Why is George Zimmerman allowed to roam free tonight?

1Dgaf wrote:

Is it realistic to expect people to judge books without paying attention to the cover? I think that's ideal, but quite difficult.

My cover is quite tatty and frayed, so I hope people would give me a second chance. But know that's more likely at a party than on the street.

Well what I meant by that point was that the focus should be on the rush to judgement and not on the person being judged. I'm not saying it's a 100% achievable ideal but if we're going to work on it and learn lessons, let's make sure we're coming at it from the right angle.

1Dgaf wrote:

Tangle,

Really? Man, I'm not sure. To me, that just smacks of apathy (at best).

Most police aren't lawyers, so they aren't always going to understand (or care about) the nuances of a particular law. The stand-your-ground law got a lot of press when it was passed, not all of it accurate, so it could very well be that the police at the scene incorrectly felt that they were legally prohibited from arresting Zimmerman. It's been mentioned in several quotes from the PD that their "hands are tied" and stuff like that. And it's possible that their perceptions were skewed by hearing Zimmerman claim to be a member of the neighborhood watch and seeing that the victim was a black teen.

Of course, it could be that they just didn't care.

In the UK, police officers regularly seem to ask people to stop taking photographs in public places. The argument seems to be its 'prevention of terrorism'. Most of the time the cops are in the wrong.

This sort of incident isn't as important as a killing, but it does me make wonder why the police seem to be consistently ignorant on some issues. Is it that they don't know or they don't care? Is the problem a mix of wanting to exercise power and a fragile ego?

Why isn't there a way for them to call up and get clarification on laws? OK, it couldn't work in every situation, but in low key ones it might be an option.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Of course, it could be that they just didn't care.

Considering:

1. Zimmerman wasn't tested for D&A, despite killing another human being

2. Trayon Martin's corpse WAS tested for D&A (probably standard procedure, but so would be testing the shooter)

3. Trayvon's gf was never contacted by police, and STILL hasn't been

4. The Sanford PD didn't bother to even send a homicide detective to the scene, they sent a narcotics detective

I think it's pretty safe to say they just didn't care.

Students stage walkouts at several Florida high schools, in protest over the non-arrest of George Zimmerman.

Jeff-66 wrote:

Students stage walkouts at several Florida high schools, in protest over the non-arrest of George Zimmerman.

Sorry if this is pedantic, but I can't tell how many people were white. I'm not trying to inflame the race issue, I am generally curious.

garion333 wrote:
Jeff-66 wrote:

Students stage walkouts at several Florida high schools, in protest over the non-arrest of George Zimmerman.

Sorry if this is pedantic, but I can't tell how many people were white. I'm not trying to inflame the race issue, I am generally curious.

Also: High School students don't need an excuse to skip school.

My finger is jumpy. Very, very jumpy.

Yeah, I've been seeing similar things all over Tumblr:

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I will not make snarky comments about those I don't like deserving to be shot as it's not appropriate at this moment.

Lebron James and the Miami Heat: WE ARE TRAYVON MARTIN

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Awesome.

Malor wrote:

Awesome.

That really is.

Malor wrote:

Awesome.

It is indeed. This story has exploded (by the way, Geraldo's dumbassery is the front page story at HuffPo right now). I'm very glad this is happening. I hope to see not just national, but worldwide pressure coming down on the Sanford PD, hopefully as a message to other PD's that this cannot happen.

Btw, Trayvon's journey out was to go get the candy and drink to watch Lebron James and the rest of the NBA all-stars play their game that night. Obviously, he never made it back.

The shootings in Chicago are tragic, but this is different in many ways and while there a million other stories that could have reached a critical mass, I'm fine with this story getting the interest it deserves.

garion333 wrote:

The shootings in Chicago are tragic, but this is different in many ways and while there a million other stories that could have reached a critical mass, I'm fine with this story getting the interest it deserves.

+eleventy.

As dumbassed as I think the whole hoodie nonsense is, I am afraid it is a dangerous distraction.

Zimmerman absolutely does need to be tried for homicide. That much is clear.

But to me equally clear is the need for a full on investigation of the homeowners' association, city government, and the police force. How in Moses' butthole was Zimmerman allowed to patrol the neighborhood with a gun? Who knew about it? What other incidents constituted red flags that should have prompted corrective action before this tragedy struck?

This is not something that "just happened".

Greedy folks gave this tacticool mall ninja police powers because he was free of charge and that sure as hell beat a police salary. A boy is dead now because of it. Someone ought to pay.

Well, I'd like to see this pushed forward, so that we don't think the problem is fixed just because someone arrests or even convicts Zimmerman. Policing in this country is deeply broken in many areas, largely because of the War on Drugs, and this is the tiniest tip of the iceberg.

