NHL 2013: Blackhawks Stanley Cup Champs ; Kovalchuk bails on NHL and $77 million

imbiginjapan wrote:

Color me one unhappy Bruins fan. They need an extra forward in the worst way and Iginla ends up on arguably the most loaded team in the East.

Good game last night BTW Dysplastic. The B's deficiencies are really starting to show through in a big way though. You can't expect to win consistently if you need to fall behind by 2 goals before you wake up and play. The fact that they can be counted on to come back from those deficits shows they have the ability to win the Cup - but the fact that they let themselves get there before actually getting their heads in the game shows they are just pretenders.

Also an unhappy Habs fan. At this point I think the Habs should just stand pat at the deadline - I'm not convinced a rental will actually help the team beat a team like the Pens, and can just hope for a flukey first round exit.

Great game - Habs deficiencies are also pretty glaring. To steal your own wordage: You can't expect to win consistently if you fall asleep during the second period of each game and expect to make it up in the third. The fact that they can be counted on to come back from those deficits shows they have the ability to win the Cup - but the fact that they let themselves get there before actually getting their heads in the game shows they are just pretenders.

So yeah, lots in common between those two teams

Some quality acting by Subban a couple times too, if he doesn't win the Cup he should at least win an Oscar :p

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Not to say Subban doesn't do it to. For some reason I feel like both teams start diving more when they play each other, like its become some kind of metagame.

FSeven wrote:

So yeah...after setting the table, tucking in the napkins and ringing the dinner bell, the Bruins watch in disbelief as Jarome Iginla is traded to the Penguins.

Has anyone found Certis yet? He may be in a ditch somewhere, weeping uncontrollably.

Apparently according to my Facebook feed the pens already won the cup. While I'm pumped for this playoff run I'm still not ready to be that brash yet.

I was a little too brash with the post button...

Nothing to see here.

Radical Ans wrote:

Apparently according to my Facebook feed the pens already won the cup. While I'm pumped for this playoff run I'm still not ready to be that brash yet.

I agree. I mean, they're certainly the favorites in the eastern conference, but A) Rental players can disrupt existing chemistry and are often a disappointment come playoff time, and B) It's the playoffs and anything can happen.

That being said, I don't think anyone can argue that these weren't great moves by Shero. They acquired great players with little to no disruption to their roster, and a relatively small disruption to their prospect pool.

NTCs REALLY handcuff GMs when it comes to these things, and just enables successful teams that are choice destinations to fleece GMs whose players refuse to be traded anywhere else. It's just success breeding success.

Radical Ans wrote:

Apparently according to my Facebook feed the pens already won the cup. While I'm pumped for this playoff run I'm still not ready to be that brash yet.

Yea its fairly annoying. Like face punch inducing.

Malkin and Letang are bandaids and Crosby is one awkward check from a re-lapse.

Which pretty much explains why they are loading up.

My friend who is a Pens fan is going to be insufferable. The more loaded the Pens get the more I hope they get upset in the first round.

But as everyone is saying, these are all games that have yet to be played. If nothing else, they can run into a hot goaltender and that'll be enough. The league is extremely flat in terms of talent these days.

I mean.. Columbus is winning games, people. Columbus.

nihilo wrote:

My friend who is a Pens fan is going to be insufferable. The more loaded the Pens get the more I hope they get upset in the first round.

But as everyone is saying, these are all games that have yet to be played. If nothing else, they can run into a hot goaltender and that'll be enough. The league is extremely flat in terms of talent these days.

I mean.. Columbus is winning games, people. Columbus.

NHL really needs to get to 3 points for a win. Looking at the standings besides the few uber elite and horrendously bad it makes it look like everyone in the NHL = .500

jowner wrote:
nihilo wrote:

My friend who is a Pens fan is going to be insufferable. The more loaded the Pens get the more I hope they get upset in the first round.

But as everyone is saying, these are all games that have yet to be played. If nothing else, they can run into a hot goaltender and that'll be enough. The league is extremely flat in terms of talent these days.

I mean.. Columbus is winning games, people. Columbus.

NHL really needs to get to 3 points for a win. Looking at the standings besides the few uber elite and horrendously bad it makes it look like everyone in the NHL = .500

With the goal scoring average dropping again, I think if nothing changes we'll keep seeing more overtime/shootout wins which drops the point differentials in the middle of the pack even further. Sometimes it seems like every other game in the league ends 3-2 or 4-3. I'm ambivalent about it because on one hand it keeps everyone hopeful but is also making success something of a crapshoot. The NHL has to find ways to open things up a bit.

jowner wrote:
nihilo wrote:

My friend who is a Pens fan is going to be insufferable. The more loaded the Pens get the more I hope they get upset in the first round.

But as everyone is saying, these are all games that have yet to be played. If nothing else, they can run into a hot goaltender and that'll be enough. The league is extremely flat in terms of talent these days.

I mean.. Columbus is winning games, people. Columbus.

NHL really needs to get to 3 points for a win. Looking at the standings besides the few uber elite and horrendously bad it makes it look like everyone in the NHL = .500

I just did the 3 point game standings...
ROWs are 3 points
SOs = 2 points
SO/OTL = 1 point.

