Yet another headphone thread

ccoates wrote:

I also have the Arctis 7X, and I like them.

One caveat is that on the PS5 the chat dial thing does not work. You can use the software switches in the PS5 OS to make adjustments though.

Maybe that's why the 7P doesn't have that dial?

I got the 7P. I figured he could make adjustments in the sofware/PS5. We don't have an xbox (well nothing newer than the 360) so I wasn't concerned with Xbox compatibility. Just wanted to be sure to get the most compatible for PS. Thanks for the information and your thoughts.

ccoates wrote:

https://steelseries.com/gaming-headsets/arctis-7x because I'm not sure if the "Nova 7X" and the "7X" are different.

They're not the same. This RTINGS comparison rates them as similar, but each has their own advantages.

So I've been kicking around the idea of grabbing a nicer set of headphones to use for mostly music on my PC, but also for gaming and some movie watching (also on PC).

I've been using a Steelseries Pro for a couple years now, but they're not super comfortable. They get kinda hot and feel a little claustrophobic after an hour or two. I've also got some Sennheiser 449s, which used to be my travel/mowing headphones until I got some Soundcore Q30s a couple years ago.

I'm considering the Beyerdynamic 900 Pro X. I thought the open-back design might help a bit with feeling hot, and I'm hoping they'll be an upgrade in sound over the 449s. Should I be looking at anything else in that roughly >$300 price range? Will that even be enough of a difference to be worth the money?

I'd suggest the Sennheiser HD6XX or Philips SHP-9500 first. The former are pretty neutral while the latter have bigger earcups--not as hilariously large as Audio Technica's, but they breathe a bit more.

Check out the current offerings at Massdrop.

So recently my old headset lost sound on one side, so I've been looking for new headphones. I previously narrowed it down to a couple based on rtngs and my requirements which are:
Wired, closed back, over the ear, headphones required, headset a maybe, cloth considered a plus, needs to be comfy for multiple hours at work and/or gaming, preferably $100 or less.

My finalists, based first by sorting rtngs.com nuetral sound rating landed me with the Logitech G433 (which I bought - read below) and the Audio-Technica ATH-M40x. Both had a lot of similarities, but it seemed the G433 actually had it slightly beat in audio, and definitely in features. I was also concerned for long term comfort, and both entries have similar clamping force, so I didn't look at them too closely. I missed that they said the G433's are a bit tight. For those with Audio-Technica headphones, how do they feel on the head? I typically wear size large helmets, if that helps with reference.

Any thoughts on whether I should return the G433's and/or the Audio-Technica ATH-M40x vs M50x? Maybe I should take advantage of return periods and grab a pair of Audio-Technica's anyways just to compare?

I'd actually like to hold out on the hope that maybe these might relax a bit / I could get used to them. I like the clean unassuming aesthetic and the fact that the G433's come with a modular headset attachment, usb option, and extra pair of cushions for when I want to wash the current ones.

mrtomaytohead wrote:

So recently my old headset lost sound on one side, so I've been looking for new headphones. I previously narrowed it down to a couple based on rtngs and my requirements which are:
Wired, closed back, over the ear, headphones required, headset a maybe, cloth considered a plus, needs to be comfy for multiple hours at work and/or gaming, preferably $100 or less.

My finalists, based first by sorting rtngs.com nuetral sound rating landed me with the Logitech G433 (which I bought - read below) and the Audio-Technica ATH-M40x. Both had a lot of similarities, but it seemed the G433 actually had it slightly beat in audio, and definitely in features. I was also concerned for long term comfort, and both entries have similar clamping force, so I didn't look at them too closely. I missed that they said the G433's are a bit tight. For those with Audio-Technica headphones, how do they feel on the head? I typically wear size large helmets, if that helps with reference.

Any thoughts on whether I should return the G433's and/or the Audio-Technica ATH-M40x vs M50x? Maybe I should take advantage of return periods and grab a pair of Audio-Technica's anyways just to compare?

I'd actually like to hold out on the hope that maybe these might relax a bit / I could get used to them. I like the clean unassuming aesthetic and the fact that the G433's come with a modular headset attachment, usb option, and extra pair of cushions for when I want to wash the current ones.

