Europa Universalis IV Catch-All

OK, so here we are. Britain are finally free of being defender of the faith, and in that time I allied Mali as well just to get an extra belligerent on my side. So in one corner we've got:

Ottoman Empire, Russia, Britain and Mali (plus all subjects)

vs.

France, Lorraine, Poland and the Papal State (plus all subjects)

Unfortunately, Vijayanagar are also an ally of mine, but deem it too distant a war to fight in. Which is a shame, as I could've used them.

This is pretty much alternative WW1 at this point, right?

Clusks wrote:

OK, so here we are. Britain are finally free of being defender of the faith, and in that time I allied Mali as well just to get an extra belligerent on my side. So in one corner we've got:

Ottoman Empire, Russia, Britain and Mali (plus all subjects)

vs.

France, Lorraine, Poland and the Papal State (plus all subjects)

Unfortunately, Vijayanagar are also an ally of mine, but deem it too distant a war to fight in. Which is a shame, as I could've used them.

This is pretty much alternative WW1 at this point, right?

A world war without the Germans to blame, that is definately alternative history

Sounds like quite the power struggle. Good luck!

Clusks wrote:

OK, so here we are. Britain are finally free of being defender of the faith, and in that time I allied Mali as well just to get an extra belligerent on my side. So in one corner we've got:

Ottoman Empire, Russia, Britain and Mali (plus all subjects)

vs.

France, Lorraine, Poland and the Papal State (plus all subjects)

Unfortunately, Vijayanagar are also an ally of mine, but deem it too distant a war to fight in. Which is a shame, as I could've used them.

This is pretty much alternative WW1 at this point, right?

Am I the only one waiting on pins and needles to hear how alternative WWI worked out?

easy sunday wrote:
Clusks wrote:

OK, so here we are. Britain are finally free of being defender of the faith, and in that time I allied Mali as well just to get an extra belligerent on my side. So in one corner we've got:

Ottoman Empire, Russia, Britain and Mali (plus all subjects)

vs.

France, Lorraine, Poland and the Papal State (plus all subjects)

Unfortunately, Vijayanagar are also an ally of mine, but deem it too distant a war to fight in. Which is a shame, as I could've used them.

This is pretty much alternative WW1 at this point, right?

Am I the only one waiting on pins and needles to hear how alternative WWI worked out?

Same here. Just waiting.

Well, that *is* authentic to history, right?

Sorry all! I'll be able to give an update next week, I haven't been able to play the game because I - A. Got a Nintendo Switch, B. Windows 10 update has messed up my computer a bit. But I am off work next week until January next year, so I will be able to write something in detail, hopefully!

I'd quite like to stream it too, but I was having issues capturing the game when I was doing Extra Life too, but I'll try get plenty screenshots with the free time I've got this Christmas!

Clusks wrote:

Sorry all! I'll be able to give an update next week, I haven't been able to play the game because I - A. Got a Nintendo Switch, B. Windows 10 update has messed up my computer a bit. But I am off work next week until January next year, so I will be able to write something in detail, hopefully!

I'd quite like to stream it too, but I was having issues capturing the game when I was doing Extra Life too, but I'll try get plenty screenshots with the free time I've got this Christmas!

Boo! Windows 10. Our nemesis.

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Victory!

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A long, bloody, horrible war. I was trying to take more screenshots, but I got so involved, and it was so widespread that it was hard to do. Almost 2m men lost, and many more from the other belligerents, I imagine.

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This was the state of play for battleground Europe, of course there were places colonised in far reaches, but due to the strength of the French navy, this made it impossible to win anything there. The focus was on Europe.

Great Britain offered very little (no surprise), while Russia handled a lot of the Polish threat until they eventually agreed a separate peace treaty, at that point, things became a bit trickier, as the French managed to invade at various parts and spread out. This was more a nuisance than anything, although their attack on the Austria border was well supplied. Once the war started, I became defender of the faith to help my armies along, I was quite worried about the strength of the European armies compared to mine, so most of my victories were gained through picking off smaller armies or piling men in.