Actually my way counts OT games as 4 point games... But saying that it is a good estimate of what 3 point standings would look like....

Places do change slightly. Highlights...

--Pittsburgh has a better record than Chicago.

--Toronto and Ottawa change places 5th and 6th.

--Carolina is only 1 point back of Rangers for 8th, instead of 3 points back

--LA and Detroit swap places..

--Anaheim is 10 points ahead of Kings both ways...

--Dallas goes from 10th to 8th

This ESPN article has more on the details of how the Iginla trade went down...

According to it, the Bruins were told at noon yesterday that the deal was done pending the approval of Iginla and his agent, which they were led to believe was a formality.

It was only nearly 12 hours later that they were informed that Iginla, who had put the Bruins on his list of teams to which he would accept a trade, had said no to Boston and decided on Pittsburgh instead.

Feaster totally screwed the pooch on this one. It didn't help that Iginla went back on his word, but it would also help if you actually had him waive his NTC before promising him to another team. He basically ended up having to give him away to Pittsburgh for practically nothing (a late first rounder and two unsigned mediocre prospects).

imbiginjapan wrote:
jowner wrote:
nihilo wrote:

My friend who is a Pens fan is going to be insufferable. The more loaded the Pens get the more I hope they get upset in the first round.

But as everyone is saying, these are all games that have yet to be played. If nothing else, they can run into a hot goaltender and that'll be enough. The league is extremely flat in terms of talent these days.

I mean.. Columbus is winning games, people. Columbus.

NHL really needs to get to 3 points for a win. Looking at the standings besides the few uber elite and horrendously bad it makes it look like everyone in the NHL = .500

With the goal scoring average dropping again, I think if nothing changes we'll keep seeing more overtime/shootout wins which drops the point differentials in the middle of the pack even further. Sometimes it seems like every other game in the league ends 3-2 or 4-3. I'm ambivalent about it because on one hand it keeps everyone hopeful but is also making success something of a crapshoot. The NHL has to find ways to open things up a bit.

3 points for a regulation win (or just getting rid of the Bettman point)would be nice. Getting rid of the shootout, which last I've read is mostly randomness, would help.

The other day the Habs scoring-chance/zone-entry blogger made the point that if the referees would enforce the rules as written, especially in either offensive zones, you would open up goal-scoring by 1) having more powerplays and 2) Reducing the interference that's going on in the zones, especially in the scoring chance area in front of the goal. He figures the defensive-zone interference that's apparently going on now (I haven't watched enough games to comment) is allowing poor teams to be more competitive than they should, like the neutral-zone trap in the 90s. It seemed like an interesting theory to me.

Koz wrote:

Feaster totally screwed the pooch on this one. It didn't help that Iginla went back on his word, but it would also help if you actually had him waive his NTC before promising him to another team. He basically ended up having to give him away to Pittsburgh for practically nothing (a late first rounder and two unsigned mediocre prospects).

It's a terrible trade but not because "Iginla went back on his word". Iginla gave a list of teams and chose the situation he preferred. I'd be mad at Feaster for misrepresenting the importance of Iginla's input or Chiarelli for misinterpreting Feaster. Probably should be annoyed at both.

I don't understand why Feaster had to do the deal now and didn't wait a few days. Drum up more interest and maybe increase the number of draft picks or include better prospects. Hell, with a trade this bad you'd figure there'd be s bad contract going with Iginla.

Iginla, Bouwmeester, Morrow, Murray, Leopold, and Handzus all traded. Clowe, Kiprusoff, and Regehr possibly on the move as well. Lots of action before the Trade Deadline. Odds are the actual deadline will be long moments of nothingness while TSN tries to awkwardly fill time.

Edit: Sounds like Torres, Ribeiro, and McBain are available. I doubt Luongo is traded.

Edit 2: Derek Morris, Ian Cole, Kris Russell, Mark Streit, and Jaromir Jagr could all be traded. I can see Cole or Russell (maybe even both) going to many teams as a hockey-type deal. Morris, Streit, and Jagr would be rentals.

I'd love the Oilers to trade for and re-sign Streit.

I think Montreal should stand pat at this point - their success can at least partially be attributed to a lot of good chemistry and buying into Therien's system.
Though I wouldn't mind picking up Jagr to play with Plekanec and Ryder and moving Gionta down the depth chart, or another defenceman to play on the second powerplay unit.

Dysplastic wrote:

I'd love the Oilers to trade for and re-sign Streit.

I think Montreal should stand pat at this point - their success can at least partially be attributed to a lot of good chemistry and buying into Therien's system.
Though I wouldn't mind picking up Jagr to play with Plekanec and Ryder and moving Gionta down the depth chart, or another defenceman to play on the second powerplay unit.

Jagr Boston seems like a done deal.

Ditto on standing pat for the Sens. Just doesn't make sense unless they make a long term move that just happens to work out happening now.

jowner wrote:

Jagr Boston seems like a done deal.