What about Sennheiser Game Zeros? $75 on Amazon. I have the Game Ones (open version) and they're comfortable and sound good with a pretty good mic.

Don't know if they're worth returning your other ones, but if you do they could be an option.

Phishposer wrote:

So I've been kicking around the idea of grabbing a nicer set of headphones to use for mostly music on my PC, but also for gaming and some movie watching (also on PC).

I've been using a Steelseries Pro for a couple years now, but they're not super comfortable. They get kinda hot and feel a little claustrophobic after an hour or two. I've also got some Sennheiser 449s, which used to be my travel/mowing headphones until I got some Soundcore Q30s a couple years ago.

I'm considering the Beyerdynamic 900 Pro X. I thought the open-back design might help a bit with feeling hot, and I'm hoping they'll be an upgrade in sound over the 449s. Should I be looking at anything else in that roughly >$300 price range? Will that even be enough of a difference to be worth the money?

I love AKG K702s, and they don't require a headphone amplifier. In your situation, that was my pick, and I have no regrets. I also have a pair of Massdrop AKG Kxxs which are just as good. I have a bunch of Schiit audio stuff for amplifiers and DACs.

Phishposer wrote:

I'm considering the Beyerdynamic 900 Pro X. I thought the open-back design might help a bit with feeling hot, and I'm hoping they'll be an upgrade in sound over the 449s. Should I be looking at anything else in that roughly >$300 price range? Will that even be enough of a difference to be worth the money?

The safer, more well loved bet at $300 or below across a wider range of people is still somehow kind of always the Sennheiser HD600 or in particular the HD6XX from Drop. The 6XX's are $200 normally (And sometimes less) and there just... isn't anything else like them below $300.

mrtomaytohead wrote:

Any thoughts on whether I should return the G433's and/or the Audio-Technica ATH-M40x vs M50x? Maybe I should take advantage of return periods and grab a pair of Audio-Technica's anyways just to compare?

I have the M40s and a small head and I find them a bit tight for long periods.

As far as sound, they do sound good - particularly if you’re looking for neutral sound - but I personally found them a bit lacking in the bass department for movies and gaming - even when paired with a headphone amp. I’ve heard the M50s are a bit deeper tone.

They’re a very popular headphone and can be found all over. Maybe give them a listen before making a purchase to make sure they’re what you’re looking for.

MannishBoy wrote:

What about Sennheiser Game Zeros? $75 on Amazon. I have the Game Ones (open version) and they're comfortable and sound good with a pretty good mic.

Don't know if they're worth returning your other ones, but if you do they could be an option.

Worth considering. I'd almost rather just headphones (G433 has a removable mic) but can probably live with a headset.

vypre wrote:

I have the M40s and a small head and I find them a bit tight for long periods.

As far as sound, they do sound good - particularly if you’re looking for neutral sound - but I personally found them a bit lacking in the bass department for movies and gaming - even when paired with a headphone amp. I’ve heard the M50s are a bit deeper tone.

They’re a very popular headphone and can be found all over. Maybe give them a listen before making a purchase to make sure they’re what you’re looking for.

Well if you have a small head, and feel they're tight I probably will not even bother looking at them. Plus I would have no idea where to go try out headphones at this point. Bestbuy would be my only guess, but I'm not sure they would have a demo unit since they do not have them in stock within 250 miles of me.

I spent a good amount of time with the G433's last night and while the annoyance was there a little bit it didn't grow over time, I was able to forget it most of the time.

Don’t know if you’re aware, but rtings.com includes clamping force in their headphone reviews as part of their comfort score. Other factors include earpad material and surface area. Might be worth a look.

Their 2024 gaming headset roundup is here: https://www.rtings.com/headphones/re...

They really seem to prefer wireless, but I'm happy with the PC38X.

What’s your favorite method for cleaning and deodorizing non-removable ear pads on headphones?

I usually use baby wipes.

I’m considering trying some baking soda to absorb odors as I’ve seen that recommended online a few times. Has that worked for you?

q-tips for cleaning and those silica packets

I don't, I always wear something between the headphones and my skin.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

I don't, I always wear something between the headphones and my skin.

