Why is George Zimmerman allowed to roam free tonight?

Malor wrote:
I thought the exact same thing and not just the marches, but the various indoor gatherings I've seen pictures of in Sanford. Where are all those good white Christian folks now?

I'm pretty antisocial, but if I lived there, I'd be out there with a sign. That is some messed up sh*t.

edit: well, maybe not with a sign. But I'd be there.

I am imagining your avatar with a sandwich board.

This guy had a good sign:
IMAGE(http://i.imgur.com/HsJeml.jpg)

Benticore wrote:

My wife listened to the 911 call where you can hear Trayvon begging for his life and it really unnerved her. It's infuriating and terrifying to think that my beautiful son who everybody says is so cute now (he's 18 months) will someday soon be viewed as dangerous simply because of the color of his skin.

There is a lot of talk right now in the black community specifically, but in a lot of communities about "The talk". This is the talk that parents give their sons (mostly minority but I think lots of young men get the talk these days) about what to do and not to do in certain situations, how to talk to police and how to respond to potential danger and bad situations. I know for most of the black community, the talk mainly consists of what you do and don't say to police, the places in town you should never be in past dark, and the ways in which you can try to be as inoffensive as possible. In the end, f*ck pride, you just want your kid to come home in one piece but it really grates that we're still having to have this talk.

But this deep, bone-chilling fear that I have (and frankly, a lot of middle class black folks with kids have) is that that next bullet might be for us or our kids. That at any point in time, we can be murdered while walking down the street by the people who are supposed to protect us and our family might not have any recourse. That no matter what we do, we cannot protect our own children from crazy evil that wears their supposed authority like a force field.

I can't even listen to the 911 call. I can't handle it. My wife cried like a baby and held our son all night and she NEVER cries. Ever.

Feels bad, man. Feels bad. =0(

It makes me so goddamn mad that we live in a country where innocent, law-abiding people have to live in this kind of fear.

Malor wrote:

Boy, I wish I saw more white people in that march.

If I didn't live around 1600 miles away, I would've joined in the march.

Farscry wrote:
Malor wrote:

Boy, I wish I saw more white people in that march.

If I didn't live around 1600 miles away, I would've joined in the march.

Yep.

Though I definitely think that there is a significant racial component to this, I honestly don't think that race alone explains the actions of the city, homeowners association, or the police. And it certainly doesn't explain everything when it comes to Zimmerman's actions.

Zimmerman, by most descriptions was a person who pretty well sucked at being a man. And Florida's gun and self defense laws combined with the greed and laziness of those willing to use him gave him a tremendously destructive outlet in which to express his inadequacy: force.

I think it will become increasingly clear in the next few months that folks knew he was armed on his patrols, that there were other incidents that should have been heeded as warning signs that he was not reliably capable of executing good judgment, and that those whose duty it was to provide protection for the community tolerated and enabled his behavior because it was expedient to do so. And when he well and truly did step on his dick, they tried to cover it up because they knew where all of that was going to end up.

If there is any justice in the state of Florida, heads should roll for this, but the sure as hell shouldn't stop at Zimmerman's.

Well, today, Bill Lee stepped down ... I wish I could say it was permanent, but technically he's "stepping aside" because he's "causing a distraction".

Gee, Chief Lee, I wouldn't call you a distraction, as much as I would call you the focus. Maybe being the focus of the scrutiny makes you uncomfortable. Either way, it was mighty kind of you to step aside.

Maybe he can go in hiding for a while, perhaps in Montana or Idaho. Maybe he's got friends there.

FL Governor appoints a new prosecutor to the case, and will "appoint a committee on citizen safety that would examine the state's "Stand Your Ground" law".

Link

Jeff-66 wrote:

FL Governor appoints a new prosecutor to the case, and will "appoint a committee on citizen safety that would examine the state's "Stand Your Ground" law".

Link

Good.

Progress!

Now just lock up that scumbag before he shoot someone else.

Benticiore,

Your kid is only a toddler. A lot could happen in society in the time it takes him to grow up. He could be a man in a different world.

1Dgaf wrote:

Benticiore,

Your kid is only a toddler. A lot could happen in society in the time it takes him to grow up. He could be a man in a different world.

I have no doubt the world will be very different by the time my son is Trayvon's age. That's the basis for my hope though. I've talked to several different people who are fighting a sort of depression about the events that you have to have some hope for the future because the alternative is to just give up.

I mean, when the Robot wars begin, I'm sure the only skin color people will be worried about are chrome, steel, copper, and the like.

...unless cyborgs. But then, what crazy computer would make their cyborgs black?

Benticore wrote:

...unless cyborgs. But then, what crazy computer would make their cyborgs black?

This is the best quote on GWJ, ever.

I think that would be awesome if the computer had an ironic sense of humor.

edit: also, would a cyborg be 3/5 human?

Paleocon wrote:

I think that would be awesome if the computer had an ironic sense of humor.

edit: also, would a cyborg be 3/5 human?

We didn't land on Cyborg rock. Cyborg rock landed on us!
-Malcolm OsX

Fox News host Geraldo Rivera said Friday he would “bet money” that Trayvon Martin wouldn’t have been fatally shot by a neighborhood watch captain if the teenager hadn’t been wearing a hoodie and he called on parents to stop their kids from going out in public dressed that way.

“I am urging the parents of black and Latino youngsters particularly to not let their children go out wearing hoodies,” Rivera said on “Fox & Friends.” “I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as George Zimmerman was.”

