3DS Catch-all

I don't think it's too bold a prediction to say there will not be an entire two months between releases. That said, playing wait and see is totally understandable. Just not for me.

Dominic Knight wrote:

$49.99

Are they high?

cyrax wrote:
Dominic Knight wrote:

$49.99

Are they high?

No, just Japanese.

I had the DS soon after launch but I think I'll pass on this, at least for a while. Since I recently aquired an iPhone, I'm getting my handheld fix and will be able to hold off. Even at $200 I couldn't justify the purchase on something I'm not sure how much I would use. I'm hoping it doesn't sell well at $250 so they are forced to drop the price early in its life cycle.

June 2 doesn't look real to me.

garion333 wrote:

June 2 doesn't look real to me.

I don't think it looks real to anybody. That's a lot of games on one day. My wallet hurts already.

Yay, contrary to earlier reports, games you buy in the eShop cannot be transfered to another 3DS. That wasn't a big deal on the Wii, but it's certainly not customer-friendly in the handheld space given the fact that Nintendo benefits from people buying anoter one whenever they release a new model.

Spunior wrote:

Yay, contrary to earlier reports, games you buy in the eShop cannot be transfered to another 3DS. That wasn't a big deal on the Wii, but it's certainly not customer-friendly in the handheld space given the fact that Nintendo benefits from people buying anoter one whenever they release a new model.

I keep wondering why they haven't made that change yet. It seems like a really foolish way to run things, and most especially since the warehouse I work in performing consumer repairs, can only move over downloaded games, etc. in rare occasions.

Spunior wrote:

Yay, contrary to earlier reports, games you buy in the eShop cannot be transfered to another 3DS. That wasn't a big deal on the Wii, but it's certainly not customer-friendly in the handheld space given the fact that Nintendo benefits from people buying anoter one whenever they release a new model.

More like I won't be buying that new model.

Is it really that hard to have an account with the store and then login using your hardware? What's there argument here? I just don't get it.

Their argument is that much of their audience isn't tech-savvy enough to demand that feature until they actually need it, and presumably there are enough people who will buy the same software over again every time they switch hardware that it balances out the people like you and me who will refuse to buy software that comes with such ridiculous restrictions.

Dominic Knight wrote:

I keep wondering why they haven't made that change yet.

I think it's a mix of two aspects:

1) Nintendo hasn't really caught up with Microsoft and Sony in the online space, and they still have a different perspective on its role in the overall architecture.
2) They want everything to be as easy as possible. While this might contradict the whole friendcode crap they pulled with the Wii and DS, directly tying software to hardware means people don't have to jump through additional hoops that an account management system might come along with. You know, having to sign in, email address etc. I'm not saying that this is a good thing for people like us. I do assume, however, that's the way Nintendo sees it.

hbi2k wrote:

Their argument is that much of their audience isn't tech-savvy enough to demand that feature until they actually need it, and presumably there are enough people who will buy the same software over again every time they switch hardware that it balances out the people like you and me who will refuse to buy software that comes with such ridiculous restrictions.

This is at the heart of it. As much as it's a feature that's deal-breaking for some people around here, it's not something that most people think about. Whether it will continue to be a non-issue remains to be seen, but I've worked in tech support long enough to know that most of the neat synchronization stuff out there is ignored by the majority of users. To them, the hardware is the whole of the device: you buy stuff for that device, and when you get rid of the device the stuff on it goes, too.

And while I know how people are going to respond to this, how big of a deal would it really be to lose the things you've bought in an online store? How often do you swap out your gaming consoles? It's not like people are swapping out their consoles for new models each year. I haven't felt a need to buy a new Wii, and if the Wii I had went belly-up and took the Wiiware games I've bought with it, I don't know that there are any I'd be too heartbroken about. This isn't because they're bad games but because I haven't touched them since I finished them. Likewise, when my 360 died, if it had taken all my Live purchases with it, I'd have only had to re-buy Peggle, and I'm not going to bitch about having to spend $10 twice.

Definitely doing the smart thing and waiting for a hack, modcart, root, w/e.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

And while I know how people are going to respond to this, how big of a deal would it really be to lose the things you've bought in an online store? How often do you swap out your gaming consoles? It's not like people are swapping out their consoles for new models each year. I haven't felt a need to buy a new Wii, and if the Wii I had went belly-up and took the Wiiware games I've bought with it, I don't know that there are any I'd be too heartbroken about. This isn't because they're bad games but because I haven't touched them since I finished them. Likewise, when my 360 died, if it had taken all my Live purchases with it, I'd have only had to re-buy Peggle, and I'm not going to bitch about having to spend $10 twice.

On the Wii? Not a big deal at all, because I only have a handful of downloaded games on there, mostly stuff like Super Mario Bros. 3 that I can play emulated on my computer or DS anyway (and not even feel guilty about it, because I *did* buy it). Of course, the whole reason that I've bought so little on the service is specifically because its tied to the hardware, so stuff like World of Goo and And Yet It Moves I bought on the PC instead so that my ability to access it wouldn't be restricted. So that's a little circular.

