Where to next on my F2P MMOG tour?

I'm on a bit of a F2P MMOG tour.

I dont generally spend money, am fairly impatient and fickle and dont devote more than an hour or so a day to any MMOG. I am a solo MMOGer in that I dont play with friends but always look for and enjoy group PvE events. I dont really enjoy PvP as I am never good enough at it and dont enjoy failing/dying frequently. So far i have tried:

GW2 - OK, it's B2P not F2P but it prompted me to start looking at F2P as I felt I did not get good value from it. Wonderfully conceived world but frustratingly limited combat/magic that made this game simply boring for me.
Planetside 2: Too PvP oriented and i died too quickly and too often to get into it.
DCUO: Lots of fun in the early levels but increasingly felt that i was missing out on or misunderstanding aspects of the game as it rapidly became too difficult so I quit
Star Trek Online: Struggled to get into it, insufficient hand-holding left me lost too often
Neverwinter: Really enjoyed it - loved getting to level cap but then got bored and annoyed with some of its restrictions. So far this is the best I have played.
SWTOR: I really enjoyed my experience getting to Lvl30 before getting bored as the pace slows down so much for non subscribers
Firefall: yes, its a beta but it was the quickest I have installed and uninstalled an MMOG. Got completely lost due to the almost complete lack of a useful tutorial and hand-holding.
Rift: my current game but one I am really struggling to enjoy as I dont really understand what I am doing/supposed to be doing and am pretty lost. I will persevere for a little longer but expect this to be a short-lived experience.

From this i would conclude that I enjoy MMOGs that are easy to get into, easy and fun to play and don't bombard you with depth and complexity at the outset but open up these possibilities as you reach higher levels.

I know I am a hard to please gamer and am expecting some sarcastic comments but my question is what F2P (or possibly B2P) MMOG would you recommend i try next?

What's interesting is that you're playing a bunch of MMOs but don't seem to like traditional MMORPGs.

Anyway, you might be interested in Dragon's Prophet. The catch here is that you get a dragon super early (compared to other MMOs). Might be a quick burn for you though.

War Thunder and World of Tanks. F2P WW2 air and tank combat, respectively. Pvp though.

Realm of the Mad God. Quick, action based combat. Fast and fun. Also, pvp.

Tribes: Ascend. FPS similar to Planetside, but more immediately gratifying. More pvp.

Blacklight Retribution. Another fps, though I'm not a huge fan of the F2P model, but tons of guns and customization. And more pvp.

Okay, that's enough.

Edit: Duh. Marvel Heroes. Diablo-clone arpg.

Would say The Secret World but there's a extreme lack of hand holding in that game too.

garion333 wrote:

War Thunder and World of Tanks. F2P WW2 air and tank combat, respectively. Pvp though.

Funny how these discussions cycle around... just posted last night that i dont agree that these games are rpgs or 'mmo lite'. Fun F2P games for sure but not MMOs.

True, but he's playing Firefall and Planetside which tend to fall in that end of the spectrum.

War Thunder and World of Tanks are mp focused games with persistence. I'll count em for this part of the discussion.

Was Spiral Knights any good? I know a bunch of people played it for a while, bit did it have legs?

Mechwarrior Online - just mech-up, and blow the sh*t out of the other guy.

garion333 wrote:

What's interesting is that you're playing a bunch of MMOs but don't seem to like traditional MMORPGs.

Anyway, you might be interested in Dragon's Prophet. The catch here is that you get a dragon super early (compared to other MMOs). Might be a quick burn for you though.

Thanks for the suggestions Garion333. I had not heard of DP but will give it a go.

I am very happy to play MMORPGs but find so many of them impenetrable and too much of challenge to get to the good stuff (fun missions, group play, good difficulty balance and progression etc.). I would love to find more with a noob friendly on-ramp.

As I said in the OP, I am not overly keen on PvP MMOGs. I gave Tribes and WoT a quick go a while back but couldn't find much to keep me interested. In truth I get my PvP fix in the Battlefield series, possibly the only PvP games in which I am not crap!

ranalin wrote:

Would say The Secret World but there's a extreme lack of hand holding in that game too.

I love the premise of TSW but I am wary of B2P games after my poor experience with GW2. Is TSW an overly complex game? I dont mind not having my hand held if the game is sufficiently easy to get to grips with at the outset.

I'm enjoying EverQuest 2 at the moment. While I came to it later in my MMO life, I've found it pretty good for starting you off simple and giving you guidance (EVE was my first, back in the Revelations I days, so you might take anything I say about handholding with a grain of salt). There's also a metric ton of content (I'm currently trying to clear a backlog of quests on my main, and I have to refrain from picking up new ones as I attempt to clear them out). It's very quest-oriented with lots to do and good at pointing you in the right direction. The game is F2P, with the full range of races and classes (with the exception of 1 race and 1 class that are pay/expansion for everyone) available. Content is soloable for the most part, and if you find you need some help and are willing to pay for the Age of Discovery expansion, you can hire a mercenary to help you out. As far as longevity with EverQuest Next on the horizon is concerned, I'll note that EverQuest is still going strong.

