Europa Universalis IV Catch-All

BadKen wrote:
tboon wrote:

Not sure what you mean there. I had the event fire and took the other choice ("marry the local talent"). There's no right (or wrong) choice there.

Well, it seemed to me that gaining Aragon via personal union, and the other benefits from that marriage, far outweighed the other option.

Oh, in my game, by the time that event fired I had Aragon down to 3 continental provinces. There will be a union all right, I just didn't think it needed to be personal. Again, it just kind of depends on what you want to do and where you are in the game.

BadKen wrote:

By "right" choice, I mean Reconquista first. Delaying that lead to nothing but grief for me, twice.

Ah, I see what you are saying now. Hmm, I guess I have never thought about it like that; the mission system pushes you in that direction and there's this tiny sliver that you have a CB on from the start that has next to no defenses. It always has seemed like the logical thing to do first to me in all my Castille playthroughs going back to EU2 even. I don't know that it is the "right" thing to do and I am pretty sure that the game does not make it that way. It certainly is the expedient thing to do though.

BadKen wrote:

It's probably more to do with me stumbling around not knowing what I'm doing, though.For example, I couldn't figure out how to split a force once it started a siege. I had the bulk of my army tied up in a year long siege when I could have used most of them to chase down the remains of Aragon's army and defend the borders.

If you select a sieging army, click "Select Army", there's a button that will divide the army into a sieging force and the rest. I think it is in the upper right of the army screen, middle of three buttons. A nice little timesaver over previous incarnations.

CptDomano wrote:

Thing I realized last night right before declaring war on Granada:

Build your army BEFORE you declare war, silly. It's definitely not like CK2 where you just click a button and you have instant armies.

I was going to mention that while we were Steam chatting but forgot to. Sorry.

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tboon wrote:
CptDomano wrote:

Thing I realized last night right before declaring war on Granada:

Build your army BEFORE you declare war, silly. It's definitely not like CK2 where you just click a button and you have instant armies.

I was going to mention that while we were Steam chatting but forgot to. Sorry.

JEEZ YOU RUINED MY WHOLE GAME BY NOT TELLING ME THAT! It just took longer to win than I would have liked. No worries!

My CK2 game is rapidly closing in on the end of the CK2 timeframe, then I will port over the save to EU4 and continue Hispania's quest for European domination. My previous ruler passed on finally, and his son is nowhere near the man his father was. He's had to bribe and assassinate and coerce vassal after vassal to keep the various factions in check that are seeking to supplant him as the head of the empire (or outright seek independence).

On the plus side, I now am closing in on owning half of France's historical lands. Woot! Also, Jerusalem has conquered about a third of the HRE, and the HRE keeps disintegrating and reforming. It's going to be a crazy start to EU4.

tboon wrote:
BadKen wrote:

It's probably more to do with me stumbling around not knowing what I'm doing, though.For example, I couldn't figure out how to split a force once it started a siege. I had the bulk of my army tied up in a year long siege when I could have used most of them to chase down the remains of Aragon's army and defend the borders.

If you select a sieging army, click "Select Army", there's a button that will divide the army into a sieging force and the rest. I think it is in the upper right of the army screen, middle of three buttons. A nice little timesaver over previous incarnations.

Yes! Thank you. I just picked this up also from watching Quill18's EU4 Intro for New Players. It's a few hours long, but it's gold:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGH-S...

I dunno how the multiplayer would actually work in this game, to be honest. My games are spent at like 80% on the fastest speed, then pausing whenever there may be something that needs my attention. I couldn't imagine the MP for a game like this to be too terribly exciting if you have to play the game at normal speed the whole time. Unless maybe the host dictates the speed? Only problem I see with that is if other players are busy trying to analyze the game or trying to set up specific tasks they might get left behind.

I'm not sure, but I think that the slowest speed "request" is the one that is honored. IE, you move at the pace dictated by whoever is doing their thoughtful analysis at that time.

My (first) attempt at glory ended poorly last night. Before I knew it I was broke, my armies were decimated, I had three provinces in revolt and Aragon had just declared war and fielded a massive army. On the good side, I did take over Grenada.

I learnt a few things, the most important being "Don't play a new strategy game while under the influence."

