Fall 2012 & Spring/Summer 2013 TV Catch-all

Caught up on Justified tonight. Good stuff!

So each of the first three seasons, the marshals have basically gone up against a different gang - which was starting to seem a little silly.

3 episodes in to another 13-episode season, it looks like they're actually going to do one season-long case. Might be a cool change of pace, but my gut says it should be a one-time thing.

Caught The Americans on FX tonight, and so far I'm liking it quite a bit. It's like a far more bleak and gritty Alias. No high tech gadgetry here; just wigs, guns and highly trained KGB agents. Anywho, keeping my eye on this one.

mr_n00b wrote:

Caught The Americans on FX tonight, and so far I'm liking it quite a bit. It's like a far more bleak and gritty Alias. No high tech gadgetry here; just wigs, guns and highly trained KGB agents. Anywho, keeping my eye on this one.

I'd forgotten all about that. FX has a pretty great track record with me in recent years. I'll have to give the premiere a look.

Was there a Goodjer consensus on The Following?

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Was there a Goodjer consensus on The Following?

So far I've seen two reactions, it's terrible garbage, or it's at least ok. Nobody I know loves it.

For what it's worth, I got enough enjoyment out of the premiere to watch the second episode but found the second episode to be pretty bad. I'll probably give it one or two more just to see which way it keeps going but I'm not expecting anything.

mr_n00b wrote:

Caught The Americans on FX tonight, and so far I'm liking it quite a bit. It's like a far more bleak and gritty Alias. No high tech gadgetry here; just wigs, guns and highly trained KGB agents. Anywho, keeping my eye on this one.

Yep, I thought it was pretty great.

I don't know who else is watching Downton Abbey, but if you buy a TV Pass on Amazon for Series 3 you'll get instant access to all of the episodes and won't have to wait for PBS to air them.

I actually thought the second episode of The Following was fun. Taken as more slasher flick that procedural, its okay.

Its not must see, but I imagine we will stick with it for awhile.

mr_n00b wrote:

Caught The Americans on FX tonight, and so far I'm liking it quite a bit. It's like a far more bleak and gritty Alias. No high tech gadgetry here; just wigs, guns and highly trained KGB agents. Anywho, keeping my eye on this one.

Just watched. I'm kind of shocked. Outside of a few comedies I generally find TV not on Showtime, HBO or AMC boring. But this was excellent. Great acting, especially Emmerich, and overall very compelling. Hope it continues like this.

DSGamer wrote:
mr_n00b wrote:

Caught The Americans on FX tonight, and so far I'm liking it quite a bit. It's like a far more bleak and gritty Alias. No high tech gadgetry here; just wigs, guns and highly trained KGB agents. Anywho, keeping my eye on this one.

Just watched. I'm kind of shocked. Outside of a few comedies I generally find TV not on Showtime, HBO or AMC boring. But this was excellent. Great acting, especially Emmerich, and overall very compelling. Hope it continues like this.

It's actually on Hulu. I wonder if they'll put up any more episodes other than the Pilot. I'll give it a try. There's some very weird stuff going on with FX and Hulu.

Yeah The Americans is pretty cool. I loved that final scene of the episode.

The Following is not that bad, I will be watching a few more episodes before I figure out if it's worth my time.

Spoiler:

I am actually pretty interested in the babysitter character. To me she is the scariest character out of that whole bunch, partly because she is so innocent looking.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:
mr_n00b wrote:

Caught The Americans on FX tonight, and so far I'm liking it quite a bit. It's like a far more bleak and gritty Alias. No high tech gadgetry here; just wigs, guns and highly trained KGB agents. Anywho, keeping my eye on this one.

Yep, I thought it was pretty great.

I liked what I saw of it. But when the rape scene happened, my wife was out. It instantly became something like Walking Dead or Breaking Bad that I watch on my own time. I can't blame her for not wanting that to be a part of her TV inventory.

Spoilers, Jayhawker.

I agree with your assessment of PoI. Hurray, for new story arcs!

DSGamer wrote:
mr_n00b wrote:

Caught The Americans on FX tonight, and so far I'm liking it quite a bit. It's like a far more bleak and gritty Alias. No high tech gadgetry here; just wigs, guns and highly trained KGB agents. Anywho, keeping my eye on this one.

Just watched. I'm kind of shocked. Outside of a few comedies I generally find TV not on Showtime, HBO or AMC boring. But this was excellent. Great acting, especially Emmerich, and overall very compelling. Hope it continues like this.

