Xbox One Catch-all

Duoae wrote:

It's as if this console and restrictions were created only with the US in mind. I can imagine that the XBO will be a pretty good console for the USA but for the rest of the world there's really not much going for it...

QFT. It's not even speculation, much of it demonstrably was created with only the US in mind.

At least for me I only want it for a game console, which it will do just fine in Canada. I don't care about TV, so all of that fluff is immaterial (heck, my digital box is coax anyway, though F1 is the only thing I still watch on cable TV).

Scratched wrote:
Duoae wrote:

That was the NES.

Right.

Possibly filed under "Analysts doing their thing", but yow: DFC: "The entire future of the Xbox business is in question"

What draws my eye is this bit "...and that is likely to have a major impact on the game industry." - MS doesn't exist in a vacuum, if they stumble everyone feels the effects in some way. Just as everyone loves to say that the PC alone can't support AAA games and therefore we need consoles, one console platform can't sustain it either, unless you're getting into monopoly discussions which are bad for other reasons too.

Who's DFC? We'll probably be hearing a lot about this because it's cool to dogpile on the Xbox One, but why should they be taken seriously?

Faceless Clock wrote:

Who's DFC? We'll probably be hearing a lot about this because it's cool to dogpile on the Xbox One, but why should they be taken seriously?

According to google, these guys: http://www.dfcint.com/index.php

I guess they assist in making decisions on what stock to buy.

Is it time yet to do a google doc to see what console our community members will be purchasing this holiday season?

Well, I asked my brothers and their friends and they don't give a crap about the online thing, and their Call of duty tourneys/gang is going to continue on Xbox One, so I guess MS did their research right and most people don't really care and trust MS enough to buy another.

edit: One of these guys lost his whole XBLA games due to his account being banned too, jeez, what kind of crack are they putting in these CoD games?

Edgar_Newt wrote:

Is it time yet to do a google doc to see what console our community members will be purchasing this holiday season?

It would be interesting to see how many people vehemently condemn the XBO in this and other threads yet pick one up within 6 months of launch:)

Interesting article in Arstechnica

It sounds like they were initially going to go purely digital but relented and kept discs and its that that is muddying the waters message wise. I can see that being the case.

This was interesting:

While the Internet is decidedly up in arms about the way the Xbox One handles game ownership and online check-ins, Mehdi said it was "hard to say" what the larger reaction from the less attentive mainstream consumers would be. "I think it's fair to say there's a segment of consumers at this show in particular who really pay attention, who are very passionate about all aspects of gaming, and that we listen to closely. In a broader set of community, people don't pay attention to a lot of the details. We've seen it in the research, we've seen it in a lot of the data points."

If they really believed in their digital message... Yeah they should've done away with discs, it shows lack of commitment and adds to the confusion...

edit: Oh no... I'm using... all ellipsis... Where... is ... the Game...Guru... ... ...

Mex wrote:

If they really believed in their digital message... Yeah they should've done away with discs, it shows lack of commitment and adds to the confusion...

edit: Oh no... I'm using... all ellipsis... Where... is ... the Game...Guru... ... ... lol

FTFTGG.

Higgledy wrote:

Interesting article in Arstechnica

It sounds like they were initially going to go purely digital but relented and kept discs and its that that is muddying the waters message wise. I can see that being the case.

This was interesting:

While the Internet is decidedly up in arms about the way the Xbox One handles game ownership and online check-ins, Mehdi said it was "hard to say" what the larger reaction from the less attentive mainstream consumers would be. "I think it's fair to say there's a segment of consumers at this show in particular who really pay attention, who are very passionate about all aspects of gaming, and that we listen to closely. In a broader set of community, people don't pay attention to a lot of the details. We've seen it in the research, we've seen it in a lot of the data points."

Yeah, for the segment of the population that just plays games, has a fairly standard broadband connection, buys some number of games a year and never really worries about anything else, the XBO will be just dandy. They'd likely never notice a difference. It's only when you start tapping the corner cases that the differences poke up.

ColdForged wrote:

Yeah, for the segment of the population that just plays games, has a fairly standard broadband connection, buys some number of games a year and never really worries about anything else, the XBO will be just dandy. They'd likely never notice a difference. It's only when you start tapping the corner cases that the differences poke up.

