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[color=blue]EDIT: Note that the league's schedule format has changed slightly. We will now play all our matches at will for any particular "phase", the phase periods being defined by the number of boosters available to the players at the time. So Phase One is just your initial sealed deck of six packs, Phase Two will be once players have added one pack, etc.[/color]

TheWalt is going to be commissioner of this return to MTGO play for GWJers.

What format are we playing?

We are playing what MTGO would refer to as "DGM Sealed". This means we are playing a Sealed Deck tournament using two packs of Dragon's Maze, two packs of Gatecrash, and two packs of Return To Ravnica.

What is Sealed Deck?

Basically, it's a format where everyone opens six of the same types of packs, and builds a 40-card deck using any of those cards plus as many basic lands as they want. Here's an older article from the Wizards site that goes in depth.

At present, MTGO does not support private leagues or tournaments, although they are allowed and even encouraged. So we'll be using our own know-how to make this thing go. We are hammering out all the details right now, but we may use Twitch.tv streaming to verify the contents of everyone's card pool.

Here are ahrezmendi's instructions for streaming your card pool:

ahrezmendi wrote:

Here's the quick 3 steps to getting streaming working on a Windows PC:

1 - Head to Twitch.TV and sign up.
2 - Head to the OBS project page and download OBS.
3 - Follow the instructions here to configure OBS to your Twitch stream.

Then just start the broadcast in OBS and you're golden.

Is there a way to get more value out of opening these six packs?

Yes! You can just stream yourself opening the six packs listed above, OR you can stream yourself entering a Sealed Deck event, which would allow you to play in a whole other tournament for only the cost of two additional event tickets. Credit TheWalt for this idea. This also has the side benefit of saving your card pool for you, so you don't have to re-watch your stream to painstakingly create a deck file that has the contents of your pool.

If you want to do that, the only six-pack, non-Phantom Sealed Deck events going right now appear to be scheduled events, not events that fire at will. Here is the MTGO Calendar.

Please chime in with your comments and suggestions and we'll figure out how to make this the most fun possible! All questions welcome!

Following this with interest as, once I get a new computer in the fall that can actually run MTGO, I will probably take part in this.

Wizard's account creation service is still down, just a heads up. Couldn't find any help articles on why it's down or when it'll be fixed.

I'm a bit of a newbie to magic in general and have never used MTGO before but I would be interested in playing. Roughly what sort of cost would I be looking at to get an account, the six packs needed to get into this competition and enough land cards to fill out my deck?

Cronox wrote:

Roughly what sort of cost would I be looking at to get an account, the six packs needed to get into this competition and enough land cards to fill out my deck?

So bots are the best place to buy your product (lower prices than the Store, no sales tax).

Return to Ravnica packs are running about 4 tix each, (x2=8)
Gatecrash are about 3.50 (x2=7)
and Dragon's Maze are about 2.60 (x2=5.20)

So a total of $20.20 will get you the product you need to enter the tournament.

There are a number of bots out there, and the one I've found to be fast and reliable is Goatbots (http://www.goatbots.com/).
You can use paypal to buy credits from their bots, which knocks 6% off ($0.94/credit), so that would knock the entry fee down to $19.40. It doesn't say on their page, but you do your paypal transactions on their website, and then once you get logged on to MTGO, you just friend one of their bots (I have Goatbots and Goatbots9 on my buddy list), and open a trade window with their bot. The website keeps track of all your transactions, so you can buy things for less than 1 ticket and not have to worry about trying to get rounded to the nearest ticket, they'll save your credits for use later.

For someone new to MTGO, it's $10 to sign up, and you get 1 magic 2013 booster, 4 new player tickets, 2 event tickets, 5 avatars, 1 planeswalker deck pack, and 300 magic cards.

You can sell the Magic 2013 booster for ~2.10, and with the 2 event tickets they give you, you can knock off another 4 tix off the entry fee, so $~25 would be the grand total if you took these additional steps.