Toanstation wrote:

I'm enjoying EverQuest 2 at the moment. While I came to it later in my MMO life, I've found it pretty good for starting you off simple and giving you guidance (EVE was my first, back in the Revelations I days, so you might take anything I say about handholding with a grain of salt). There's also a metric ton of content (I'm currently trying to clear a backlog of quests on my main, and I have to refrain from picking up new ones as I attempt to clear them out). It's very quest-oriented with lots to do and good at pointing you in the right direction. The game is F2P, with the full range of races and classes (with the exception of 1 race and 1 class that are pay/expansion for everyone) available. Content is soloable for the most part, and if you find you need some help and are willing to pay for the Age of Discovery expansion, you can hire a mercenary to help you out. As far as longevity with EverQuest Next on the horizon is concerned, I'll note that EverQuest is still going strong.

Another good suggestion. Thanks Toanstation!
The solo play sounds great but does EQ2 have good group gameplay? I liked the ease with which you could find and join a random group just for certain quests in SWTOR.

I'm back to playing Lord of the Rings Online and having a great time...it's a well matured MMO with a not so bad F2P mechanic.

Though I will say that after hitting around level 30 the F2P restrictions will get a bit tight if you haven't bought or saved up enough points to expand quest zones.
But there are tons of guides out there on the most efficient ways to level up and get lots of Turbine points.

Or you can do like my wife did, and find a copy of Mines of Moria (there are still a few for sale on Amazon) ~$14.99 - $19.99 that will give you an upgrade you to premium status, and provide you with some content they charge points for now.

gunjin wrote:
ranalin wrote:

Would say The Secret World but there's a extreme lack of hand holding in that game too.

I love the premise of TSW but I am wary of B2P games after my poor experience with GW2. Is TSW an overly complex game? I dont mind not having my hand held if the game is sufficiently easy to get to grips with at the outset.

Its' based on conspiracy and they're intentionally vague on how to do stuff and expect people to use teh web (they include an in-game browser) to get answers to solve puzzles.

There's also Allods Online that is very much a WoW clone. It's well done, but it so close to WoW that i gave up and went back to WoW instead.

Also I would'nt mind putting AoC (Age of Conan) up as a suggestion now. They've had one or two expansions and have a decent stable of content now. The biggest problem they had at launch was the lack of content and not really an issue now. The combat system is a lot of fun!

Path of Exile is on the edge of MMO, but it is a very good Diablo 2/3 style game, and it's F2P in the strict sense. You can't buy advantages in the game, only cosmetic effects and storage slots. Think of the payments as donations to the devs and you'll be comfortable (or not) with it. Free to download and play. Very good game, lots of class and skill variety.

gunjin wrote:

Another good suggestion. Thanks Toanstation!
The solo play sounds great but does EQ2 have good group gameplay? I liked the ease with which you could find and join a random group just for certain quests in SWTOR.

It can be a bit hit-and-miss, but that can be mitigated if you have friends in-game, are part of a community that has a presence or are part of a guild. To be honest, I've not grouped much (most of my grouping these days are via the EQ2 live streams that Massively.com does). One big plus is that EQ2 has a rather robust mentoring system (higher level characters in a group can mentor down to the level of a lower-level group member).

If you decide to give it a try, you're welcome to hit me up in-game. I'm on the Antonia Bayle server (the RP server). My main is Mairghread, and my current alts are Ukemia, Omiku and Tintakki.

Robear wrote:

Path of Exile is on the edge of MMO, but it is a very good Diablo 2/3 style game, and it's F2P in the strict sense. You can't buy advantages in the game, only cosmetic effects and storage slots. Think of the payments as donations to the devs and you'll be comfortable (or not) with it. Free to download and play. Very good game, lots of class and skill variety.

Path of Exile is good Diablo-style game, and is a good alternative to Torchlight if you want something a bit grittier. Although saying that it has "skill variety" is like saying "Piers Anthony has written a sci-fi or fantasy novel on occaision."

Tera is fun, and has some decent graphics. I haven't played it in about 5 months, though.

ranalin wrote:

Its' based on conspiracy and they're intentionally vague on how to do stuff and expect people to use teh web (they include an in-game browser) to get answers to solve puzzles.

Sounds more like an ARG (remember them!) than an MMOG...

Toanstation wrote:

If you decide to give it a try, you're welcome to hit me up in-game. I'm on the Antonia Bayle server (the RP server). My main is Mairghread, and my current alts are Ukemia, Omiku and Tintakki.