Ugh. Just got hit with serfdom rebellions. Despite giving in to their demands (for a nice -6 stability), the rebellions started anyway. My manpower was down due to the third Castille-Aragon War and my combined army just got its ass kicked by some rebels. I also have fallen behind the tech race thanks to the crappy 0/0/0 Castillian kings.

IMAGE(http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/594760137317273649/A7EAEE854489530DA9E8D8554298857C1FDE3D91/)Bad times.

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After 15 hours, here's my general thoughts in no particular order. I refer to the previous EUs a lot; I think most folks in this thread played those and they are a good basis for comparison.

1) Rebels appear to be overpowered. Or it may be that the nations are underpowered at this point in the game. I'm not sure but any rebellion now is a pretty serious deal vs just a nuisance like in the previous games.

2) Leaders seemed to count much more than in previous games. Sending an army out with no leader is a really bad idea now. Having generals require military point upkeep means you have to make some hard choices.

3) I love the tension between the "get it now" and the "save up for something big" mentalities. The new A/D/M points system works really well to make that happen.

4) I like that money is less important than it was (although, don't get me wrong, it is still very very important). Money is only slightly more important than A/D/M points whereas in prior games it was way out of line with the other forms of "currency" in the game.

5) I don't fully grok trade yet but the parts I do think I understand are pretty fascinating. It will be interesting to see how this mechanic develops when some higher tech comes into play.

6) The new siege mechanic is well-documented in the UI. Instead of being a mystery as to when/why a siege finally succeed and what all those stages mean, all this is finally in a tooltip.

7) Oh and the diplomacy system is pretty great. So many choices, so much to do. Even if it usually boils down to "Improve relations" most of the time.

8) I like how things that you start all seem to have an end date. Instead of hoping the RNG finally rolled something your way, I like that fabricating a claim (for instance) will eventually succeed.

Still digging the game. I don't know that it is as good a game as CK2 has become, but CK2 really is like no other game, even CK1 (presentation matters ) whereas EU4 is like the previous EUs (not a bad thing). But I think it is a really great improvement over EU3 and am really looking forward to seeing what Paradox does with this.

Played a bit as Aragon last night, and found myself for awhile in a pretty stable position. Castille was predictably snotty, but I made a few early alliances while they were messing around in Grenada that reinforced my position pretty well. Got Navarra as a vassal, and was ticking nicely through some missions. In general got about a tech level ahead of most of my neighbors and was feeling pretty good about things.

That was when I allied myself with England, which as I look back on it was not my smartest move as a French neighbor. England managed to bungle themselves along with me into a massive war. But instead of being able to send troops to the mainland to fight, they ended up getting themselves fully invaded by Scotland, which had essentially decimated their holdings. Meanwhile, once France crushed Burgandy, they launched themselves across the Pyrenees and smashed my armies. Fortunately they kept getting distracted by skirmishes in their own lands, and so didn't bother to siege any of my provinces. Just come down from time to time to obliterate whatever small army I had managed to cobble back together.

Manpower largely spent and no meaningful standing army to speak of, Castille saw its chance and took it. Though I was able to convince Portugal to intercede, they had just gotten out of a nasty campaign in Morocco and had little influence into the outcome.

Alas, a learning game.

CK2 Scandinavia game imported:

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Not sure if I will play this much, just testing out the converter.

Turns out that since I bought CK2 through GamersGate and EU4 through Steam that I cannot use my GG CK2 version to do the conversion. *But*, I got a version of CK2 for free via Steam that read my DLC'd-up game from the GG version and did the conversion. So I guess I have a version of CK2 that will just be used for converting CK2 games to EU4. Which is weird. But it appears to be working (I played a couple of months and things look like they work fine).

So, if you pre-ordered EU4 and got the CK2 converter, here's how you use it:

Load a game up in CK2, pick a country (it does not have to be the country you normally play - note that depending on where you bought CK2 and where you pre-ordered EU4, you may not have the DLC necessary to pick the country you were playing as in CK2; in this case just select anything that you can, the exported EU4 mod will be named that but it really doesn't matter) and start the game. Hit ESC to bring up the game menu. There should be an option to Export, click it. The exporter will tell you the name of the EU4 game it is exporting to. Click OK and wait for a couple of minutes. Exit CK2.