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I managed to get into the Papal State and inflict a few heavy defeats on their armies. This came at quite the cost to me, but as one of the stronger nations that could be peaced out, it was vital to get rid of them. It also meant that I could easily march into Southern Italy and take the Sicilian island. France didn't even once really try to attack me here.

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The key to victory was winning Spain, France seemed so caught up in invading and taking worthless provinces that I was able to take hold of almost the whole of Spain. The forts here were vital to the war effort, with France managing to get an army there eventually but it was too late, and with my 70k men parked there, I could easily attack other units and make the enemy abandon their siege.

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Man power dried up fast, and I had to put myself into mountains of debt in order to fund mercenaries and keep it going. I could afford to though, as these were the final 3 pieces of the puzzle I needed, so whatever happens beyond them is irrelevant to me. In no way the best strategy (although I've watched some of FlorryWorry on Twitch and he seems to use some sort of trick with loans or debasing in most of his games when he's trying something crazy), but I just put everything aside and focused on what I needed.

The peace deal itself was excruciating, for just four provinces it had a war score of initially 49, and then 65 after a while. When I peaced out, all remaining nations had low morale, France offered plenty times to just give me Sevilla, but I knew I needed to get all of the places in one war, another war just wouldn't do.

Quite bizzarely too, towards the end of the war, Lorraine, who I peaced out, gained a personal union over France, with France being the junior partner! So, I'm not sure who I was fighting in the end.

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Thanks Clusks — I love a good after action report. Also, Lorraine got a PU over France!? That's a big get for Lorraine!

Clusks wrote:

Man power dried up fast, and I had to put myself into mountains of debt in order to fund mercenaries and keep it going. I could afford to though, as these were the final 3 pieces of the puzzle I needed, so whatever happens beyond them is irrelevant to me. In no way the best strategy (although I've watched some of FlorryWorry on Twitch and he seems to use some sort of trick with loans or debasing in most of his games when he's trying something crazy), but I just put everything aside and focused on what I needed.

The most recent patch (or maybe the one before that?) changed mercenaries so they cost way more than they did in past patches.
Regarding, debasing currency. I usually think debasing is a really bad idea, but I know that folks like Florry who play on the edge like to do it if they're planning on declaring bankruptcy. I think the strategy is to: (1) take all loans and debase currency as much as possible to get a huge pile of cash, (2) declare war on everyone and use the cash to peace out with truces longer than the bankruptcy, (3) declare bankruptcy and ride it out in peace because of the truces while rooting out the corruption from debasement, (4) 10 years later, emerge loan free. I've never tried this, as it seems like a crazy strategy to me.

I think that debasing currency can also make more sense than taking loans if your general autonomy levels are really high, but I've never really looked into it. The amount you get from debasing is based on your total development (same as loan size) and the amount you pay back is somehow based on your autonomy-modified development. So there's some point where the math works out that debasing currency is free money, but only if your autonomy level is really high. I imagine it only makes sense if for some reason your autonomy is really high everywhere (but for most people this shouldn't happen very often). Maybe with horde nations, or it you're way way over your state limit?

This game finally hooked me, at least in the "wow, is it really that late?" type of way. That happens to me pretty rarely.

I have a good run as France going with the goal of getting the "reacquire all your cores" achievement.

Burgundy was being a huge jerk and then their duke died and they basically got absorbed by me? I'm not sure how that worked but I'm happy it did.

I havent played this game in awhile but reading the after action report gave me the itch to dig back in.

Michael wrote:

This game finally hooked me, at least in the "wow, is it really that late?" type of way. That happens to me pretty rarely.

I have a good run as France going with the goal of getting the "reacquire all your cores" achievement.

Burgundy was being a huge jerk and then their duke died and they basically got absorbed by me? I'm not sure how that worked but I'm happy it did.

The Burgundian inheirentance is a pretty common happening in the game. It’ll usually fall to Austria or France, but he seen Spain and Great Britain end up with those wealthy lands too.

Here's Tboon's canonical list of EU4 DLC - can someone put this link in the OP?

Michael wrote:

This game finally hooked me, at least in the "wow, is it really that late?" type of way. That happens to me pretty rarely.