What do you use?

Cotton pads and rubbing alcohol. The pads are usually found near the makeup isle and very cheap in packs of 100.

If there is an odor it indicates there is likely bacteria involved too. So if alcohol doesn't do the trick try bleach wipes.

pandasuit wrote:
Baron Of Hell wrote:

I don't, I always wear something between the headphones and my skin.

What do you use?

Nothing special, bandannas, those helmet cap things you wear under helmets, a hat shaped like a vagina or meant to to support breast cancer or LGBTQ, and a couple caps that don't have names. One of the caps was made by my friend. I have drawer with just I wear for my headphones. I rotate them about weekly. My head is a oily nightmare at times.

I’m looking for wireless earbuds/headphones that fit in my pocket and have low enough latency for PC gaming on Steam Deck or laptop/etc. I want to have them with me everywhere I go so I can plug into any PC I happen to be using at the time. Normally I travel with full size headphones but I’m trying to go much lighter and I won’t always be bringing my own PC.

Microphone support not required.

I assume Bluetooth is still not an option for low enough latency. I carry true wireless Bluetooth earbuds already but their latency is not good. Maybe there is an option with better latency?

There are some 2.4Ghz ones with a dongle out there. Even some that also have simultaneous Bluetooth.

I’m using wired earbuds for now but would prefer true wireless.

I’m open to the possibility that folding headphones could work if they fold small enough and won’t break when in my pocket.

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/re...

$167: Razer Hammerhead Pro HyperSpeed True Wireless (the non-Pro gets a Notable Mention)
$102: EPOS GTW 270 Hybrid Truly Wireless
$200 Sony PULSE Explore Truly Wireless

Not a very long list.

The $178 Sony INZONE buds also get a mention, but they require a device that supports the LC3 codec for lowest latency.

pandasuit wrote:

I’m looking for wireless earbuds/headphones that fit in my pocket and have low enough latency for PC gaming on Steam Deck or laptop/etc. I want to have them with me everywhere I go so I can plug into any PC I happen to be using at the time. Normally I travel with full size headphones but I’m trying to go much lighter and I won’t always be bringing my own PC.

Presumably Anker's SoundCore VR P10 earbuds are made with low latency in mind and their own dongle to achieve it. They also retail for less than the above options.

Kurrelgyre wrote:
pandasuit wrote:

I’m looking for wireless earbuds/headphones that fit in my pocket and have low enough latency for PC gaming on Steam Deck or laptop/etc. I want to have them with me everywhere I go so I can plug into any PC I happen to be using at the time. Normally I travel with full size headphones but I’m trying to go much lighter and I won’t always be bringing my own PC.

Presumably Anker's SoundCore VR P10 earbuds are made with low latency in mind and their own dongle to achieve it. They also retail for less than the above options.

This. Its the same principle as the full sized headphones with low latency dongles. That way you don't even have to pair them with each device. And they are $50 right now...

Also, thanks for the reminder. I had been eyeing these for an alternative to over-ears for combating the summer heat. Good timing on the sale!

Kurrelgyre wrote:
pandasuit wrote:

I’m looking for wireless earbuds/headphones that fit in my pocket and have low enough latency for PC gaming on Steam Deck or laptop/etc. I want to have them with me everywhere I go so I can plug into any PC I happen to be using at the time. Normally I travel with full size headphones but I’m trying to go much lighter and I won’t always be bringing my own PC.

Presumably Anker's SoundCore VR P10 earbuds are made with low latency in mind and their own dongle to achieve it. They also retail for less than the above options.

Those look really compelling. Checked out what reviews I could find and I think I’ll pull the trigger on these as soon as I’m home from this trip. Maybe grab an extra dongle eventually as well.

I’ve been using Soundcore devices quite a bit since someone on here convinced me to buy a Soundcore Q30 headset. The true wireless earbuds I normally carry are Soundcore Life P3 and my wireless speaker is a Soundcore Motion Boom.

Some reviews claim that the VR P10 USB audio cuts out when you receive a phone call but others show that it doesn't cut out, it just goes quieter. They used the example of someone using these on a PS5 while using discord app on their phone over Bluetooth for voice. I did see some indication that you can’t listen to music over Bluetooth while the USB connection is going. Maybe it adapts to different Bluetooth modes? I’m also not worried about it.