Rivera on Friday launched into a long-winded monologue about how wearing a hoodie can draw “dark-skinned” kids unwanted attention because of the negative associations attached to people that dress to look like “a gangsta.”
“When you see a kid walking down the street, particularly a dark-skinned kid like my son Cruz, who I constantly yelled at when he was going out wearing a damn hoodie or those pants around his ankles,” Rivera said, as he continued on to argue that there is an “instant association” with someone that is wearing a hoodie.

Yes clothing can cause people to make a reflex judgement... But your society might be bankrupt when the reflex is shoot first!

Tanglebones wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

I think that would be awesome if the computer had an ironic sense of humor.

edit: also, would a cyborg be 3/5 human?

We didn't land on Cyborg rock. Cyborg rock landed on us!
-Malcolm OsX

Couldn't resist.

jowner wrote:
Fox News host Geraldo Rivera said Friday he would “bet money” that Trayvon Martin wouldn’t have been fatally shot by a neighborhood watch captain if the teenager hadn’t been wearing a hoodie and he called on parents to stop their kids from going out in public dressed that way.

“I am urging the parents of black and Latino youngsters particularly to not let their children go out wearing hoodies,” Rivera said on “Fox & Friends.” “I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as George Zimmerman was.”

Rivera on Friday launched into a long-winded monologue about how wearing a hoodie can draw “dark-skinned” kids unwanted attention because of the negative associations attached to people that dress to look like “a gangsta.”
“When you see a kid walking down the street, particularly a dark-skinned kid like my son Cruz, who I constantly yelled at when he was going out wearing a damn hoodie or those pants around his ankles,” Rivera said, as he continued on to argue that there is an “instant association” with someone that is wearing a hoodie.

Yes clothing can cause people to make a reflex judgement... But your society might be bankrupt when the reflex is shoot first!

And if whores don't want to be raped, they shouldn't dress sexy. Thanks, Geraldo. Now go back to your cave.

Paleocon wrote:
jowner wrote:
Fox News host Geraldo Rivera said Friday he would “bet money” that Trayvon Martin wouldn’t have been fatally shot by a neighborhood watch captain if the teenager hadn’t been wearing a hoodie and he called on parents to stop their kids from going out in public dressed that way.

“I am urging the parents of black and Latino youngsters particularly to not let their children go out wearing hoodies,” Rivera said on “Fox & Friends.” “I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as George Zimmerman was.”

Rivera on Friday launched into a long-winded monologue about how wearing a hoodie can draw “dark-skinned” kids unwanted attention because of the negative associations attached to people that dress to look like “a gangsta.”
“When you see a kid walking down the street, particularly a dark-skinned kid like my son Cruz, who I constantly yelled at when he was going out wearing a damn hoodie or those pants around his ankles,” Rivera said, as he continued on to argue that there is an “instant association” with someone that is wearing a hoodie.

Yes clothing can cause people to make a reflex judgement... But your society might be bankrupt when the reflex is shoot first!

And if whores don't want to be raped, they shouldn't dress sexy. Thanks, Geraldo. Now go back to your cave.

I can't think of a single "type" of 17 year old kid that doesn't wear hoodies. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Might as well say shirt.

jowner wrote:

Yes clothing can cause people to make a reflex judgement... But your society might be bankrupt when the reflex is shoot first!

The sad thing is that I don't think Rivera believes what he's saying. He just knows the Fox news cycle of ratings success:

1) say that a minority victim deserved to get shot,
2) wait for the liberals to go ballistic in the press,
3) say that liberals are overreacting by going ballistic,
4) argue that liberals are denying the obvious and that there's a double-standard because black kids commit the most crimes in America,
5) deny any of this is racist and point out that people who complain about racism aren't concerned when a white girl gets raped by black men in hoodies,
6) declare that liberals are in fact racist for noticing that the kid who got shot was black.
7) profit from ratings gold!

I'm in my mid 30's and I constantly wear some type of hoodie during the winter. Good thing I'm white and not a teenager, eh? Had no idea I could've been unknowingly begging people to shoot me. I think the last time I listened to anything Geraldo said was when he did that live special to open Capone's vault. After that I realized he was a moron and that I should just ignore him.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...

I'm glad some of the conservative media is coming out against vigilanteism.

I think framing this as vigilanteism is selling Zimmerman too highly. He's just a straight-up killer.

LarryC wrote:

I think framing this as vigilanteism is selling Zimmerman too highly. He's just a straight-up killer.

Vigilantism has a pre-requisite of a crime that was committed, doesn't it?

SixteenBlue wrote:
LarryC wrote:

I think framing this as vigilanteism is selling Zimmerman too highly. He's just a straight-up killer.

Vigilantism has a pre-requisite of a crime that was committed, doesn't it?

He was wearing a hoodie.

Kehama wrote:
SixteenBlue wrote:
LarryC wrote:

I think framing this as vigilanteism is selling Zimmerman too highly. He's just a straight-up killer.

Vigilantism has a pre-requisite of a crime that was committed, doesn't it?

He was wearing a hoodie.

And walking while black.

Maq wrote:
Kehama wrote:
SixteenBlue wrote:
LarryC wrote:

I think framing this as vigilanteism is selling Zimmerman too highly. He's just a straight-up killer.

Vigilantism has a pre-requisite of a crime that was committed, doesn't it?

He was wearing a hoodie.

And walking while black.

With Skittles.

Tanglebones wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

I think that would be awesome if the computer had an ironic sense of humor.

edit: also, would a cyborg be 3/5 human?

We didn't land on Cyborg rock. Cyborg rock landed on us!
-Malcolm OsX

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