Saints Row The Third Catch-All

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1Dgaf wrote:

How the f*ck are we supposed to tell what we're buying if they can show adverts with content that isn't in the box? Not angry at you, of course.

Not sure. I've noticed the RPS previews all reference the Genki content too without noting that it's pre-order DLC. Which either means, a) they're unaware (doubtful) or b) the Genki content is just a reskin of items already in the game.

I'm not sure if this is a dishonest practice or not. Do we know when the decision was made to make those items DLC and when that trailer was produced? Portal 2 had some unreleased content in their announcement trailers which was later removed. Maybe it's an analogous situation?

The gamespot trailer was posted on November 2nd, the DLC page on THQ went up on the November 10th.

I've asked Volition to clarify whether the bike is DLC or not. If they reply, I'll ask about why they're advertising it.

I want to play this, but I'm tempted to cancel my order and rent. Issue is that one can only play online - or even via system link - if you buy the game new.

What's also galling is that most people won't give a toss about stuff like this.

I never played SR2 online. Don't see that changing much for 3.

If they're advertising preorder-only DLC then it is misleading--but less so if that stuff comes out for everyone else later (though that would probably be at a price). I'm not too bothered by it personally (and not because I preordered) but because it's only a small percentage of what you get in the base game anyway. In the long I'd like to think most preorder bonuses for games don't matter after the first week.

In August a punter posted a list of supposed-DLC. The items in the pack I mentioned are on there. If this list is accurate, it means they'll also selling cheats and unlocks.

I'm cancelling my order. I want to see what people actually get before I buy. I've put pertinent bits in bold.

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A snippet of information has leaked today that reveals more info on what Saints Row: The Third will include DLC wise.

According to a user on se7ensins.com, the game will include the following DLC:

Co-Op Pack

Sometimes all it takes is a friend at your back to help you through the toughest situations. With the Co-Op Pack you can do just that. Play entirely through Saints Row: The Third with your co-op partner and together help the Saints climb once more to the top.

Bloodsucker Pack

Keep the cash flowin' with the Bloodsucker Pack. You'll earn respect and get cash bonuses but it doesn't stop there! You also get payments, money drop, and the ability to regain health through your human shields with The Dracula skill.

Explosive Combat Pack

Throw on your combat gear and add a weapon to your arsenal with the Explosive Combat Pack. The M2 Grenade Launcher sends a plethora of mass explosions right at your enemy, and the Future Soldier Outfit is perfect for any battle.

[NOT SURE]

Go super ballistic with the FunTime! Pack which gives you a new weapon, vehicle, and outfit. Terrorize your enemies by sucking them up and shooting them out with the Genki Man-A-Pult! Pull the trigger on the Mollusk Launcher and unleash the power of an exploding, mind-controlling octopus! And make sure you put on your FunTime! Outfit, because who doesn't want to look like Professor Genki!

Invincible Pack

More cheats than you'll know what to do with. Never worry about dying or running out of ammo! Experience the thrill of Zero Gravity and unlock the Get Down Cheat that makes you ultra limber. Super Saints gives you better guns and better health while Ultimate Clip ensures that you're always ready to fire. Get Infinite Mass for your vehicle plus Super Explosions and you'll be ready for anything!

[NOT SURE]

The ultimate collection of goods for Nyte Blayde fans! Look just like a Nyte Blayde star with exact replicas of the Altar Boy and Bloody Cannoness Outfits. Experience the excitement of Nyte Blayde's adventures as you get behind the wheel of the Nyte Blayde Mobile vehicle. The top off your full Nyte Blayde experience by zipping around town on the Bloody Cannoness Bike!

Shark Attack Pack

Add to your wardrobe and weapon cache with the Shark Attack Pack. The Shark-O-Matic shoots out a steady stream of slimy fish guts, attracting whatever may lurk under the streets of Steelport. And if that isn't enough, the Shark Bite Hat allows you to experience the feeling of being caught in the jaws of a great white.

Special Ops Vehicle Pack

A collection of fully equipped military vehicles for your garage. The Saints VTOL features jet and hover modes making airborne attacks easy and stylish. The Saints Tank and Saints MRAP are the ultimate in armored warfare, showing your opponents the Saints aren't to be messed with.

Steelport Gangs Pack

Get some new gangwear for your wardrobe with six new outfits. Disguise yourself as a Morningstar Solider or blend in with the Luchador Specialist crowd. You can even try out the Decker cyberpunk style and get in touch with your inner techno-goth!

Unlockable Pack

The Unlockable Pack gives access to all unlockable items, upgrades and bonuses that weren’t chosen during normal gameplay. Now you can have it all!