I have a good run as France going with the goal of getting the "reacquire all your cores" achievement.

Burgundy was being a huge jerk and then their duke died and they basically got absorbed by me? I'm not sure how that worked but I'm happy it did.

I find that with EU IV, the achievements are a game where they actually work. Not all of them, but a lot of them on the list give you good goals to aim for, with a varying degree of difficulty.

Robear wrote:

Here's Tboon's canonical list of EU4 DLC - can someone put this link in the OP?

Done!

Alright Sands, you are 100% responsible for me being here! Let’s see how many millisands (maybe even centisands?) I can get out of this game.

I noticed Paradox is having a EUIV sale over on their website.

I've been thinking of getting back into the game but have fallen off the DLC train some time ago.

I've got all the major stuff up through The Cossacks.

That leaves me with the following to choose from:

Mare Nostrum
Rights of Man
Mandate of Heaven
Cradle of Civilization
Third Rome

I did some digging around already and many say Rights of Man is a must-own, so I'll likely start with that.

My question is, from the list above is there any other must-own material?

Cheers.

Depends. I would say Rights of Man is a meh buy. I mean, if you are really into the game, it gives you more stuff to do but if you are coming back you won't miss that stuff.

Other ones are situational (I have not picked up Cradle of Civilization - bad tboon! - so don't have an opinion on it but I have heard it has some good stuff in it). Do you want to play a lot of Russia-area games? Third Rome has some extra Russia-area-flavored stuff in it. Ditto with Mandate of Heaven and what we used to call the Far East (China, Japan, etc.). Mare Nostrum is one of the weaker DLCs in my opinion.

My recommendation would be to just start playing what you have and pick this stuff up as you want unless it is super cheap and you just want to have it all. I don't think there's been a "must buy" expansion since Common Sense, to be honest.

Good deal.

Thanks for fielding the question.

EDIT: I did end up nabbing the Rights of Man collection. Mainly because it gave off a slight CK2 vibe with more personalized touches for the ruling parties. Also nabbed a couple music packs I didn't have collected yet. That was pretty easy as they were only a buck a pop.

Called it a day after that as anything newer (other than Mare Nostrom) cost more than 50% off. I think that's my bare minimum for DLC that I'm on the fence with.

I have a problem...

Even though I still haven't played in years I'm having trouble resisting buying the music and content packs with the buy 2 get one free sale at the PAradox store. I've got the cart loaded up. The sale ends today so I only have a a little more to wait. Maybe I should go do some errands and let it expire. Those units look cool.

If anything I should get something I have a high chance of playing.

Robc, I would only get those if they give you joy while playing. I have them; I love the little details in the figures and I sometimes play with the music on, it gives variety. But if you aren't into that, and you don't play much, well, I'd go with your doubts in that case. Until you get to the point where you think the game is drab and ugly without them, let it go.

They will be on sale again.

Yeah, I know

First I was just thinking about the music packs because I always thought the EU music was good. Then I kept looking at all those colorful uniforms and thought they looked cool too.

I always say EU IV is probably the best game that I don't play. I played as Portugal at release and then again 1X later. I think I may have started a game as Brandenburg too. Despite it being a little overwhelming for novices, I actually liked it. But for some reason every time I think about playing it I just can't muster the activation energy to start a game.

robc wrote:

Yeah, I know

First I was just thinking about the music packs because I always thought the EU music was good. Then I kept looking at all those colorful uniforms and thought they looked cool too.

I always say EU IV is probably the best game that I don't play. I played as Portugal at release and then again 1X later. I think I may have started a game as Brandenburg too. Despite it being a little overwhelming for novices, I actually liked it. But for some reason every time I think about playing it I just can't muster the activation energy to start a game.

I occasionally feel the need to buy extra stuff when it is on sale too. But silly me decided to play CK2, Stellaris, EUIV while only having time for one game :P. This time I was extra silly, I bought me HOI4 and Victoria2 as well. CK2 is my main game, I still feel like I can start up a game there without having a clue what is going on (never did a good Islamic, Horde or Indian game yet, nor did I try eastern Europe or Spain or France or.... TOO MUCH!).