FX has been right up there with the pay networks the last few years, producing some amazing shows. I'd highly recommend checking out their catalog.

Serengeti wrote:
DSGamer wrote:
mr_n00b wrote:

Caught The Americans on FX tonight, and so far I'm liking it quite a bit. It's like a far more bleak and gritty Alias. No high tech gadgetry here; just wigs, guns and highly trained KGB agents. Anywho, keeping my eye on this one.

Just watched. I'm kind of shocked. Outside of a few comedies I generally find TV not on Showtime, HBO or AMC boring. But this was excellent. Great acting, especially Emmerich, and overall very compelling. Hope it continues like this.

FX has been right up there with the pay networks the last few years, producing some amazing shows. I'd highly recommend checking out their catalog.

Yeah, definitely check out Damages! From what it sounds like, you would really like that, DSGamer. You have to start from the beginning, though. It's on Netflix.

Person of Interest was pretty awesome once again tonight.

Spoiler:

That was a pretty close to perfect reset that got them out of a couple of storylines that were good, but had run their course. They needed to get rid of both the FBI and CIA guys going forward, because their continued failures to bring Reese in reeked of blatant incompetence from supposedly dogged adversaries.

And then they set up a new big baddie, another story arc, and a possible return of Reese's partner. And a possible red herring in regards to Finch's past.

They wrap up and move on to new arcs as nimbly as Fringe used to do.

cyrax wrote:

Spoilers, Jayhawker. :(

They've been getting loose lately. I got hit with a spoiler in the Random Non Sequitur thread the other day.

cyrax wrote:

Spoilers, Jayhawker.

I agree with your assessment of PoI. Hurray, for new story arcs!

I don't think it was central enough to the story, and I was not near specific enough to spoil anything. I did consider spoiler tagging it, but I felt like there might be others that would avoid the show for the same reason.

After talking to my wife a bit this afternoon, she provided more context on why that seen was a dealbreaker for her that really made me think.

Spoiler:

As an isolated scene it felt unnecessary. But in he context that they implied that this was a moment that "toughened her up," it is even more offensive. And when taking into account that this event led to her whoring herself out to get info in the opening scene, then almost comically beating the man they abducted while they escaped, it goes one step farther in defining her in a way my wife was really uncomfortable with.

Finally, the present day shows a woman that is tougher and exhibits more conviction than the man she is "married" to, who was also the man who broke her in.

The more we talked about it, the less comfortable I am with how the show was treating the ultimate violation of a woman. It wasn't just the domination in the scene, but the idea that it used as a way to make her stronger. As my wife commented, it is sad when a show like Private Practice, which handles almost every social issue insanely bad, can treat rape more sensitively than this.

I don't want to condem the show, and I will probably still finish the episode and might still keep it in my season pass list. But I have to admit that I'm in a different mindset going forward than I was before watching the show. Are we the only ones that had this reaction?

Suits is so much fun.

Re: the Americans
It seems ok, but I'm so frickin tired of shows with Flashbacks. Please let this not be plagued with that lazy garbage all season long.

Thin_J wrote:

Suits is so much fun.

Re: the Americans
It seems ok, but I'm so frickin tired of shows with Flashbacks. Please let this not be plagued with that lazy garbage all season long.

Agree on both counts. Suits really is a fun show.

I do kind of like how PoI does flashbacks, but they do get carried away sometimes.

The first one in The Americans came up and I got a little of the uh-oh feeling. But I told myself it might just be the one. This is the premiere, they need to setup all the background info so I'll roll with it.

Then there was another one. And then another. And then I'm pretty sure even one more after that. I do not get the feeling they're going to drop off in their frequency as the show continues. If we get three or four episodes in and they're still dipping into that well three or four (or more) times an episode I can't see continuing to watch it.

I don't care what happened twenty years ago, or ten years ago, or whenever. I want to know what's going on now. I'm following the characters now. If you want me to learn something about a character's past then find a less lazy way of getting that info to me as a viewer.

Drives me nuts.

THIS IS ALL LOST'S FAULT. I hate that show more and more as time passes.

Jayhawker, in regards to the scene that led your wife to stop watching:

Spoiler:

What's really double extra stupid about that particular flashback, eve after the implications for the character, is that structurally it just destroys a lot of tension that could otherwise have been there for the majority of the episode. You're correct. It's an entirely unnecessary scene. Imagine, you remove that scene from the show entirely. You just take it out. Now think about how the rest of the episode plays out.

It's SO MUCH BETTER. You know she's angry, and you know she knows him and the guy recognizes her, but you don't know why. And then when you get to the real confrontation there's an actual realization there. There's a payoff. You learn about the content of the flashback the same time her husband does.