I'm not really sure that "lending your game to your friends" is a "Corner case", to be honest. And the whole family plan thing isn't a solution to that. The idea that you would only have 9 friends who are only friends with each other to enable the lending of games is seriously laughable.

Valmorian wrote:

I'm not really sure that "lending your game to your friends" is a "Corner case", to be honest.

You could argue that about all of it, though. "I'm not really sure that 'buying used games' is a 'corner case'". I don't (often) lend games, but I quite often sell games. For me, that would be less of a corner case.

I'm talking about the stone-simple case of "GROG BUY GAMES FROM [RETAILER], GROG PLAY GAMES, RINSE, REPEAT", AKA the "less-attentive mainstream consumers" referenced above. Once you start throwing in "well [important issue to me] isn't a corner case" you lose cohesion.

I would be interested in a document where everyone writes down which system they're getting... I might go with the PS4 but who knows yet.

Mex wrote:

I would be interested in a document where everyone writes down which system they're getting... I might go with the PS4 but who knows yet.

If the majority are going PS4 that would be another strong reason to go with that platform.

From what I'm hearing the PS4 controller is great and even people who dislike the current one say it's fine.

Another annoyance with the Xbox One is that no one seems to be able to make a decent game for the Kinect (unless exploiting it's weaknesses for random fun like Double Fine) no matter how hard they try and even if they could it probably wouldn't be practical in my little house and even if it was practical it's doing something imprecisely, with excess effort, that the controller is already perfect for.

Higgledy wrote:
Mex wrote:

I would be interested in a document where everyone writes down which system they're getting... I might go with the PS4 but who knows yet.

If the majority are going PS4 that would be another strong reason to go with that platform.

From what I'm hearing the PS4 controller is great and even people who dislike the current one say it's fine.

Another annoyance with the Xbox One is that no one seems to be able to make a decent game for the Kinect (unless exploiting it's weaknesses for random fun like Double Fine) no matter how hard they try and even if they could it probably wouldn't be practical in my little house and even if it was practical it's doing something imprecisely, with excess effort, that the controller is already perfect for.

People should play The Gunstringer on Kinect. It is fantastically fun and the Kinect works great.

Fruit Ninja Kinect delivered.

As did Dance Central 2 and Kinect Adventures.

Gravey wrote:

Fruit Ninja Kinect delivered.

And Happy Action Theater is great for kids and high people. My daughter really liked Kinect Sports, too.

I think from all I've seen in the media, the new Kinect seems much improved. It's more accurate, the space and distance requirements are much better, etc.

I'd pay the extra $100 for a voice control device myself.

If the new Kinect means I don't have to recalibrate when we go from me to my 5-year old, I am all for it.

If an EA Sports Active game comes out for Xbone and can use Kinect 2.0's heartrate tracker to estimate calories burned, and ditch the wearable monitor, I would be all the hell over that.

I used EASA2 on the Wii, and the monitors occasionally lose connection—very annoying in the middle of some excruciating squat and the game wouldn't advance because it thinks I'm not doing it.

Gravey wrote:

If an EA Sports Active game comes out for Xbone and can use Kinect 2.0's heartrate tracker to estimate calories burned, and ditch the wearable monitor, I would be all the hell over that.

I am very skeptical about picking up heart rates from the skin of a moving person. That sounded like a feature that's might almost work, but would never be good enough to be usable.

Maybe I'm wrong.

MannishBoy wrote:
Gravey wrote:

If an EA Sports Active game comes out for Xbone and can use Kinect 2.0's heartrate tracker to estimate calories burned, and ditch the wearable monitor, I would be all the hell over that.

I am very skeptical about picking up heart rates from the skin of a moving person. That sounded like a feature that's might almost work, but would never be good enough to be usable.

Maybe I'm wrong.

What I want to know is can it detect N'Gai Croal's heart rate?

MannishBoy wrote:
Gravey wrote:

If an EA Sports Active game comes out for Xbone and can use Kinect 2.0's heartrate tracker to estimate calories burned, and ditch the wearable monitor, I would be all the hell over that.