EUIV was my first Paradox game and I must start up a game on it in the near future, I must... but when lol. With Aaron mentioning of Rights of Man giving the game a more CK2 vibe I am curious. What can I expect there?

Is Spain still rooky start?

I probably play EU4 & CK2 way less than most (75 & 250 hrs respectively), but I’ve always viewed cosmetic DLC as a tip jar for Paradox.

I absolutely love the work they do and though I’m also a slow learner as well, I still feel they’re a “national treasure” within the industry, offering best in class experiences with no compromise in complexity & depth.

Sometimes I stay caught up with the DLC, sometimes I fall behind and go one a spending spree when my interest is reignited. Though I typically do try to stick to my 50% off rule if I’m not actively engaged with a particular title.

I may not get as much value for the dollar as the 1K+ club, but I have absolutely zero regrets supporting Paradox grand strat titles. They’re the games that never leave my hard drive and I get a certain comfort just knowing they’re there, ready & waiting for any time I want to take a dive into the deep end of the gaming experience.

SparrowOne wrote:

I occasionally feel the need to buy extra stuff when it is on sale too. But silly me decided to play CK2, Stellaris, EUIV while only having time for one game :P. This time I was extra silly, I bought me HOI4 and Victoria2 as well. CK2 is my main game, I still feel like I can start up a game there without having a clue what is going on (never did a good Islamic, Horde or Indian game yet, nor did I try eastern Europe or Spain or France or.... TOO MUCH!).

EUIV was my first Paradox game and I must start up a game on it in the near future, I must... but when lol. With Aaron mentioning of Rights of Man giving the game a more CK2 vibe I am curious. What can I expect there?

Is Spain still rooky start?

You were more silly than I was!

I like starting with Portugal because if you're friendly with Spain you can colonize and expand south.

robc wrote:

But for some reason every time I think about playing it I just can't muster the activation energy to start a game.

EUIV is a game where I start a lot of games and play for an hour then start a new game weeks later. If I can get past that hour mark though I'm locked in my office for days.

What I find crazy is I get a DLC focusing on an area (say the Middle East) I fire up the game and decide to play a nation that isn't associated with the DLC. I just got Cradle of Civilization and thought it would be a great time to try my hand at Denmark.

SparrowOne wrote:

EUIV was my first Paradox game and I must start up a game on it in the near future, I must... but when lol. With Aaron mentioning of Rights of Man giving the game a more CK2 vibe I am curious. What can I expect there?

Is Spain still rooky start?

Rights of Man has ruler personality traits they get at certain points in their lives that provide positive and negative "tweaks" to the existing systems. So like getting the Calm traits means stability costs slightly less while Cruel slightly increases unrest. These traits get applied to the rulers (so ruler, consort, and heir). IMO a little flavor but nothing to write home about.

RoM also has traits for military leaders. They may get them after participating in their first battle, the odds of getting one increasing with military tradition. These are a bigger deal in the game because the bonuses applied are pretty good if I remember correctly. But they only apply to the army or fleet that leader is in charge of.

So not really much like CK2, I don't think, but a little flavor in that direction.

As for rookie nation, Castile is still pretty good but does face a number of challenges. The Ottomans have been nerfed somewhat and are probably not a good starter nation any more. As mentioned by robc, Portugal is pretty good to start with if you are interested in colonization - unless things break in certain ways Portugal will never be a continental powerhouse. It is hard now to recommend one nation wholeheartedly as Paradox have rebalanced the game a lot. Castile is probably the easiest to start playing though as they have a lot of options about how to play them while having some very well defined short term objectives as the game starts.

Flintheart Glomgold wrote:
robc wrote:

But for some reason every time I think about playing it I just can't muster the activation energy to start a game.

What I find crazy is I get a DLC focusing on an area (say the Middle East) I fire up the game and decide to play a nation that isn't associated with the DLC. I just got Cradle of Civilization and thought it would be a great time to try my hand at Denmark.

That's funny!

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Just finished my non-ironman France run to get back into the game. I had to deal with a Swedish/Austrian/Russian alliance that slowed my progress but I think it went pretty well.

Wild speculation time; What year will we see EU V?