Fire up EU4. On the launcher, you should see the game you exporter in the mods list:

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Select it and start your game. Select the country you were playing as in CK2 and voila!

Okay, so I successfully won my initial war against Granada, but I can't seem to convert the countries I gained (Granada and Almeria). Taking a look at the tooltip:

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Shows that the base value and the fact that Granada is Sunni cancel each other out, so there would never be a time where my missionaries could convert. Is this something that will just change over time and I just have to deal with it, or is there something else I could be doing?

Maybe reduce the province tax rate and send more missionaries?

Third time is definitely the charm for me. I'm having great fun with my Castile game this time around. Trading off between beating up on Aragon and then on the Sunnis. I've just got conquistadors & explorers, so I'll be colonizing soon, too.

It's 1490 and things are looking okay for now.

BTW, that super slow conversion thing happened to me and I thought it was a bug, because when I reloaded the game, the conversion said it would be finished in under a year. I didn't do anything that I'm aware of to change it. I may have increased stability. Sorry I don't have more details, I'm still kind of stumbling around in the dark, especially with religious stuff.

BadKen wrote:

Third time is definitely the charm for me. I'm having great fun with my Castile game this time around. Trading off between beating up on Aragon and then on the Sunnis. I've just got conquistadors & explorers, so I'll be colonizing soon, too.

If you haven't messed around with the economic stuff much, take a look at embargos. In the Sevilla, Mauritania? (the one on the coast of Africa), and Caribbean trade nodes Portugal was basically my entire competition. If you set them as your rival and then embargo them, your trade dollars will go up considerably. I'm pretty sure you need to rival them first or the embargo also negatively affects you. Note that both the rival status and embargo will piss off Portugal. Between that and the wars taking their islands my Portugal has a little "enraged" icon and modifier against me.

Been trying a Portugal game, and had similar issues with religious conversion. I decided that discretion was the better part of valor and sold off my African holdings back to Morocco for 230 ducats. One problem down, several dozen to go.

How not to do it:

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Taken about six months before Castile was broken. Note that Grenada is back and better than ever and Aragon is back too. Note my sorry army trying to fight back the tide.

I got distracted messing with imported CK2 games but I will come back to this and see how I can make things worse.

Jeez, what happened?! It looked like you were doing pretty well here (if that's the same game!):

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CptDomano wrote:

Okay, so I successfully won my initial war against Granada, but I can't seem to convert the countries I gained (Granada and Almeria). Taking a look at the tooltip:

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Shows that the base value and the fact that Granada is Sunni cancel each other out, so there would never be a time where my missionaries could convert. Is this something that will just change over time and I just have to deal with it, or is there something else I could be doing?

There are a lot of things that add to missionary conversion power and would help put you over the top. I believe extra stability does it. I think there is an admin advisor that adds to missionary strength. Being Papal controller gives you a bump up. I think being defender of the faith might give you a bump up. There are also national decisions that become available that increase missionary strength. I think prestige might also buff your conversion power. EDIT: I'm in game now, and I was wrong here about prestige and Papal controller helping. However, stability adds a bonus and there are some church events/inquisition events as well as the national decisions I mentioned that add permanent buffs. These are what boosted me enough to eventually convert Granada.

Moggy wrote:

Maybe reduce the province tax rate and send more missionaries?

I don't think he can. I think the Provincial Tax Income malus is there to reflect that they are wealthy/powerful provinces and thus hard to convert.

Also, be careful with the mission that urges you to continue the reconquista in Africa by taking Tangiers, Oran, and Melilla. The mission gives you claims, but once you take them actually coring is insanely expensive. Most of North Africa has a coring cost +200% malus due to Berber culture. (There is a helpful icon for this malus in the middle right of the province screen in the same location where the icons for important trade center and river estuary trade bonuses are located.)

In my game I've assimilated Navarra and Aragon, taken a couple chunks out of continental Portugal, settled the three coastal African provinces between Morocco and Mali, two of the provinces on the eastern tip of Brazil, some of the tiny islands in the West Indies, Cuba, Jamaica, and Hispaniola. I also took the Cape Verde Islands and Azores from Portugal to try to slow down his colonization, but he has now grabbed a couple of small islands for himself.