Instead they shove it in your face fifteen minutes into the show and you spend the next 40 minutes waiting on the inevitable.

It's just mind blowingly dumb. Ugh. There was no reason whatsoever to actually show it beyond shock value.

Except that flashback was a very important bit of humanizing backstory, which builds sympathy towards that character that's likely to otherwise be absent, and would sap much of the tension and interest in events that follow. There is no mystery in what follows, even without that scene--she does what she does because she's a loyal and ruthless spy, and the show is much poorer for it.

Honestly, I find this notion that flashbacks are exclusively lazy baffling, particularly since so much of what's going on in them directly informs what the characters in the present and our understanding of them. This isn't a show where we grapple with inscrutable, secretive characters, it's one where we have special insight into characters to live and die by their inscrutableness and secrecy.

For me, you get the same thing from the show without that scene and it gives it to you without slapping you in the face with it.

Flashbacks when used in excess, as they are here and in a number of other shows, are a crutch for nothing more than lazy writing. Often times they ruin what could have otherwise been interesting.

Also, bad form on the no spoiler tags for a premiere people have specifically said they plan to watch later in this very thread.

Spoiler:
SpacePPoliceman wrote:

There is no mystery in what follows, even without that scene--she does what she does because she's a loyal and ruthless spy, and the show is much poorer for it.

This in particular makes no sense. Without that scene there's plenty of mystery. You still have the scene of her opening the trunk and asking him if he remembers her. You still see the recognition. You still have the same conversation and bits of dialog when the confrontation happens. You get all the same information and character development. You just get it without yet another unnecessary flashback.

I suspect we're going to have to agree to disagree.

The way it was done in LOST, especially in the first season, was brilliant though. And it was generally focused on how the person got to the island, or how they ended up in the situation they were in, and usually they managed to tie it in with some revelation on-island as well. A focused flashback for a particular character and storyline made a lot of sense there, especially early on.

Yeah there were some lazy ones later... Jack's tattoo for instance. But to write off flashbacks entirely seems harsh.

Granted I haven't watched the Americans yet, so you might be right about its particular case.

I like flashbacks. I have them all the time.

Stele wrote:

But to write off flashbacks entirely seems harsh.

Not saying write them off entirely. Any time they jump back and forth between current events and a flashback five or six times every episode of a show? Out. It's super annoying and it ruins any narrative flow the show may have otherwise had.

Jayhawker mentioned Person of Interest. They do indeed do flashbacks, but they don't do them anywhere close to the regularity that a show like Lost did, or a show like The Americans seems like it will be doing if they continue at their current rate. It's never been enough to bother me.

It's just the massive overuse that's becoming more and more commonplace that's so annoying. When you start using them that often they become a crutch, and they end up getting used a bunch of times when they were entirely unnecessary.

Anyway, I think that'll be the last I say on it. Some dislike the constant flashbacks, some don't, etc. None of us is changing anyone else's minds.

Back to the thread as normal.

If you have access to Netflix.. you should really watch House of Cards. I was looking forward to it anyway, but it's come out way better than I'd even hoped it might. It's amazing TV. I hope it turns into a huge win for Netflix.

Serengeti wrote:
DSGamer wrote:
mr_n00b wrote:

Caught The Americans on FX tonight, and so far I'm liking it quite a bit. It's like a far more bleak and gritty Alias. No high tech gadgetry here; just wigs, guns and highly trained KGB agents. Anywho, keeping my eye on this one.

Just watched. I'm kind of shocked. Outside of a few comedies I generally find TV not on Showtime, HBO or AMC boring. But this was excellent. Great acting, especially Emmerich, and overall very compelling. Hope it continues like this.

FX has been right up there with the pay networks the last few years, producing some amazing shows. I'd highly recommend checking out their catalog.

Agreed, FX has a lot of very well done TV. Justified, Sons of Anarchy, Damages (I need to go back and finish that on Netflix), etc. I just started watching The League, and it's not a bad comedy, either. Rescue Me had it's moments, too, and was probably one of the first shows I watched on FX (it also had it's down seasons).

Yeah. Big fan of FX, at least in general. Although I admit I have not seen even one minute of Sons of Anarchy.

Thin_J wrote:

Although I admit I have not seen even one minute of Sons of Anarchy.

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Good 'ol Schmidt...

Let's not forget such FX gems as It's Always Sunny, Archer, Louie and of course The Shield, with out which the era of good cable television would not be possible IMHO.