Playstation 4

Hobbes2099 wrote:

b) I am being serious; why is the announcement turning out to be the Gaikai service a crazy concept?

I didn't mean to sound cynical, my question was literal. I couldn't tell from your text if you were making a joke or not, it's hard to tell with text.

I've been feeling like a real pill lately, probably too much League of Legends (that game does stuff to people, I swear). I'm going to stop that, and construct a more coherent argument. Here are the reasons why I think this is not too soon:

1 - Investors. CES just ended, so the latest and greatest technology is on everybody's mind. Nintendo has just announced a quarterly loss. It's the middle of the quarter, and Sony has not done well for quite a few quarters. Combine these factors and you get a situation in which announcing the PS4, something that will take advantage of everything that was shown at CES, competition to the lagging Wii U, and a new product in one of Sony's only profitable divisions is an incredibly strong business move.

2 - The reasons Blind and Trueheart have already stated. This builds hype for more info out of E3, and gives Sony breathing room to try and push their other products (Vita, PS+) at E3 rather than having the wind taken out of those sails by the PS4. It isn't unreasonable to think this might be a Gaikai announcement, like hobbes suggested, but given how Sony has treated big service announcements in the past (namely PS+) it doesn't compare.

There, that's better.

cube - I think you're right and wrong. This most definitely is a major product announcement, companies don't release hype-building teaser videos like this for investor relations events. It is also an investor event, because the announcement of the next product out of one of Sony's only profitable divisions is a really big deal. Large companies don't make announcements like these during trading hours for good reason. Case in point, Nintendo announced the Wii U at 3:00 AM EST, which just happens to be 3:00 PM JST which ALSO just happens to be the close of the Tokyo Stock Exchange. They also announced the Wii U in April in advance of E3, to let hype build for the units that would be on display at E3.

My bet is that it is a PS4 announcement.

The idea of announcing big things at E3 is getting dated. The problem with E3 now-a-days is that it is easy to get lost in the crowd. You have to compete against other announcements. Everyone just dealt with that back when printed materials was it, but now with the internet, it is wiser to have an announcement on a random day because then your story is THE story of the day. Everyone reads it and is aware (eg. Nintendo's "Nintendo Direct"). Granted I doubt the announcement of PS4 would truly be lost during the E3 coverage as would a random game might be, but if Sony were to announce it earlier, then they get the hype train rolling.

Also, this announcement of an announcement is driving hype.

The odd thing is that Sony CEO Kazuo Hirai said they were going to wait for Microsoft to announce first.

Compelling points, all, but I'm certain they're going to announce a new Syphon Filter.

It's not odd at all. Microsoft claimed the 360 had an average number of technical failures, then a few months later extended the warranty on the console to three years. Miyamoto said there was no plan for a new hardware design of the 3DS, and two months later the 3DS XL was on shelves. Shinji Mikami famously claimed he would commit harakiri if Resident Evil 4 was released anywhere but the Gamecube - it was out on PS2 within the same year.

They all lie, always, or things change and it looks like they lied.

Or even better, they lie because if they say anything less than "No, this is not happening" the "journalists" will jump all over it like they just confirmed the story.

SixteenBlue wrote:

Or even better, they lie because if they say anything less than "No, this is not happening" the "journalists" will jump all over it like they just confirmed the story.

...like tonight?

MY LIFE IS A LIE

While I really really really wish it was a PS4 press conference with actual details, like how anybody can program for it just as easy as PC, let's be realistic, either:
1) a PS4 announcement that tells us nothing substantive (because it's not done yet, spec leaks rushed them, want to wait 'til E3 timeframe), other than that it exists, which is incredibly stupid, at this point, the only thing they would actually need to announce would be not doing a PS4 because they're getting out of the game hardware business, otherwise it's obvious that at some point they will do a PS4.
2) Gaikai,
3) reposting a joke from Twitter: Home is out of Beta! Hurray!

Decision to buy new PS3 being delayed as we speak..

My money is on PS4 announcement and saying they'll have demo units at E3. They might tack some other things on, but that'll be the meat of it.

If Sony is doing it before E3, they're trying to get ahead of something. Simplest answer would be they think the feature list will be roughly equal to what Microsoft will be bringing to the table, so they'd rather make a splash first and make their competitor's announcement seem anti-climactic.

I expect confirmation of what the specs of the machine are and maybe some really light game footage of something hot and new with a "See more at E3!" kind of tease. Just enough to cover all the rumoured stuff that's already out there. They'll keep plenty in the chamber for E3 proper.

As far as the comments that this will prevent people from buying PS3 consoles, I'll only say that the kind of people who plan to buy consoles at launch have long since bought or passed on a PS3. There's a huge secondary market who waits for these things to drop a long way in price before they'll buy it. A PS4 announcement won't prevent that from happening. If anything, the flood of used consoles and inevitable price drops will speed it along.

Tanglebones wrote:

Decision to buy new PS3 being delayed as we speak..

PS4 won't be backwards compatible (or that version will cost an extra $100 because it will need a PS3 inside it as they won't be reusing Cell), go ahead and buy it.

RolandofGilead wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:

Decision to buy new PS3 being delayed as we speak..

PS4 won't be backwards compatible (or that version will cost an extra $100), go ahead and buy it.

If I buy a replacement PS3 (my launch 60GB died a couple of weeks ago), I probably won't buy a PS4 until at least a couple of years into its run. Not necessarily a bad idea, but I'd like to know a bit more about the future before I commit $299/more towards anything. Besides, I've still got my PC and my Vita - I'm not starving for gaming

Certis wrote:

If Sony is doing it before E3, they're trying to get ahead of something. Simplest answer would be they think the feature list will be roughly equal to what Microsoft will be bringing to the table, so they'd rather make a splash first and make their competitor's announcement seem anti-climactic.