I’m buying from Canada so I don’t get the benefits of good deals in the US. After exchange, international shipping, and duty it’s rarely worth ordering across the border.

Some reviews for the Soundcore VR P10 mention they can be too quiet at max volume and have frequent disconnects. Seems circumstantial since it’s not all reviews making these complaints. Also read that support admitted to a known bug where some headsets get stuck at 30% volume and they’ve had to replace those ones.

They are promising enough (and the alternatives are way more expensive) that I think I’ll take a chance on them a return if I have issues.

I think I’ll buy from Amazon.ca through Prime so I can benefit from their return policies if I have any issues. They are a bit cheaper through Amazon.com but I don’t seem to get the same Prime benefits there.

BadKen wrote:

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/re...

$167: Razer Hammerhead Pro HyperSpeed True Wireless (the non-Pro gets a Notable Mention)
$102: EPOS GTW 270 Hybrid Truly Wireless
$200 Sony PULSE Explore Truly Wireless

Not a very long list.

The $178 Sony INZONE buds also get a mention, but they require a device that supports the LC3 codec for lowest latency.

I’ve looked at these reviews as well. I’ll consider them if the Soundcores don’t work out for me. There are various off brand alternatives that look like they are trying to be cheaper alternatives to the VR P10. I haven’t found reliable reviews of any of them yet. Likely some of them are good enough for basic use if I’m not too picky about sound quality.

pandasuit wrote:
Kurrelgyre wrote:
pandasuit wrote:

I’m looking for wireless earbuds/headphones that fit in my pocket and have low enough latency for PC gaming on Steam Deck or laptop/etc. I want to have them with me everywhere I go so I can plug into any PC I happen to be using at the time. Normally I travel with full size headphones but I’m trying to go much lighter and I won’t always be bringing my own PC.

Presumably Anker's SoundCore VR P10 earbuds are made with low latency in mind and their own dongle to achieve it. They also retail for less than the above options.

Those look really compelling. Checked out what reviews I could find and I think I’ll pull the trigger on these as soon as I’m home from this trip.

Follow up after almost a month of use.

I really like the Soundcore VR P10. They are very versatile and have become my primary headphones whenever I'm not at my main desktop PC. Having the USB-C dongle in the tiny case with me all the time is exactly what I wanted. I'm looking forward to trialing them for some upcoming travel.

I would highly recommend them for others with a use case like mine.

I've used them with desktops, laptops, and Steam Deck. Haven't tried consoles or VR headsets. They are great when I’m working out on my spin bike because they don’t hold in heat like the headphones I used to wear while cycling.

Most complaints I have about them are obvious ones for a set of pure wireless earbuds. Soundscape isn't great. Clearly not the best sounding headphones I own (but good enough for casual use). Mic is crap (but I nearly never would use it). Lack of ANC and poor noise blocking means they aren't the best way to cut out airplane noise but throwing on some music seems to be a good enough alternative.

Battery life is not as good as my other true wireless earbuds. Very possibly since these are running 2 wireless signals to 2 devices a lot of the time. I disabled all the lights and things which may help.

As advertised, they do connect simultaneously over Bluetooth and 2.4Ghz wireless which is convenient. Unlike my SteelSeries Nova 7's, the P10 won't let you listen to music or most other audio from Bluetooth at the same time as the 2.4Ghz. It cuts out the non-Bluetooth audio. The only exception is things like phone calls which just cause the non-Bluetooth audio to be lowered in volume. This is generally not an issue as I wasn't looking for simultaneous audio with these BUT every notification sound on my phone causes the non-Bluetooth audio to cut out during the sound. That is annoying. I can force disconnect Bluetooth to prevent this but I'd like a better middle option. Not sure if putting the phone in silent or focus mode would help here. I have to try those still.

Edit: I just set up automation on my phone that turns on a Gaming focus mode whenever the P10s connect to the phone and I'm at my house. Another automation disables Gaming focus whenever the P10s disconnect. Now I'll have to test how well that handles phone alerts for me when I'm gaming.