When I last played, I was conquering the Aztecs and winning, but I'm almost afraid to try and keep too much in the first war because I have no idea how expensive the coring costs will be. Since it is my Ironman game, I don't want to do anything too rash or impulsive.

That was all of the good news. The bad news is that France is fully consolidated, humongous, and hates me (has me set as rival, has claims on my land, has border tension, etc.) To add to that Austria (my ally) inherited Burgandy and a bunch of surrounding territory early in the game, and France has beaten the tar out of them and taken all of it AND is in a personal union with a gigantic version of Hungary that has eaten part of Austria with France's help.

In addition to the scary border with France, I also share a volatile border with Naples in southern Italy (Aragon held the southernmost province by the time I fully annexed them). Naples by itself is not a big deal, but is unfortunately allied with Venice and the France-Hungary behemoth.

With Austria reduced, I'm left with few choices for a "strong" ally to balance against France. England seems like a natural fit, but hates me because I was one of Austria's junior partners a few years back when Austria helped the Irish (who are ruled by members of the Austrian line in my game) toss England out of Ireland. He also doesn't like me because I crippled his navy when he tried to aid Portugal during my theft of Portugal's territories.

Edit: Now I have Big Blue Blob ships sailing around the Caribbean. Looks like France is getting ready to come out and play in the New World. Yippee, another reason for him to hate me.

I'm still working through my first game of EU4, it's not going to bad all things considered!

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My current dilemma is that England, who does not like me, managed to inherit Portugal, which puts me in an awkward position. They've formed a coalition against me, with Morocco and Aragon, which makes it almost impossible for me to do anything militarily now. To make matters more annoying, I have a casus belli for the southern province in Portugal, which is currently occupied by Morocco. I don't have the strength to fight all three countries, but I have this event that keeps popping up that either costs me 1 stability or a 100 diplomatic power because I'm not using the casus belli.

Anyway, still a lot about the game I don't get, but having a blast learning it!

BadKen wrote:

Jeez, what happened?! It looked like you were doing pretty well here (if that's the same game!):

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In this picture he has 36000 rebels (which are definitely not a joke any more, negative stability, only 9000 troops showing, and no manpower. That is a rough spot.

Kosars wrote:

I'm still working through my first game of EU4, it's not going to bad all things considered!

My current dilemma is that England, who does not like me, managed to inherit Portugal, which puts me in an awkward position. They've formed a coalition against me, with Morocco and Aragon, which makes it almost impossible for me to do anything militarily now. To make matters more annoying, I have a casus belli for the southern province in Portugal, which is currently occupied by Morocco. I don't have the strength to fight all three countries, but I have this event that keeps popping up that either costs me 1 stability or a 100 diplomatic power because I'm not using the casus belli.

Anyway, still a lot about the game I don't get, but having a blast learning it!

Just a quick heads up about that Moroccan province at the south end of what used to be Portugal; Portugal similarly lost it to Morocco in my game and the 200% extra coring cost Berber malus had spawned on it. So be careful if you do decide to try and take it from under England/Portugal/Morocco's nose.

Hi friends, looking for people to add to my steam friends list who play EUIV. My steam ID is over here: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/7...

Jasonofindy wrote:
BadKen wrote:

Jeez, what happened?! It looked like you were doing pretty well here (if that's the same game!):

In this picture he has 36000 rebels (which are definitely not a joke any more, negative stability, only 9000 troops showing, and no manpower. That is a rough spot.

Yeah, I got cocky and impatient and fought a 3rd war with Aragon without watching my manpower. Then a ton a rebellions hit (got a "Peasant's War" event which hit for -6 stability) with no manpower and, well, things just went down the tubes. I made a couple of mistakes that cost me pretty dearly. Aside from that war, I had my land and naval spending set to half to save up some money which halved my morale but forgot to set it back to 100% when I went off to fight the rebels. So the rebels killed off a good chunk of my armies before I remembered to set spending back to 100%. Also, with all my warmongering + a couple of crappy 0/0/0 kings, my army tech had fallen behind. So, bad times indeed - Grenadan rebels enforced their demands and then the peasants enforced their demands, so I am at -75% tax rate across the board for the next decade (I think).