I expect confirmation of what the specs of the machine are and maybe some really light game footage of something hot and new with a "See more at E3!" kind of tease. Just enough to cover all the rumoured stuff that's already out there. They'll keep plenty in the chamber for E3 proper.

I mostly agree, but when in the history of consoles have specs been announced when the console is announced? (I would love to be wrong, will someone look that up?) I know it's more fashionable to do that today with tablets and such, but honestly I don't think they'll say anything regarding specs until Microsoft announces.

Anyone think they might actually change the name of the console? Is it time to retire PlayStation as a brand, or at least go with something other than 4? I bet Sony's curious what MS will name the next Xbox. 720 seems unlikely just because it doesn't make much sense (360 already conveys that it does everything), but on the other hand MS can't call it the Xbox 3, either. If it did choose 720 or some other senselessly high number, Sony might be afraid of what MS was afraid of for the Xbox 360, that the PS4 would sound like it was old tech. Maybe a rebrand to signify a change of direction on Sony's approach to the console market?

Now watch Microsoft get an announcement out before the 20th hahaha

Chairman_Mao wrote:

Anyone think they might actually change the name of the console? Is it time to retire PlayStation as a brand,

In a market driven by branding? hahahahaha. Of course you might be right, PlayStation is actually such a strong brand they've tried using it to leverage it into other markets and failed miserably so far, which might make the brand look weak, and thus retirable.

Chairman_Mao wrote:

Anyone think they might actually change the name of the console? Is it time to retire PlayStation as a brand, or at least go with something other than 4? I bet Sony's curious what MS will name the next Xbox. 720 seems unlikely just because it doesn't make much sense (360 already conveys that it does everything), but on the other hand MS can't call it the Xbox 3, either. If it did choose 720 or some other senselessly high number, Sony might be afraid of what MS was afraid of for the Xbox 360, that the PS4 would sound like it was old tech. Maybe a rebrand to signify a change of direction on Sony's approach to the console market?

I guarantee they won't be called PlayStation U or XBox U.

Stele wrote:
Chairman_Mao wrote:

Anyone think they might actually change the name of the console? Is it time to retire PlayStation as a brand, or at least go with something other than 4? I bet Sony's curious what MS will name the next Xbox. 720 seems unlikely just because it doesn't make much sense (360 already conveys that it does everything), but on the other hand MS can't call it the Xbox 3, either. If it did choose 720 or some other senselessly high number, Sony might be afraid of what MS was afraid of for the Xbox 360, that the PS4 would sound like it was old tech. Maybe a rebrand to signify a change of direction on Sony's approach to the console market?

I guarantee they won't be called PlayStation U or XBox U. ;)

Well you're talking about Sony here... I wouldn't be surprised if they just changed it to 口ΔX〇

Need to see what games they'll have. I never did pull the trigger because it didnt have enough games i was interested in that i wasnt already getting for the 360.

Last of Us is coming up. It is a good time hype something new in its wake.

Jamull99 wrote:

Now watch Microsoft get an announcement out before the 20th hahaha

Or lots of little unattributed rumours, like and upgraded dev kit, a few leaked screenshots from some codenamed game from a developer at a major publisher.

I'm going to laugh if it's a press event about Playstation Suite on iOS.

I read that they are changing the controller and leaning towards a controller with features similar to a Vita. My pipedream is they should make it so the Vita is compatible as a controller and sell a SKU that cost $100/$150 more that comes with a Vita. I would buy that. I'm curious about the Vita. There are some games I want to play on it and some PSP games I would like to play on it, but I don't really game on the go, so it's not compelling enough for me buy one. This could greatly expand the Vita market and add functionality to the Vita.

Wowzers. 84 new posts since yesterday.

What did I miss?

IUMogg wrote:

I read that they are changing the controller and leaning towards a controller with features similar to a Vita. My pipedream is they should make it so the Vita is compatible as a controller and sell a SKU that cost $100/$150 more that comes with a Vita. I would buy that. I'm curious about the Vita. There are some games I want to play on it and some PSP games I would like to play on it, but I don't really game on the go, so it's not compelling enough for me buy one. This could greatly expand the Vita market and add functionality to the Vita.

Vita is awful in terms of ergonomics... I would hate that to be the main controller for the PS4.. look Sony.. I will make this simple.. rip off the Xbox 360 controller design

Worked for Nintendo! :p

TheGameguru wrote:

look Sony.. I will make this simple.. rip off the Xbox 360 controller design

Wouldn't be the first time. The original playstation controller was designed to be "familiar" to SNES owners.

ahrezmendi wrote:

I didn't mean to sound cynical, my question was literal. I couldn't tell from your text if you were making a joke or not, it's hard to tell with text.

Thanks, I really hit a nerve. I finally quit LoL/Dota/HoN because I was turning into a jerk both in and out of game. I've finally quit for one week and I'm going insane; withdrawl is no better, trust me. At least I have cigarettes and coffee to fall back on.

I really don't know much about Sony's launch history, but it sounds right; too much noise and timing seems right to prep the market.

Certis wrote:

If anything, the flood of used consoles and inevitable price drops will speed it along.

I keep forgetting about the 2nd hand market and price drops. I guess the 20th is way too early to announce pricing and bundles. PS3 are still around $300, though; how much can they slash the price?

Also, WSJ seems to be "in the know" and confirming the 20th is about PS4.

Does anyone remember the spread between PS3 reveal and launch?