If you just bought from the Magic Online Store, you would pay $10 to join MTGO, then $23.94 for booster packs then another $1.91 for tax for a grand total of $~35.

Oh, and Basic Lands are free.

I just downloaded the client last night again.

Im interested... not played in years and it'd be fun to dip my toes in. I've stayed away from MTGO though just because when it comes to MTG i have the potential to get obsessive.

How are the rounds and match scheduling going to work? Are we doing three rounds adding a booster after 1 and 2? Or just one round random match ups?

Do we want to throw in a ticket or pack for a prize pool?

LeapingGnome wrote:

How are the rounds and match scheduling going to work? Are we doing three rounds adding a booster after 1 and 2? Or just one round random match ups?

Do we want to throw in a ticket or pack for a prize pool?

I'm looking at one match a week, probably - or, if we decide to use round robin rather than Swiss pairings, everyone can just play everyone once, and schedule however they like.

I guess I should change the name to "tourney" and remove "league." If it goes well, I'd be thrilled to have us do a league over time, possibly adding packs. For this first time, my thought is to keep it simple and just use the six packs.

I've also suggested making matches the best of 5 rather than best of 3 - if we do end up doing just one match a week, that would make it a bit meatier. It also removes some of the randomness of mana screw and flood. Up to y'all.

I'm in favor of some small prizes, can folks please weigh in on that?

Lastly, I too have had good experiences with Goatbots.

I like prizes. If people are concerned about cost, everyone could donate one ticket (<$1) or if we want something more significant, everyone could donate one pack (<$4). I am fine with either one.

If we go with prizes I am cool with Fed holding the entry fees, if he is ok with that.

I'll look into getting signed up on MTGO whenever their servers are up again. Now that my weekly Magic group has become my weekly boardgame group, I only get a few MTG games in every month or two. This should scratch my itch.

I'm liking the prize idea, and I should be able to pitch in to the pool with whatever is decided. Personally I like the idea of packs.

Okay, if this is headed towards tournament style, then the Twitch card pool verification strategy sounds like a good one. I'm also pro-prizes, with a payout scaled to the number of entries (top 10-20% should win something... i.e. top two get paid out if 10 people sign up, etc..). Tickets would probably be the best thing to use as prize, since they're fungible (people can buy what they want).

I'm good with something like 4 tix, which is approximately the equivalent of a store pack.

F y'alls I's, I plan on cracking my packs at the same time I play in an online sealed pool, so that I'll essentially get double the value of the packs (once for the MTGO tournament, and once for the GWJ tournament). I'd recommend this approach to everyone else as well, for the low cost of 2 event tix for the MTGO tourney.

This was always my favorite format to play in Magic, right next to Draft. Everyone is on even sitting so it's not a pay-to-win or pay to get the best cards for your deck, etc. Count me interested. Haven't been in MTGO for years though. Wonder if my account is still active...

I'm very interested, but with 2 kids and a crushing work schedule (and a 2 week no-computer vacation in july), i'm wondering what the schedule will be. Count me tentatively in, but only if my schedule won't be a conflict.

TheWalt wrote:

Okay, if this is headed towards tournament style, then the Twitch card pool verification strategy sounds like a good one. I'm also pro-prizes, with a payout scaled to the number of entries (top 10-20% should win something... i.e. top two get paid out if 10 people sign up, etc..). Tickets would probably be the best thing to use as prize, since they're fungible (people can buy what they want).

I'm good with something like 4 tix, which is approximately the equivalent of a store pack.

F y'alls I's, I plan on cracking my packs at the same time I play in an online sealed pool, so that I'll essentially get double the value of the packs (once for the MTGO tournament, and once for the GWJ tournament). I'd recommend this approach to everyone else as well, for the low cost of 2 event tix for the MTGO tourney.

I'll probably do this too. Sign up is still broken, I'm e-mailing support now.

EDIT: Turns out it was a browser cache problem. If anybody else runs into "Unknown Error", try clearing your cache.