Gee, I heard something suspiciously similar last week. Until he's sitting in the locker room I'm going to classify it as baseless rumour :-p

Seems pretty done to me. Good pickup for Boston.

Dysplastic wrote:

I'd love the Oilers to trade for and re-sign Streit.

I'm hoping the Islanders trade Streit, not re-sign him.

He's been slow and out of position way too much this season. It doesn't bode well for his future, and since he's 35 and probably looking for at least a 2-year deal, I really think it's time for the Islanders to move on.

Plus, it's time to give the C to Tavares.

Kings Eighth (or is it Ninth?) defenseman traded to Montreal for a 5th round pick.

Drewiske is a pretty good player... It's just the Kings are stacked....

I see Thomas Hickey getting minutes in Long Island too.

and Loktionov is holding his own in Jersey.

Dysplastic wrote:

Seems pretty done to me. Good pickup for Boston.

Yeah, I was being facetious but after the Ignila debacle...

On another note it just goes to show how sluggish the Bruins are right now when you're looking at a 41 year old to provide an offensive spark! I do think the problems with the team are more emotional than physical. I think they have the inherent ability needed but lack (and this has been true of other years as well) a consistent mental desire to put their asses on the line. Krejci, Boychuck - both of whom I have previously disparaged - and a couple others have been working hard but you need a whole team with the drive to win in the NHL.

goman wrote:

Kings Eighth (or is it Ninth?) defenseman traded to Montreal for a 5th round pick.

Drewiske is a pretty good player... It's just the Kings are stacked....

I see Thomas Hickey getting minutes in Long Island too.

and Loktionov is holding his own in Jersey.

He's probably #8 on the Habs too (or as low as 11th depending on style preferences). I was hoping for the Habs to go after a guy like Streit or Robidas to bump Bouillon down the depth chart and, if Diaz got healthy, out of the lineup. I guess while I'm in pipe dream land I'd like to see Desharnais' extension dumped on Calgary for Backlund and Gaborik pried out of New York if management doesn't understand how percentages work in the NHL.

imbiginjapan wrote:
Dysplastic wrote:

Seems pretty done to me. Good pickup for Boston.

Yeah, I was being facetious but after the Ignila debacle...

On another note it just goes to show how sluggish the Bruins are right now when you're looking at a 41 year old to provide an offensive spark! I do think the problems with the team are more emotional than physical. I think they have the inherent ability needed but lack (and this has been true of other years as well) a consistent mental desire to put their asses on the line. Krejci, Boychuck - both of whom I have previously disparaged - and a couple others have been working hard but you need a whole team with the drive to win in the NHL.

Jagr should help a lot on the powerplay, which seems to be the big weakness for Boston this year (well, that and drawing penalties). The team's still the dominant possession club they were last year and the Bergeron line is ridiculously underrated because they dominant both-ways rather than putting up pretty counting numbers. I think Boston's still the scariest team in the East, especially with Pittsburgh's goaltending issues and Crosby back on the shelf.

Hearing Sabres are shopping Pominville.

Hearing Clowe is headed to Vancouver or the Rangers. If it's Rangers, I hope Sather doesn't give up much after seeing what Iginla and Jagr went for. Clowe has a bad contract to boot. I just don't understand the interest on behalf of the Rangers. By all accounts, Prust and Clowe are similar players. The Rangers let Prust walk to Montreal for $2.5 mil a year but would trade for Clowe who makes $3.75 a year? Huh?

Also hearing Rangers might move Boyle; apparently there's interest from multiple GM's? Great size for the playoffs, I understand. But seriously?

FSeven wrote:

Hearing Sabres are shopping Pominville.

Hearing Clowe is headed to Vancouver or the Rangers. If it's Rangers, I hope Sather doesn't give up much after seeing what Iginla and Jagr went for. Clowe has a bad contract to boot.

Also hearing Rangers might move Boyle; apparently there's interest from multiple GM's? Great size for the playoffs, I understand. But seriously?

According to Bob McKenzie it's Clowe to the Rangers for a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 2nd if he re-signs.

Impressive work by San Jose recently, dumping three broken players in Murray, Handzus, and now Clowe (who has been killing possession when not carried in a BabyBjörn by Couture) for draft picks. It will be interesting to see if they use some of those picks to add a player to help them in the playoffs.

Looks like a done deal. Clowe to the Rangers for a 2nd & 3rd rounder and a future 2nd rounder should Clowe sign a contract.

Makes sense. Rangers offensive struggles will surely be reversed by a guy with zero goals.

I'm glad someone else went after Clowe. I don't think he has the speed to keep up anymore. Hopefully a change of scenery will get him back to what he was.

It appears the Wild have acquired Jason Pominville from the Sabres for Johan Larsson and Matt Hackett (possibly picks involved too). Can't say I'm happy about this. The Sabres got two really good prospects.

Sens get Conacher and a 4th for Bishop....

Honestly don't know much about Conacher but Bishop was surplus assuming they know Lehner > Bishop in the long run.

So yea originally Sens traded a 2nd for Bishop and turned him into Conacher and a 4th. Not bad business at all.