2013/14 Soccer Thread

dejanzie wrote:

I cannot not be a huge fan of Vincent Kompany though, and thus by proxy Man City, even though I loathe the spoiled-brat-buys-club-as-playtoy bullcrap.

Ah, but that's only the last page of a very long book. much of which wasn't like that at all. You missed the great unpredictables (the only team to go down in the season after winning the title, for example), the years of disappointment, labouring in the shadow of our arrogant neighbours, the team who had a pithy phrase for the ability to conjure defeat from victory coined specifically about them ("typical City"), the refusal of fans to desert as one disaster followed another (32,000 average home gate in League One, in a stadium that only held 34,000). And I think the 'club-as-playtoy' description is a bit off-beam for an ownership who are investing £250m in development schemes based in the club's East Manchester heartlands, much of which will be open for community use.

Subplots - they're everywhere

I picked up Arsenal because of the time I started watching. 1999/2000.

Like most people you start watching and develop a taste for players first. Liking Owen/Shearer/Gerard loathing guys like Beckham/Scholes/Keane.

Something just clicked when you saw guys like Berkamp/Henry/Pires all linking up. Win or lose you knew thats what you wanted to be watching. Also not watching SAF huffing and puffing like a blowhard on the sidelines.

If I started now I would probably be drawn to something like Swansea if anything maybe even Spurs because of AVB/Bale. Problem is catching enough games to really absorb a smaller club as your team.

If anything just don't pick a team and take it slowly. Especially if your just going to adopt Liverpool just cause. Your pretty much damning yourself to heart ache for the foreseeable future.

I can confidently say Liverpool will not win the league in the next 10 years. They will struggle to qualify for the CL for the next 5 minimum.

Also I rate Spurs>Liverpool long term because as much as I hate it Levy at least knows what Spurs are and how you have to operate at their level.

Financially theres no illusions of grandeur. They have to buy low and sell high and over the last while hes been turning players over quite well to make up the difference in their stadium size.

Just look at the difference in what they are supposedly going to get for Bale vs what Liverpool will get for Suarez. Then compare the 2 clubs at efficiently spending money. So Spurs will get more money and recently have a history of spending it better.

Grubber788 wrote:

Aww... it seems GWJ isn't very into MLS. My friend got me playing FIFA earlier this year and I have been having trouble getting into EPL, but MLS is just so much fun. I hope more Americans get into it.

I'm an Everton supporter (think that Psych and I are the only two in our timezone), but definitely support the Portland Timbers when it comes to MLS. I don't watch as many games, in part because of the gap in quality, but if I lived anywhere in the Portland area I'd be a season ticket-holder, for sure.

Semi-relatedly, never let it be said I'm unwilling to criticize a club I love.

Today's entry in "I'm running late for my Cub Scout meeting" is the just-announced 2013/14 Everton away kit:

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Who would have thought we'd need to use "less horrid than Liverpool's away kit" so soon?

I'm surprised there is so much blue in it, given that a team would only tend to use it when their original kit clashed with the home side..

davet010 wrote:

Just think, in the time you spent doing that, you could actually have done something worthwhile. Like sorting out your Fantasy League team, perhaps.

Or making it a blingee. OPPORTUNITY. MISSED.

Do I have to wait for that to be translated into English ?

Following a team because your friends cheer for them seems as good as reason as any to me.

When I started following the Premier League (or soccer in general aside from tuning in for World Cups). I knew two people who followed English soccer then, one cheers for Charlton and the other follows West Brom. I basically went with "don't cheer for Manchester United" and extended that to Chelsea shortly afterwards and watched the matches without much of a rooting interest. Scott Parker running around like a bulldog with gauze in his mouth (I believe he had been kicked in the mouth in the match but I don't remember) is what got me following Newcastle, plus David Edgar was a younger player trying to break in for the club at the time and that was a bonus.

Pred, how about you make some City-related blingees for Dave?

When I said "watch the game, don't pick a team" I roughly meant what people started talking about afterwards - just wait and watch the games, look for stories and see which way you lean naturally. (Hmm, I didn't expect previous sentence to take it's-okay-to-be-gay left turn all of a sudden either.) Sooner or later you're bound to realise who's the good guys and why it's Arsenal.
Although to be serious, if you missed Henry-Bergkamp et al. years, you won't. However, I started supporting and watching Arsenal every week around winter of 2007 but had a weak spot for them since start of Wenger's era (I was eight then, so I was kindly spared a direct exposure to Graham years), so, yes, those things take time

Psych wrote:
Grubber788 wrote:

On another note, apparently I'm to support Liverpool. My friends all support em and I know better than to pick Chelsea or Man U. I think that means I am enemies with a handful of you. Can't be sure who though. Exciting times.

Me. I am your enemy.

Well, of course, but what does that have to do with soccer?

UCRC wrote:

Don't support anyone, just watch the game.