Thanks very much for the kind offer. I may do that. However, I am in the UK and this may preclude joining non EU servers. :<

gooflee wrote:

Tera is fun, and has some decent graphics. I haven't played it in about 5 months, though.

I am a little wary of Tera after the comments made by the GWJ crew on their podcast about pervy players' predeliction for inappropriately attired characters. If you heard that podcast you'll know what I am talking about!

gunjin wrote:
ranalin wrote:

Its' based on conspiracy and they're intentionally vague on how to do stuff and expect people to use teh web (they include an in-game browser) to get answers to solve puzzles.

Sounds more like an ARG (remember them!) than an MMOG...

It sort of is, but that's what's cool about it. Fantastic vibe and scenario. It didn't stick with me as I found combat boring (which you probably will too). Worth a look though as it's super unique.

garion333 wrote:
gunjin wrote:
ranalin wrote:

Its' based on conspiracy and they're intentionally vague on how to do stuff and expect people to use teh web (they include an in-game browser) to get answers to solve puzzles.

Sounds more like an ARG (remember them!) than an MMOG...

It sort of is, but that's what's cool about it. Fantastic vibe and scenario. It didn't stick with me as I found combat boring (which you probably will too). Worth a look though as it's super unique.

Actually it started off with an ARG that ran for 2 years before the game launched. It gave some of us a bit more back story and reference points than those that just started up with the game.

gunjin wrote:
gooflee wrote:

Tera is fun, and has some decent graphics. I haven't played it in about 5 months, though.

I am a little wary of Tera after the comments made by the GWJ crew on their podcast about pervy players' predeliction for inappropriately attired characters. If you heard that podcast you'll know what I am talking about!

Oh, it's perv/pedophile central. Remember all those folks that used to make vile comments in WoW trade chat? They went to Tera.

It's still a good came, just ignore everyone.

Surprised no one has mentioned Dragons Nest yet. It's part snarky RPG, part brawler...wrapped up in a chibi anime bow. It's actually good fun, and gets fighter game deep as you progress.

Another one of the chibi games that's pretty good is Rose Online. It's got a decent quest and character structure, and is very pretty to look at.

Another game that's worth looking at is Vindictus, if only for the combat mechanics. It's dead standard Fantasy MMORPG fare otherwise.

Andon wrote:

I'm back to playing Lord of the Rings Online and having a great time...it's a well matured MMO with a not so bad F2P mechanic.

Though I will say that after hitting around level 30 the F2P restrictions will get a bit tight if you haven't bought or saved up enough points to expand quest zones.
But there are tons of guides out there on the most efficient ways to level up and get lots of Turbine points.

Or you can do like my wife did, and find a copy of Mines of Moria (there are still a few for sale on Amazon) ~$14.99 - $19.99 that will give you an upgrade you to premium status, and provide you with some content they charge points for now.

If you're at all interested in the LoTR lore, I'd say give Lotro a try. The epic story has been very well done, though maybe a few too many side quests at times. Some very interesting mechanics (e.g. group combat maneuvers, mounted combat, legendary items) at higher levels if you really get in deep, but pretty accessible.

It's worth a download just to walk around the Shire.

I've walked this path before. Hear is a list of some FTPMMOs I've enjoyed. There are more but these are the ones I thought of first.

LoTRO; Give it a few weeks at least. It's a wonderful game for atmosphere I just don't love the mechanics as much.

ALLODS; Best art style (completely stolen from Blizzard but it's not like Blizz has never borrowed from someone else's game.) and Fun mechanics but it gets grindy.

Tera; Best melee combat, not so great (or even good) ranged combat.

Runes of Magic; Great mechanics, fun to play, pay to win If your an MMO tourist and have no plans of playing at high levels it's well worth your time.

Path of Exile; Great game, lots of fun with some unique mechanics. It's not as fast or flashy as Diablo 3 but it has more depth and outstanding character building.

A belated thank you to all for your suggestions. Plenty of new titles for me to experience over the coming months!

gunjin wrote:

Thanks very much for the kind offer. I may do that. However, I am in the UK and this may preclude joining non EU servers. :<

There isn't any restriction on which servers you can play on, regardless of whether your account is registered with Sony or Prosieben. To change your server options, you just need to change the language selection in the upper right corner of the launcher to English (US).

Planetside 2: Too PvP oriented and i died too quickly and too often to get into it.

That's a pitty, once you get into the game it is rather good.

Can someone recommend a MMO that isn't too grindy? PvP is a big focus for me.

If you want PvP in an MMO, I honestly don't think you can do better than EVE. Read up on how the market works and you can spend a couple hours a week generating ISK through trading, then spend however much time you want/can actually fighting.