On the 360, though? It would be kind of a huge deal if I lost all that stuff. My Rock Band song library alone would be a huge loss, and that's stuff that I *will* definitely use again.

That's just me, though; obviously it doesn't hold true for enough of Nintendo's target audience to make them care.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

And while I know how people are going to respond to this, how big of a deal would it really be to lose the things you've bought in an online store? It's not like people are swapping out their consoles for new models each year. I haven't felt a need to buy a new Wii, and if the Wii I had went belly-up and took the Wiiware games I've bought with it, I don't know that there are any I'd be too heartbroken about. This isn't because they're bad games but because I haven't touched them since I finished them. Likewise, when my 360 died, if it had taken all my Live purchases with it, I'd have only had to re-buy Peggle, and I'm not going to bitch about having to spend $10 twice.

But that's just you. If you had spent hundreds of dollars on Live games or full downloadable games, you would've been unhappy. I know I would if I were to lose all my online purchases/downloads I'd be pretty friggin unhappy about it, but I'm not because I'm not in a place where I'll ever fully lose all my purchase. (In part because I sold my Wii and already lost all those virtual console games I bought when I sold it. That stung.)

But the difference is that with handhelds people do tend to swap out models more regularly. The PSP connects to your online account and if you were brilliant enough to upgrade from a 3000 to a Go, then you would've have been starting over, which is nice. With all the money I've spent on downloadable PSP games, if I were to lose that PSP I would be PISSED that I would have to re-buy Persona 3, Monster Hunter, etc.

The 3DS appears to still be only virtual console (GB, GBA games) and DSiware-type games, so yeah it might not be that big of a deal, but when Nintendo decides to open a proper downloadable store, you better believe it it's tied to the console or handheld I won't be spending money there.

garion333 wrote:

But that's just you. If you had spent hundreds of dollars on Live games or full downloadable games, you would've been unhappy.

I should have phrased that better: of the many games I've purchased on Live, the only one I would feel the need to repurchase is Peggle (because my wife likes it). I've spent a good deal of money on the system, but I haven't touched any of those games since I finished them. There are lots of people out there like me who likewise don't revisit their games time and again.

But the difference is that with handhelds people do tend to swap out models more regularly. The PSP connects to your online account and if you were brilliant enough to upgrade from a 3000 to a Go, then you would've have been starting over, which is nice. With all the money I've spent on downloadable PSP games, if I were to lose that PSP I would be PISSED that I would have to re-buy Persona 3, Monster Hunter, etc.

It might be that the handheld market is simply different from the console market and people swap their hardware out far more often.

cyrax wrote:

Definitely doing the smart thing and waiting for a hack, modcart, root, w/e.

Yup. My DS and PSP are both hacked and a hell of a lot more useful as a result. Losing access to games that I have purchased is ridiculous.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

And while I know how people are going to respond to this, how big of a deal would it really be to lose the things you've bought in an online store? How often do you swap out your gaming consoles? It's not like people are swapping out their consoles for new models each year. I haven't felt a need to buy a new Wii, and if the Wii I had went belly-up and took the Wiiware games I've bought with it, I don't know that there are any I'd be too heartbroken about. This isn't because they're bad games but because I haven't touched them since I finished them. Likewise, when my 360 died, if it had taken all my Live purchases with it, I'd have only had to re-buy Peggle, and I'm not going to bitch about having to spend $10 twice.

I finally have a version of Super Metroid that runs perfectly but if anything happened to my Wii, there goes one of my favorite games of all time. I'd be pretty pissed especially since games like Super Metroid, Super Mario RPG, Star Fox 64, etc. still run like ass on emulators. When I found out that I could lose VC games, I stopped buying them. It's a shame because there are many old school games that I'd love to play again on a proper console. But to lose them all if something happens to the system? Hell no. That is damn stupid.

hbi2k wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

And while I know how people are going to respond to this, how big of a deal would it really be to lose the things you've bought in an online store? How often do you swap out your gaming consoles? It's not like people are swapping out their consoles for new models each year. I haven't felt a need to buy a new Wii, and if the Wii I had went belly-up and took the Wiiware games I've bought with it, I don't know that there are any I'd be too heartbroken about. This isn't because they're bad games but because I haven't touched them since I finished them. Likewise, when my 360 died, if it had taken all my Live purchases with it, I'd have only had to re-buy Peggle, and I'm not going to bitch about having to spend $10 twice.

On the Wii? Not a big deal at all, because I only have a handful of downloaded games on there, mostly stuff like Super Mario Bros. 3 that I can play emulated on my computer or DS anyway (and not even feel guilty about it, because I *did* buy it). Of course, the whole reason that I've bought so little on the service is specifically because its tied to the hardware, so stuff like World of Goo and And Yet It Moves I bought on the PC instead so that my ability to access it wouldn't be restricted. So that's a little circular.