Warrior Pack

The Warrior Pack adds four combat-ready outfits to your wardrobe. Antiques never go out of style with the Knight of Steelport Armor, or go for something a little more revealing with the Warrior Princess outfit. Bring out your inner samurai with the Kabuki Warrior Outfit or choose the Intergalactic Warrior Outfit for an out of this world look.

Z Style Pack

Live the high life of Zimos himself by adding a weapon to your arsenal and an outfit to your wardrobe with the Z Style Pack. You won't go unnoticed in the bold and pimpalicious outfit good enough to be called The "Z". Arm yourself with the super flashy Bling Shotgun and your bullets won't be the only thing that makes an impact.

Right now this is classified as a rumor until confirmed by THQ. If this is true, the game will sell like hot cakes.

And me as well

Co-Op Pack

Sometimes all it takes is a friend at your back to help you through the toughest situations. With the Co-Op Pack you can do just that. Play entirely through Saints Row: The Third with your co-op partner and together help the Saints climb once more to the top.

Soooo, can I play co-op with the base game or not? The steam page advertises "co-op" and I am damned if I have to go out and kick THQ in the nuts to get that.
I think I'll look around for the consumer rights stuff we have in Germany …

MeatMan wrote:

Invite for me too, please.

Sent!

Complex wrote:

And me as well

Seems you have an invite pending.

Plastefuchs wrote:
Co-Op Pack

Sometimes all it takes is a friend at your back to help you through the toughest situations. With the Co-Op Pack you can do just that. Play entirely through Saints Row: The Third with your co-op partner and together help the Saints climb once more to the top.

Soooo, can I play co-op with the base game or not? The steam page advertises "co-op" and I am damned if I have to go out and kick THQ in the nuts to get that.
I think I'll look around for the consumer rights stuff we have in Germany …

That can't be real.

Co-optimus said that for co-op on 360 you'll online pass which comes with new purchases. I don't think you can play system link without it, either.

Plastefuchs wrote:

Soooo, can I play co-op with the base game or not? The steam page advertises "co-op" and I am damned if I have to go out and kick THQ in the nuts to get that.
I think I'll look around for the consumer rights stuff we have in Germany …

I'm guessing by "Co-op" they mean "Horde mode" in the base game.

I'm not terribly put off by the DLC. It's a little weird that they were advertising some of it in the recent trailer, but I've gotten to the point where I half expect companies to carve the "good stuff" out of the game and package it as DLC. Hopefully it's all sold via Steam so I can get it at a price reasonable to me depending on what's actually offered and the reviews/word of mouth.

EDIT: Actually, I'll be more miffed if the Prof. Genki isn't made available for everyone after release. While I think pre-order incentives are nifty and all that, I feel all game content should be available in some form after release to all your customers. Exclusive re-skins and vanity items are fine to keep exclusive to pre-orders/patrons, but weapons and actual content relevant to gameplay shouldn't be exclusive.

Shoptroll, they will take your money for it, don't sweat about that.

I'd like to know if there will be story co-op and how much it costs. Me and a friend are basically buying it for that.

I wonder if the Nyte Blayde stuff is used by NPCs in the regular game and by the PC if you purchase it as DLC. If that's the case, then it could both be in the game and DLC-only, which would make me feel a little better about it being in the advertisements. I know Genki's in the game even if you don't get the Genki suit.

I'm not trolling or baiting when I ask this: have people stopped caring about companies taking the piss?

I don't know how to respond to shoptroll implying - and I doubt he's alone - that he's stopped caring and assumes companies will treat consumers poorly.

It's only recently that I started to become incredibly wary of game devs, but it's been a while since I trusted trailers or adverts as to the quality of a gameplay experience. But I never expected them to advertise things that aren't in the damn game.

I am also buying for co-op, this is the first I have heard of a "Co-op" DLC, hopefully it is just something to stop resale of the game.

It's not official DLC. That was a list that surfaced in August, unofficially. Some of the content matches DLC that has been revealed now. The issue is we're trying to figure out what's legit and what isn't.

@ChrisGwinn: I'm wondering the same. I'm also wondering if most of those packs are instant access to things that might take longer to obtain.

1Dgaf wrote:

I'm not trolling or baiting when I ask this: have people stopped caring about companies taking the piss?

I don't know how to respond to shoptroll implying - and I doubt he's alone - that he's stopped caring and assumes companies will treat consumers poorly.

