On this thing called "rape culture"

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I really don't remember my high school having a dress code that strict. The examples in the article all seem fine.

sometimesdee wrote:
Demosthenes wrote:

Ewwwwwwwww. WTF? WHYYYYYYYY?

Exactly. It's not the girls who need to cover up, it's the boys and adults who need to get an ounce of self-control and a pound of sense.

Yup. The only time I found anything dress code wise distracting was a girl who quite literally had her ass like 50% out in Spanish class... and it was distracting mostly because I was thinking "Can't she feel that?" which would just as easily been true for a dude with the same wardrobe malfunction going on.

Sometimesdee wrote:

One school's code specified the skirt length...while on your knees. Think about that for a sec. If a (male!) teacher or other authority figure has to order a girl to her knees to check dress code compliance...

I know exactly how that came about, because back in the 50's into the 1980's, it was common for female students to be stopped in the hallway and have their skirt lengths checked with a tape measure or ruler, by a teacher or administrator. Who could be a male. Usually, if the skirts were out of scope, they'd be given a bland long skirt to wear for the day (as opposed to being sent home).

At least if they do it by kneeling, there is no touching involved. (My mother was a career teacher, so this stuff was dinner conversation for us.)

I wore mini-skirts and all sorts of crazy clothing in high school and never got called out for any dress code violations. Outside of coming to school buck naked, there wasn't any such thing to my knowledge. My biology teacher even borrowed one of my outfits once for some performance she was in. I think things have gotten way, way out of hand nowadays when it comes to what people are wearing. If you don't like what someone's wearing, then mind your own business and don't look at it!

Robear wrote:
Sometimesdee wrote:

One school's code specified the skirt length...while on your knees. Think about that for a sec. If a (male!) teacher or other authority figure has to order a girl to her knees to check dress code compliance...

I know exactly how that came about, because back in the 50's into the 1980's, it was common for female students to be stopped in the hallway and have their skirt lengths checked with a tape measure or ruler, by a teacher or administrator. Who could be a male. Usually, if the skirts were out of scope, they'd be given a bland long skirt to wear for the day (as opposed to being sent home).

At least if they do it by kneeling, there is no touching involved. (My mother was a career teacher, so this stuff was dinner conversation for us.)

I still don't understand. Either way, if the teacher is using a ruler, he has a chance of accidentally touching the student. I don't see how the student kneeling prevents anything other than perhaps the teacher looking up the student's skirt.

Kneeling sets a baseline for the where the knee actually is. I consider it the least crazy thing about the process.

I just remember student teaching and how I was going over various policies... given that the school I was student teaching at was in my college's town, and thus had a lot of professors' kids in the school, I knew that there was the high likelihood of some parental complaints about enforcing rules.

Thanks to an elective for my education-focused classwork hour requirement was legal challenges for teachers, decent chunk of which was dress codes and the potential pitfalls for teachers made to enforce them, I immediately had a question seeing all this stuff like inappropriate cleavage, short shorts, etc.. etc...

"If a student/parent asks 'why was I looking?' (obvious answer being, this is a rule I'm expected in enforce, stupid as I consider it to be), will the school district have my back?"
"Nope, that's why I told you to go ahead and skip that chapter. We had a female teacher try to enforce it figuring she'd be ok and a professor went on her Facebook page and pulled pictures of her hanging out with female friends and tried to claim she was a lesbian and threatened to sue. School still wouldn't support her and told the parent that if they had a problem with a teacher's enforcement of the rules, that was the teacher making a judgment call."

Honestly, I'm surprised most places have any dress code on the books, but I'm even more surprised regularly hearing that they're actually enforced anymore. (Not that that stops them from being all kinds of sexist with the "females must avoid distracting the boys, rather than boys just learning some damn self control".)

They are most certainly enforced. IIRC, trichy's daughter got in trouble in her first week of school for a bra strap accidentally showing in gym class. And being made to wear some tacky sweatshirt that basically announced "i'm in trouble for being a distraction."

sometimesdee wrote:

They are most certainly enforced. IIRC, trichy's daughter got in trouble in her first week of school for a bra strap accidentally showing in gym class. And being made to wear some tacky sweatshirt that basically announced "i'm in trouble for being a distraction."

Trichy, try threatening to sue for some adult oogling your daughter. In my experience, it works wonders.

Also... seriously? In gym class? Oh my heavens, all this movement and exercise and a bra strap saw its chance... how unimaginable. >:(

She already graduated. Southern schools start and finish mad early!

16 Students of fort myers Disciplined After Performing Sex Acts in School Bathroom in Florida

Also horrible news but relevant here, don't read the comments unless you want a sampling of some of the more vile examples of rape culture at work.

Even from the piece itself;

he said. “Just the sheer volume of participants, allegedly 25 boys, suggests mental health issues with a 15-year-old girl. It should be investigated as a crime, taking advantage of someone with a mental health issue.”

now that's some twisted victim blaming, granted the trauma of being gang raped likely left her with some mental health issues after the fact.