I am very skeptical about picking up heart rates from the skin of a moving person. That sounded like a feature that's might almost work, but would never be good enough to be usable.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Tested.com has a quick video preview that shows the sensor picking up the heartbeat:

SallyNasty wrote:
Edgar_Newt wrote:

Is it time yet to do a google doc to see what console our community members will be purchasing this holiday season?

It would be interesting to see how many people vehemently condemn the XBO in this and other threads yet pick one up within 6 months of launch:)

I thought about putting a google doc up on the Sunday before E3, but didn't think it would get enough traffic before the press events on Monday to be meaningful.

Edgar_Newt wrote:

Is it time yet to do a google doc to see what console our community members will be purchasing this holiday season?

I think it's early. I have both pre-ordered, but will only buy, or even neither, at launch.

I'm leaning Xbone at launch with Watch Dogs, for now.

mudbunny wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:
Gravey wrote:

If an EA Sports Active game comes out for Xbone and can use Kinect 2.0's heartrate tracker to estimate calories burned, and ditch the wearable monitor, I would be all the hell over that.

I am very skeptical about picking up heart rates from the skin of a moving person. That sounded like a feature that's might almost work, but would never be good enough to be usable.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Tested.com has a quick video preview that shows the sensor picking up the heartbeat:

I was the one that posted that vid here first

And it's not an actual number, it's a squiggly line. And it's taken from fairly stationary people who aren't actively exercising and bouncing around.

Duoae wrote:
Scratched wrote:
RolandofGilead wrote:
Scratched wrote:

SNES (Famicom to Yanks)

What? It was SNES here in the states.

Hmmm, I thought it was referred to as Famicom by someone.

That was the NES.

It was still NES in the States. Maybe it was called that when it came with the robot?

RolandofGilead wrote:
Duoae wrote:
Scratched wrote:
RolandofGilead wrote:
Scratched wrote:

SNES (Famicom to Yanks)

What? It was SNES here in the states.

Hmmm, I thought it was referred to as Famicom by someone.

That was the NES.

It was still NES in the States. Maybe it was called that when it came with the robot?

Famicom is the name for the Japanese version.

SallyNasty wrote:

People should play The Gunstringer on Kinect.

Gravey wrote:

Fruit Ninja Kinect delivered.

mudbunny wrote:

As did Dance Central 2 and Kinect Adventures.

MannishBoy wrote:

My daughter really liked Kinect Sports, too.

But apart from those games....

I guess the real problem is that the kinect seems to be most suitable for the type of games I'm not interested in playing. I admit that if I was to try a few of those examples I may well be a convert.

I'm going to be more willing to give Kinect games another try since the new camera should work in our living room. It was just too small for Kinect 1.0, which is why is has been relegated to primarily voice control. We had a couple of workout games, but it was hard to make room, and then the sensor really wasn't ready to pick up all of the movements in aerobic exercise as consistently as it needed to.

But Kinect 1.0 was stuck with USB to connect to the 360, which turned out to be a bottleneck. Not only is the 2.0 camera better, but the dedicated connection feeds a ton more info than they could muster last gen. But mostly, I'm just hoping for refined voice and gesture control of the UI and media players. Anything it does in games would just be gravy. Things like having the XB1 load up the appropriate home screen based on who is in the room is kind of cool. The way it automatically seeks out and focuses on faces on its own for skype ought to be a nice benefit.

The key for Microsoft will be how well this demos in stores. Microsoft is putting in five hundred 2000 square foot stores within a store in Best Buys. It's possible that between a beefed up Kinect and possibly showing off Illumiroom, Microsoft can drive a ton of sales as the cool gift for Christmas. If it demos well, then they will also get a ton of press on morning shows like Today and Good Morning, America. They are not going to see Wii like excitement, as it is just too expensive, but there is a market out there appreciate what it does.

I still predict that there will come a time during the roll out when people will start to see the XB1 as really doing something and the PS4 as just another games console with fancier graphics. But it is going to take regular people checking it out in stores to cut through the executive gamer resistance. Like the Wii, this won't take off until people try it out themselves. There, it may soar, or it may come crashing to the ground.