Someone ought to pay.

I think that's completely the wrong angle. Vengeance is easy, but it's a distraction from the deeper issues.

Malor wrote:
Someone ought to pay.

I think that's completely the wrong angle. Vengeance is easy, but it's a distraction from the deeper issues.

It's not vengeance. It's balancing the scales of justice. Letting Zimmerman walk free sends the very clear message that there is no such thing as justice, which is a dangerous thing for a society.

Countdown to Trayvon Martin brand hooded sweatshirts...

I am a bad person.

Well, obviously Zimmerman should go to jail, but Paleo's wanting to wreak havoc in the HOA... he makes it sound like he'd like to drop a tactical nuke on the subdivision.

I think the focus needs to be A) on the law in question, B) on the police, and C) why it is that people in this country seriously think that a black guy in a hoodie is implicitly threatening?

THAT is the real issue. You actually have lots and lots of people supporting this viewpoint, that if you don't want to be killed, you shouldn't look like a "gangsta." But why do "gangstas" even exist at all?

Malor wrote:

Well, obviously Zimmerman should go to jail, but Paleo's wanting to wreak havoc in the HOA... he makes it sound like he'd like to drop a tactical nuke on the subdivision.

Well, the HOA liable as f*ck for allowing Zimmerman to run what boils down to an unlicensed Neighborhood Watch program, one that violated every basic rule that those programs should follow.

OG_slinger wrote:
Malor wrote:

Well, obviously Zimmerman should go to jail, but Paleo's wanting to wreak havoc in the HOA... he makes it sound like he'd like to drop a tactical nuke on the subdivision.

Well, the HOA liable as f*ck for allowing Zimmerman to run what boils down to an unlicensed Neighborhood Watch program, one that violated every basic rule that those programs should follow.

Precisely.

They got greedy and figured that they could run a private police force on the cheap and realized way too late that they were idiots. Folks played along because they figured they'd rather roll the dice with a tacticool mall ninja with a gun than actually have to pay for real cops.

Folks should hang for this.

boogle wrote:

Countdown to Trayvon Martin brand hooded sweatshirts...

I am a bad person.

It doesn't make you a bad person, it makes you a realist. There were people capitalizing on 9/11, I'm sure there will be people capitalizing on this.

Paleocon wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:
Malor wrote:

Well, obviously Zimmerman should go to jail, but Paleo's wanting to wreak havoc in the HOA... he makes it sound like he'd like to drop a tactical nuke on the subdivision.

Well, the HOA liable as f*ck for allowing Zimmerman to run what boils down to an unlicensed Neighborhood Watch program, one that violated every basic rule that those programs should follow.

Precisely.

They got greedy and figured that they could run a private police force on the cheap and realized way too late that they were idiots. Folks played along because they figured they'd rather roll the dice with a tacticool mall ninja with a gun than actually have to pay for real cops.

Folks should hang (as in be "on the hook" liability-wise) for this.

Fixed for a more sane response?

I've been making the grave error of reading comment sections on various sites for this story.

I think I'm about to just give up on humanity. I swear to christ it looks like we're still in early 60's. Anonymity and a keyboard gives these people the ability to show us that this country is still rife with hateful, racist scum.

This is very depressing. I've been saying this for years, but I sincerely believe that most wide-audience sites (CNN, Fox, ESPN, MSNBC, Youtube, etc) would be far better served by disabling comment sections. Has anyone ever witnessed total anonymity commenting that turned out well?

Jeff-66:

Hope nobody takes this the wrong way.

That's always been somewhat apparent to me. I'm sure some posters have sensed my views of your nation and the Western world in general, but it doesn't fall too far from where you are now.

If it's any consolation, the rest of the world is not much better, often much worse.

Okay, maybe that's not a consolation after all. How about this: I am just as anonymous here as all those folks, and I'm not spouting racist crap. Many of us here are even better people than me, so there is hope so long as we do not lose it.

We CAN change this. I believe that, and so must you.

Stengah wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:
Malor wrote:

Well, obviously Zimmerman should go to jail, but Paleo's wanting to wreak havoc in the HOA... he makes it sound like he'd like to drop a tactical nuke on the subdivision.

Well, the HOA liable as f*ck for allowing Zimmerman to run what boils down to an unlicensed Neighborhood Watch program, one that violated every basic rule that those programs should follow.

Precisely.

They got greedy and figured that they could run a private police force on the cheap and realized way too late that they were idiots. Folks played along because they figured they'd rather roll the dice with a tacticool mall ninja with a gun than actually have to pay for real cops.

Folks should hang (as in be "on the hook" liability-wise) for this.

Fixed for a more sane response?

Figure of speech.

Techdirt's comments are usually very good, and they allow anonymous posters.