Sadly this story gets even worse. The girl was a victim of human trafficking.

NBC 2 wrote:

The girl’s mom took her daughter to the organization after having saved her from a human trafficker who held her captive for two years.

“She was only 13 when she was trafficked,” said Estrem.

The girl was placed into multiple treatment programs, the most recent was eight months long.

But because she’s a runaway, only a handful of programs would accept her. None of them addressed the devastating ramifications of sexual abuse.

“She did get some help, but it wasn’t specific for what she needed,” said Estrem.

She was a student at South Fort Myers High only two weeks when the incident happened.

“She was not equipped to make a stable, rational decision in that situation,” said Estrem.

Her mother said the girl went to the boys bathroom to talk to a boy she had a crush on. She said the boy wanted sex, and her daughter complied — then word got out.

I hope everyone seen entering that bathroom had to get tested for STDs and if any of them come back positive the whole group gets treated.

I hope the girl was given a Morning After pill immediately, otherwise, on top of everything else, she's may not be moving anywhere.

I can't believe the administrator said "let's move on". What does this say about the school? It makes me want to look behind the bleachers, open all the doors and inspect the maintenance closets.

That's a horrible story. Can you help me tie this into rape culture and not just horrific racism and bullying? I understand the original article used the word rape, but this looks to be in a whole different level of Hell.

Jolly Bill wrote:

That's a horrible story. Can you help me tie this into rape culture and not just horrific racism and bullying? I understand the original article used the word rape, but this looks to be in a whole different level of Hell.

Probably the part where the defendants ignored or were indifferent to the ringleader's behavior due to his connection to prominent members of the community.

Jolly Bill wrote:

That's a horrible story. Can you help me tie this into rape culture and not just horrific racism and bullying? I understand the original article used the word rape, but this looks to be in a whole different level of Hell.

They're so often intertwined. Rape, racism, and bullying are all about one thing: power.

Also, before the hanger incident, there was this:

The victim, one of the few black students at Dietrich, let alone on his football team, was subjected to frequent abuse by Howard and his fellow teammates, including “aggressive ‘humping’, jumping on him from the back and simulating anal sex,” according to the suit.

(emphasis mine)

A culture that allowed that to go unchecked is indeed a culture conducive to rape.

sometimesdee wrote:
Jolly Bill wrote:

That's a horrible story. Can you help me tie this into rape culture and not just horrific racism and bullying? I understand the original article used the word rape, but this looks to be in a whole different level of Hell.

They're so often intertwined. Rape, racism, and bullying are all about one thing: power.

Also, before the hanger incident, there was this:

The victim, one of the few black students at Dietrich, let alone on his football team, was subjected to frequent abuse by Howard and his fellow teammates, including “aggressive ‘humping’, jumping on him from the back and simulating anal sex,” according to the suit.

(emphasis mine)

A culture that allowed that to go unchecked is indeed a culture conducive to rape.

Pretty much this. It seems to me that this was a series of acts of sexual domination in an attempt to destroy the individual as a person. It is hard to see this as anything other than a culture of rape culminating in what was eventually the violent violation.

I hope the folks who did this get to benefit from a federal institution that can give them the help they so clearly need.

Thanks! Really helped give perspective on the link.

Dear world, can we maybe stop this nonsense?

Campus rapist given lenient sentence to avoid "severe impact on him"

At this rate this crap really comes across as "psht those gals will be fine, but won't someone think of the man?!"

Guess who also went to Stanford for undergrad...

Content note: Graphic description of rape and its aftermath, victim blaming

Here Is The Powerful Letter The Stanford Victim Read Aloud To Her Attacker
(Katie J.M. Baker, BuzzFeed News, 2016-06-03)

Six months county jail and probation...

This f*cking planet.

According to the comments, here is information on the judge:

Department 89: Honorable Aaron Persky
Courtroom Clerk (650) 462-3880
Court Reporter: (650) 462-3885

He is apparently up for re-election on June 7 in Santa Clara

Should be up for appeal by the prosecution or what kind of message does the bench want to send to the public about violent crime?

Bfgp wrote:

Should be up for appeal by the prosecution or what kind of message does the bench want to send to the public about violent crime?

Rich White Athetic lives matter, duh!

The father of Brock Turner wants everyone to know how his rapist son was horribly affected by raping the Stanford student...

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The next time someone questions the existence of rape culture, I'm going to point to this. I mean, we knew the parents must have gone wrong somewhere...

I read part of that victim statement and then read the father's letter. The father might do well to reflect on how he would feel if it were instead his son found assaulted behind a bin and a 100% guilty verdict issued against the perpetrator.

I take small comfort knowing the media coverage ought weigh on other judges' minds when sentencing similar crimes and so this travesty of justice goes unrepeated.

holy sh*t