Man, the rebels in this game are really tough. They seem to always have a general and, even if he is not that great, still is better than me fighting without one.

This is my first ironman game, so I will trudge on but I do have quite a hole to climb out of. Maybe I will spend the next decade or so concentrating on colonization and exploration while saving up and trying to climb back in the tech race. I still have over 3 centuries to make good.

tboon wrote:

Aside from that war, I had my land and naval spending set to half to save up some money which halved my morale but forgot to set it back to 100% when I went off to fight the rebels.

Unfortunately, I do this way too often as well. I can't believe how many times in EU3 I declared war, disembarked my troops to fight the enemy, and THEN realized I had been paying them almost nothing and they had no morale.

tboon wrote:

This is my first ironman game, so I will trudge on but I do have quite a hole to climb out of. Maybe I will spend the next decade or so concentrating on colonization and exploration while saving up and trying to climb back in the tech race. I still have over 3 centuries to make good. :)

I had my doubts about ironman, especially because of the added difficulty it would cause in grabbing important screenshots for AARs, but removing all ability to save and load really makes me think that much harder about the potential horrible consequences of my actions.

On another note, I just had a mission to restore Rome back to the Papacy. Just a heads up for anyone who tries it, being called into a war by an ally and then peacing out by demanding that Rome is returned to its core owner does in fact return Rome to the Papacy while avoiding any Aggressive Expansion for you, BUT you fail the mission. I'm guessing to get all the mission goodies you have to actually be the war leader and declare using the right Casus Belli.

It's 1513, and I've been doing some exploring (click to embiggen).

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I have all the provinces I need to become Spain, now I just need to achieve Admin level 10. There's very little chance of me annexing or vassalizing the remains of Aragon, because they've allied with France.

I'm buddies with England and Portugal, which is a little weird, because England has declared Portugal a rival. And I have 3 colonies going on the future trade routes that will make me a gazillionaire.

Going back in time a bit...

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I've been very careful and more than a little lucky. I picked up Sardinia (fulfilling a mission) during the 2nd war with Aragon back in 1485 (see above). Some time later I got a claim on Valencia and was able to take it in the 3rd war. In fact Aragon gave Valencia to me in a very generous peace offer, additionally dropping claims wherever it had them and including a large pile of gold.

After that I wanted to take Corsica, all that was left of Genoa. It looked so lonely all by itself there next to Sardinia. However, I narrowly averted disaster by noticing that Genoa was allied with the Ottomans. They would have wrecked my fleets and made the acquisition very painful.

So for now it's peaceful expansion and hopefully becoming very, very wealthy. Oh, and I nearly forgot - I just got a 4/4/4 queen! That should help me continue teching up and getting new ideas.

In EU3, England always tried to friend up Portugal, as a counter to Spain and a launching point for westward expansion. It also guarantees fun times in the peninsula as the Spanish sort out their future.

Looks good Badken!

It has been 40 years or so since my previous post, and I am now at 1565. I have been focusing on colonizing, holding off France at my northern border, and buddying up with England.

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As you can see, I've colonized every territory in the Caribbean trade node except for Portugal's Bahamas and three poor Portuguese provinces on the northern edge of the South American continent. This, combined with an embargo of Portugal and Algiers (who now also owns all of Morocco) means I'm raking in the big bucks. I've also taken a chunk out of the Aztecs and am forwarding a good chunk of their trade forward into the Caribbean. Also visible here are the couple colonies I have in modern day Columbia/Venezuela. They are important for helping to funnel my South American trade up through the "Panama" trade node into the Caribbean.

Here is the situation in South America and Africa:

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I've got a large presence down in modern day Argentina/Uruguay and stole the rich province of Lima from the Incas. These have given me lots of trade value which get routed up out of the Peru trade node into Panama and then to the Caribbean. I've avoided settling any more in Brazil as France has a large presence both there and in the portion of Africa where all of that trade is funneled towards.

