nasty habit of angrily snapping "It's Christmas!" when cashiers wish her a happy holiday. I do wonder how many times she actually says this during Hanukkah or other winter holidays.

Tell her I wish her a merry Krampusnacht.

Yonder wrote:

My mom has the nasty habit of angrily snapping "It's Christmas!" when cashiers wish her a happy holiday. I do wonder how many times she actually says this during Hanukkah or other winter holidays.

People do this with our call center too. We could have fixed or refunded any number of issues and had them happy as a clam... and then we say happy holidays and the length of the call goes up by about 10 minutes while people vent.

Demosthenes wrote:
Yonder wrote:

My mom has the nasty habit of angrily snapping "It's Christmas!" when cashiers wish her a happy holiday. I do wonder how many times she actually says this during Hanukkah or other winter holidays.

People do this with our call center too. We could have fixed or refunded any number of issues and had them happy as a clam... and then we say happy holidays and the length of the call goes up by about 10 minutes while people vent.

Still pushing the Krampusnacht greeting. I bet that would really wreck your call center numbers.

I had to Wiki this Krampusnacht stuff, and yeah, that's my new holiday greeting.

Farscry wrote:

I had to Wiki this Krampusnacht stuff, and yeah, that's my new holiday greeting. :D

Glucklich Krampusnacht!

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Rallick wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
dejanzie wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

I just tell folks "Merry Krampusnacht".

Krampusnacht sounds like the result of a copious Christmas dinner indeed.

dejanzie! I thought of you the other day. I posted this in the guns thread, but figured it is just as applicable here. I know you are in Belgium and not Holland, but figured you are close enough to know what is going on with your neighbors.

That's hilarious - and so true!

+1

The Saint Nicholas myth is one of the many sources for Santa Claus. It's as popular in Belgium (even the French speaking part) as in The Netherlands, only he comes on the 6th of December in our neck of the woods.

Since the fifties, when immigrants started to ask questions about Saint Nicholas little slaves, the black skin of the Zwarte Pieten (Black Petes) is explained away by claiming its chimney soot from dropping the gifts. Yeah.

dejanzie wrote:
Rallick wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
dejanzie wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

I just tell folks "Merry Krampusnacht".

Krampusnacht sounds like the result of a copious Christmas dinner indeed.

dejanzie! I thought of you the other day. I posted this in the guns thread, but figured it is just as applicable here. I know you are in Belgium and not Holland, but figured you are close enough to know what is going on with your neighbors.

That's hilarious - and so true!

+1

The Saint Nicholas myth is one of the many sources for Santa Claus. It's as popular in Belgium (even the French speaking part) as in The Netherlands, only he comes on the 6th of December in our neck of the woods.

Since the fifties, when immigrants started to ask questions about Saint Nicholas little slaves, the black skin of the Zwarte Pieten (Black Petes) is explained away by claiming its chimney soot from dropping the gifts. Yeah. :-D

It is almost the season for stroopwaffels and stollen. Yum.

Paleocon wrote:

It is almost the season for stroopwaffels and stollen. Yum.

NOM

Ranger Rick wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

It is almost the season for stroopwaffels and stollen. Yum.

NOM

Wrong thread.

This whole thing is incredibly befuddling, because the word "holiday" comes from the Old English "haligdaeg", which means "holy day". Someone who is upset with "Happy Holidays" is at a minimum because it's "not religious" enough is ignorant of etymology. Similar anti-kudos to the people who think "All Hallows Eve" is a devil's holy day, rather than the evening before the feast of all the saints (All Saints Day, or All Hallows Day as it was known). (To be fair, I believe they likely also think Catholicism is demonically inspired, which at least would be consistent.)

I've actually embarrassed a few of the militant Christians by responding "Channukah Tov" if they get shirty about "Happy Holidays". Many of them had the decency to look abashed. It's like they forget Jews have a holiday then too (no, I'm not Jewish). I've never had to go further - "See, the Reason for the Season is the rebuilding of the Temple." But that could be fun too. For Christians, it's more easily referenced than trying to explain Saturnalia or the like. And hey, Jesus was not a Christian, he was a Jew. You wanna be like Jesus, really be like Jesus? Forget Christmas, find a Rabbi, study hard and accept God's Covenant that he made with his chosen people, of whom Jesus considered himself a part.

Sigh. Of all the human social constructs, religion often seems to me to be the most arbitrary and bizarre.