Cannot. I've never watched any sport that way, much less one with which I am not very familiar. I need to support someone, even half-heartedly, otherwise I feel zero connection with what I'm watching. I certainly respect the idea that the game alone is often exciting to appreciate on its own without an arbitrary stake in it, but I just can't do it.

Also, I live in HK which, as a former British colony, still has a big EPL following here. People ask which team do you support all the time, and I'd rather not answer "no one." Instead I answer Philadelphia Union first (which gets laughs followed by, "No seriously, which real team do you support?"). Then I'll just say I follow Liverpool, but not very closely. Then I go into a tirade about how much fun MLS is and that I will kill them in FIFA. I've made some friends this way.

Edit: I just saw UCRC's most recent response, and I still think I need to pick something first and then maybe in a year re-evaluate my decision.

davet010 wrote:

Do I have to wait for that to be translated into English ?

UCRC wrote:

Pred, how about you make some City-related blingees for Dave?

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I'm still none the wiser.

No worries, we can share a bedazzler once the season starts. You have to get your own rhinestones though.

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If I can get one of these that has my name as "SWAG" and number as "YOLO" on the back, I will buy 10. I am not joking.

In other news, despite all his rage, Suarez is still just a rat in a cage. As is Rooney. An ogre in a Kroger's? A granny lover to be rediscovered? Basically no-one's signed anyone and all the parties involved should be whipped until they get something... ANYTHING done.

Oh, and Gareth Bale's not on Tottenham's twitter page anymore because JESUS CHRIST JUST LET THE SEASON START.

Prederick wrote:
davet010 wrote:

Do I have to wait for that to be translated into English ?

UCRC wrote:

Pred, how about you make some City-related blingees for Dave?

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Thank you. No, really, thank you.

So YOLO is a number now ? In your language, perhaps.

Oh, and the season's already started here. Bundesliga starts on Friday.

As Arseblog put it: "Goodbye Gervinho, we hardly knew ya. But that's kinda ok."

davet010 wrote:

So YOLO is a number now ? In your language, perhaps.

Yes. Specifically, it is the number between YOLZ and YOLT.

davet010 wrote:

So YOLO is a number now ? In your language, perhaps.

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I'd like to see Ligue 1 convert to some kind of money-based scoring system, just to see if the billionaires behind PSG and Monaco would literally spend themselves blind trying to one-up each other.

So, Suárez seems stuck at Liverpool until at least the winter interval.

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I actually feel sorry for Liverpool - it seems pretty clear they'd like to be shot of him, but can't get a replacement in time to make a go of things this season.

Think Arsenal should count themselves lucky - I'd say I'm assuming Wenger has a fallback plan, but he's seemed almost as adrift in the summer player market as Moyes has.

I find it hilarious that Suarez' agent couldn't be bothered to get a proper release clause in his Liverpool contract rather than the "you have to talk to them if they bid above £40 million) nonsense. That's some quality representation he has there.

I also think that Suarez's statements are somewhat laughable. They appear to be largely of the 'Brendan told me...' type. Does he think that Rogers writes the contracts ? Or, indeed, has that kind of power within the club ?

Yeah, right. If Suarez actually had any written clauses in his contract, he'd have produced them at the first instance. Even that odious puffed-up jelly Gordon Taylor had to admit that he can't actually force Liverpool to sell him off.

The only season preview you'll need

http://blog.paddypower.com/2013/08/1...

Fun match to watch for Arsenal fans. Not much to read into the match as City look like they said LOL ARSENAL FRIENDLY and partied all night. Nasri booing will never get old.

Going to see Chelsea vs. Roma tonight at RFK Stadium. My son is pumped

bigred wrote:

Fun match to watch for Arsenal fans. Not much to read into the match as City look like they said LOL ARSENAL FRIENDLY and partied all night. Nasri booing will never get old.

Was actually a pretty good game to watch. I think Nasri is destined for a fair bit of bench warming once the Silva - Jovetic - Navas firm get it together, and unfortunately Gareth Barry maybe more of a squad player this season. Arsenal looked pretty much up to speed, though I'm not quite sure what game the ref was watching when Wilshere left his boot in on Silva.

Didn't see it, I'm feeling too dignified to watch friendlies to quench my addiction. But it's good to be reminded of the fact that the team, as average as it is personel-wise, gelled together pretty well this year.

Only one more week!

davet010 wrote:

The only season preview you'll need

http://blog.paddypower.com/2013/08/1...

I liked "Big Sam; forever circling his finger around the nipple of topical hilarity." the most.

Dempsey played his first match with the Sounders today. He didn't score but I've seen comments that he is clearly used to playing in a faster paced environment. That might be more a function of the team he was facing today. Toronto certainly isn't anything write home about.

In other news, Conor "Big Country" Casey scored twice today while Jack Mac remained goalless. Go Union.

And RBNY lost to Columbus. Ugh.

Meanwhile, we're T-Minus five days (six?) to the EPL kicking off. Anyone interested in a Predict the Score league?