The past 10 years have been a series of Coalition wars against me. France (now with 100K men), Algeria (now with 35K), the Aztecs, and the Incas formed a coalition against me. Then Algeria surprised me with a Holy War which drug them all (plus Tunisia) into war against me in the late 1540s. Thankfully, I had been sucking up to Britain for decades, and they switched from disliking me to being an ally. In the war, I evacuated all of my European troops across the Med to invade Algeria and to avoid the massive stacks of superior French troops that were invading the homeland from the north. The British and Spanish navies bottled up the French and Algerian fleets, allowing my 35K men to stomp around Algeria with only the Algerians and Tunisians to worry about. Meanwhile, in the New World I built up warscore by beating on the Aztecs. Britain even landed an expeditionary force in Central America to help out. Even though France occupied a couple northern provinces in Spain, I was able to balance it out and force a simple "concede defeat" peace from their Algerian coalition leaders by taking the Algerian capitol and most of the Aztec lands.

With the war over, but the French/Algerian/New World coalition still in place, I now had five years to build back up for the inevitable second attack. I built up my fleet even further, landed an 12K extra men in South America to deal with the Incas, and made sure that my armies and transports were in place for a rapid African invasion in round 2. As the truce date neared, I shadowed the French fleet with my big ships as the French navy were out in force to invade Mali. The day after the truce ended, I struck to make sure that they could not escape and to make sure that I dealt with the coalition at the most favorable moment for me. (France was now fighting an HRE coalition in Europe and their fleet was exposed returning troops from Mali to the Med)

Once again, Great Britain joined me in the war while all of the coalition members plus Tripoli and Naples (France's ally) joined in on their side. At the beginning, I crippled the French navy and captured a couple Carracks while driving the rest back to port. Then my fleet pivoted and bottled up the Algerian navy in port while my men shuttled into their capital for a siege. Naples got feisty and came out to play with 12k men in southern Italy, but I was able to shuttle my reserve African invasion force there to counter and even trapped and sunk a bunch of their supporting Galleys in the process.

I rolled across the Aztecs and Incas with my two American armies while I continued to slowly siege Algeria and continued to blockade both France and Algeria in the Med. It then became a warscore waiting game. The score was at 60% when France ended their European war with Austria's coalition. I was out of Incan and Aztec provinces to conquer so I figured it was a good time to force peace before large French armies once again descended on Northern Spain. Since I was still coring my previous New World conquests, I decided to punish France instead of taking any territory from the Aztecs or Incas. In the peace deal I was able to make them release Toulouse, Flanders, and Avignon with the hope that it would keep the French too busy reconsolidating to bother me for awhile. Right after the war, I received a message that France had decided to leave the coalition against me. Algeria and the Aztecs soon followed.

Europe after the French release of vassals:
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My next goals are to continue building up the buildings in my Caribbean trade hub, finish coring up my New World conquests, and then to consider whether to conquer more Aztec or more Inca next. For trade reasons, I think I might focus on taking a couple of more powerful Inca provinces as my trade from Argentina passes through there.

Of course I had to go and brag here about how I had a 4/4/4 queen and it was going to be great for teching up. Naturally as soon as an heir appeared the game killed her off. So I had to spend 16 years waiting to attack the Aztecs because a regency can't start a war.

Soon all their delicious gold will be mine, oh yes.

Rebels sound almost as overpowered as they were in EU Rome in that you spent more time fighting them than your neighbors. Patch will nerf them, I'm sure.

garion333 wrote:

Rebels sound almost as overpowered as they were in EU Rome in that you spent more time fighting them than your neighbors. Patch will nerf them, I'm sure.

Rebels are tough but I think this is a good choice, actually. It means you have to think really hard about doing things that will increase rebellion chance and do what you can to reduce it. I know in EU3 I would look at a decision that had, say, -1 stability vs +2% rebellion for five years chance and always always take the increased rebellion chance because rebels were nuisances rather than out and out threats. In EU4, that decision is much much harder to make.

Although I do think they will be nerfed somewhat, I hope they don't nerf them too much, despite how they have been smacking me around in my games. Plus, they have added some new mechanics for dealing with rebellious provinces. Of course they cost ADM points which, in my games, have been scarce.

BTW, I declared that first Ironman game a learning game and am going to start a new one, as England maybe, or Austria. Although in each game I have played so far, England has gotten the crap kicked out of them by France and then rebels, with the Scots dogpiling on, so maybe not England.