I think right now it's usually more prudent to wait for a price drop (since the trend appears to be offer at least $30 worth of DLC for most games) or get the Gold/GOTY/SuperHyperSpecialDeluxEdition a year later. Which was probably prudent before this generation too, but I think you got more value from a $30 expansion pack than $30 worth of DLC for most games. If I'm having fun with a game (or I want to give more money to the devs), I'll definitely buy the DLC especially if it's new content and not skins. But it has to be priced appropriately, and a lot of companies really don't since pricing is really subjective. For example, I bought all the Borderlands DLC at full price except for Moxxi which I didn't think was worth the $10 price. I managed to grab it off a Steam sale for $2.50 or $5 which I felt was the right price for a minor addition to the game.

Also, having a mountain of a pile helps a lot too in terms of not caring that much

For SR3 I've decided I'm just going to wait for the GOTY all-in-one pack. It pains me to see a developer butcher their game into pieces. Yes, yes, I know, I'm sure the core game is there in the base game, but it really gives the impression you're not getting a whole game and are being short-changed.

I know I've ranted about it before, but developers and publishers need to budget their games correctly so that 'the game' fits into what they expect to get out of a bunch of people buying it at normal price.

I just remembered, that this game comes from the same publisher that sells 6€ DLC skins for the singleplayer part of DoW 2 Retribution …
Damn

Just read the PC Gamer review. Says there's co-op in the campaign, no mention of DLC. Maybe that's what comes with the new game online pass then?

1Dgaf wrote:

I'm not trolling or baiting when I ask this: have people stopped caring about companies taking the piss?

I care. But I don't care about companies being incredibly unconvincingly rumored to be taking the piss.

This is usually the sort of thing I'd be bothered by, but this one doesn't. I hope that it's not because I love SR and I'm giving them an undeserved pass. Maybe I've just been worn down by all the other DLC shenanigans that we've been through.

http://store.steampowered.com/news/6...

Pre-Load is UP!

Meatman, you were right

Now, I'll need to have GMG give me the key...

Oh, and nice items for TF2 are as well implemented sor Steam purchase.. Wonder if you'll received them from other resellers.. guess not, but heck, would be fun.

Can I have an invite to the group as well?

Manach wrote:

http://store.steampowered.com/news/6...

Pre-Load is UP!

Meatman, you were right ;)

Hot damn!

Pre-loading must have a ridiculously low priority though, because I'm trying to now. During the first minute, it was downloading slowly at around 50 KB/s (give or take), and now it's stopped completely (still at 0%). To test the server, I installed a very small game, and it downloaded at 1.5 MB/s, thus confirming the lack of priority/resources allocated for pre-loading.

Oh well. I'll just leave my PC on with Steam running until SR3 is fully pre-loaded. Plenty of time between now and Tuesday.

Hypatian wrote:
1Dgaf wrote:

I'm not trolling or baiting when I ask this: have people stopped caring about companies taking the piss?

I care. But I don't care about companies being incredibly unconvincingly rumored to be taking the piss.

This. I would wait and see exactly what they put out as DLC before getting angry at the publisher/developer over a list that hasn't been confirmed.

Hypatian wrote:

I care. But I don't care about companies being incredibly unconvincingly rumored to be taking the piss.

Maybe you missed it, but here's a link to my original post:

http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/1...

You'll see an advert, with gameplay, from November 1st. But on November 10th one of the vehicles in the advert was announced as DLC. I think that the astronaut bit from the advert might be DLC, too.

EDIT:

I'm happy to be proved wrong, since I want the game. But whether or not it's in the game, this is a failure of marketing. There should be as little ambiguity as possible when it comes to what's in a product and isn't. This applies to advertising, PR, SKUs, retailer specific deals and so on.

I want the game, too, so I'm going to buy it. I also want all the content for it, so I'll buy that too.

LobsterMobster wrote:

I want the game, too, so I'm going to buy it. I also want all the content for it, so I'll buy that too.

I wonder if DLC earns more money for the developer since it's cutting out distribution and retail costs. If that's the case, would DLC be analogous to seeing a band on tour after buying their latest album?

(Flawed analogy is flawed, yaddah yaddah yaddah)

If they keep releasing awesome content, I'm very okay with throwing money at Violition.

I guess the big distinction is that while I wouldn't mind a clear explanation being made of what's going to be only available in DLC, I don't see it being a dick move to show DLC things in ads for the product. Possibly that's because I don't care about collecting everything in the game. Dunno.

Regardless, I see a reaction to the original "this ad is showing DLC stuff" of "therefore Volition is evil and I'm canceling my preorder" as being more than a bit hyperbolic.

I preordered a while back. I am satisfied that when I start playing the game it will be full of SR3. Maybe I'd think a lot differently if I had ordered because I saw an ad and thought "OMG space gangstas, I previously didn't want the game but now I MUST HAVE IT."