TheWalt wrote:

Okay, if this is headed towards tournament style, then the Twitch card pool verification strategy sounds like a good one. I'm also pro-prizes, with a payout scaled to the number of entries (top 10-20% should win something... i.e. top two get paid out if 10 people sign up, etc..). Tickets would probably be the best thing to use as prize, since they're fungible (people can buy what they want).

I'm good with something like 4 tix, which is approximately the equivalent of a store pack.

F y'alls I's, I plan on cracking my packs at the same time I play in an online sealed pool, so that I'll essentially get double the value of the packs (once for the MTGO tournament, and once for the GWJ tournament). I'd recommend this approach to everyone else as well, for the low cost of 2 event tix for the MTGO tourney.

I agree with all of this, although I want to make sure that any buy-in cost to support prizes doesn't keep anyone from playing.

For the online sealed pools, are they still like 8 hours long straight through? I never joined them because I can't play that long in one sitting.

LeapingGnome wrote:

For the online sealed pools, are they still like 8 hours long straight through? I never joined them because I can't play that long in one sitting.

There are different kinds. I know there are Some that are only four rounds. I'll try and look tonight.

In any case, that would simply be an option. Anyone could also just open packs for this and no other event. It's double value to do it TheWalt's way.

Here's an example of streaming opening your packs via twitch.

This UI is mind boggling. It's so... 90s. Why can't I resize the interior windows? Why is the menu in the bottom left?!?!? What the heck does it mean to mark an item tradable to 32? I'm glad that Wizards is working on a new client for this, because it desperately needs it.

The new client is in open beta. I used it last night, and all the time.

I'll go download that then. I read about the beta, but wanted to get an account first.

I finally figured out how the heck events work, I think. So 26 tickets to enter DGM Sealed, I'd need 24 more tickets, so that's a total of $34 if you're a new player and going with the option of packs for an event then using them in this event.

Before I got buying/entering anything, we are doing DGM block sealed right?

Fedaykin98 wrote:

The new client is in open beta. I used it last night, and all the time.

So we can use the new version? I grabbed the current client last night, but I'll definitely switch.

Btw is there a way to open that in the mobile Twitch apps? I can't figure it out. The app is so, so stripped down.

I'm interested!

Great idea TheWalt, I'll prolly do that myself. I'm all for getting as much value out of MTGO as I can. I avoid their service if I can because of how old the client is, and how overpriced I believe it is. Although it is quite nice to be able to draft at any time.

We will be doing DGM block sealed, and as TheWalt brilliantly explained, don't pay Wizards' pack prices, buy from bots! I'm sure he or I are happy to walk folks through it sometime. My username is the same.

Obirano - Yes, just install the Beta client and never use the old client. There's no point in anyone learning the old client now. The new client, while not yet perfect, has a lot of modern features we take for granted, like using multiple windows, which makes multiple monitors useful (I have my game on one and my chat window on the second one).

OK, the beta client is WAY better. List of upcoming events, menus in the right place (upper left, always upper left), and way better font. Do we have a list of players' account names so we can all add buddies? Mine is, of course, Ahrezmendi.

Mobile twitch: I don't know, I haven't used it. You can just go to my channel (twitch.tv/ahrezmendi) and it'll be the latest recording.

There's a field on the Google Doc for MTGO usernames.

Of course, duh. I'll go through and add folks.

obirano wrote:

I'm not for sure that I'm going to play in this particular round, but can I add myself somewhere else on the sheet so that I can start getting people on my friends list?

Sure, just make a note in a currently unused column that says you're a spectator.

I'm not for sure that I'm going to play in this particular round, but can I add myself somewhere else on the sheet so that I can start getting people on my friends list?

Just took a look around. Most of that is Greek to me. I haven't really played since I was in high school and even then I was never a "serious" player.

Thanks for putting this together. I jump back into MTGO every few years and experience the joy of relearning the client.

The subtleties of F4, F6, and F8 take me months to figure out.

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