On the 360, though? It would be kind of a huge deal if I lost all that stuff. My Rock Band song library alone would be a huge loss, and that's stuff that I *will* definitely use again.

That's just me, though; obviously it doesn't hold true for enough of Nintendo's target audience to make them care.

I tallied up my game purchases on the 360 the other day. Just on XBox Originals (because I get to a point where I don't want to put discs in) I've spent $300 on downloadable games. I think it's a big deal. I've bought my share of iPhone games. If I had to re-buy them every time I deleted them off the phone or had to switch phones I just wouldn't buy them. This news doesn't bother me because I don't think of Nintendo as being online savvy in the slightest. So I have no plans to buy games from them off their store. If they change this perception someday, then perhaps I'll buy downloadable games from them. If they don't want to really be in that business, then so be it.

Mystic Violet wrote:

I finally have a version of Super Metroid that runs perfectly but if anything happened to my Wii, there goes one of my favorite games of all time. I'd be pretty pissed especially since games like Super Metroid, Super Mario RPG, Star Fox 64, etc. still run like ass on emulators. When I found out that I could lose VC games, I stopped buying them. It's a shame because there are many old school games that I'd love to play again on a proper console. But to lose them all if something happens to the system? Hell no. That is damn stupid.

I'm in this boat too. It seems to me that Nintendo is approaching this as if it's the same as people purchasing games on disc or cartridge, but that mentality doesn't work here. The only time where I would be OK with my games being inexorably tied to the console is if the console had a 0% fail rate, and I know that's not possible. In the case of the 3DS, this just means I won't be buying any of the digital titles.

Man, I'm still waiting n an NZ price announcement, but I don't think this is going to be a day one buy for me. May get it with birthday funds in July, 'cause that's when all the games seem to drop.

Re: Wii download titles and you losing money etc. - AFAIK, if your Wii goes the way of the dodo, Nintendo's customer service is capable of restoring the games you have purchased if you send in the console.

Spunior wrote:

Re: Wii download titles and you losing money etc. - AFAIK, if your Wii goes the way of the dodo, Nintendo's customer service is capable of restoring the games you have purchased if you send in the console.

Just don't take it back to where you purchased it and try and use that warranty. You won't be getting the same Wii back.

Spunior wrote:

Re: Wii download titles and you losing money etc. - AFAIK, if your Wii goes the way of the dodo, Nintendo's customer service is capable of restoring the games you have purchased if you send in the console.

That's LOL funny. Seriously. I can't imagine mailing my console in to get DLC put on it.

DSGamer wrote:

That's LOL funny. Seriously. I can't imagine mailing my console in to get DLC put on it.

So... you prefer having a broken Wii at home?

DSGamer wrote:
Spunior wrote:

Re: Wii download titles and you losing money etc. - AFAIK, if your Wii goes the way of the dodo, Nintendo's customer service is capable of restoring the games you have purchased if you send in the console.

That's LOL funny. Seriously. I can't imagine mailing my console in to get DLC put on it.

It honestly feels like a solution that is designed to dissuade 99% of customers from even bothering just so that Nintendo can claim they "offered" a solution.

DSGamer wrote:
Spunior wrote:

Re: Wii download titles and you losing money etc. - AFAIK, if your Wii goes the way of the dodo, Nintendo's customer service is capable of restoring the games you have purchased if you send in the console.

That's LOL funny. Seriously. I can't imagine mailing my console in to get DLC put on it.

But only if your console malfunctions.

Spunior wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

That's LOL funny. Seriously. I can't imagine mailing my console in to get DLC put on it.

So... you prefer having a broken Wii at home?

I understand the context of why you would use this service. I just had this vision of buying a new Wii and mailing it off to Nintendo to get my DLC. This in a world where I can queue up game purchases for my 360 from a web browser. When I won the 360 back during the donation drive and kicked my brother my old 360 I did just this. I plugged it in, got it setup and left it running the next day when I went to work. From work I clicked through all my DLC on the XBox Live web page and downloaded most of it that way.

Uh... correction on the software transfer thing - looks like Bill Trinen isn't really familiar with the hardware his employer is producing. According to the official website...

System Transfer

System Transfer is a feature that enables you to transfer downloadable software already purchased on a Nintendo 3DS system to another Nintendo 3DS. Nintendo DSiWare games & applications purchased on a Nintendo DSi or a Nintendo DSi XL system also can be transferred to your Nintendo 3DS.* This function will be available after hardware launch.

*There is a limit to how many times transfers can be made. Some software may not be transferred. More Information Coming Soon

That's good to hear.

I hope the digital store at least displays which software has transfer restrictions instead of a generic message upon purchase that "some software cannot be transferred." I would rather not support those publishers that lock my game to my original system. (or at the very least would like to be able to factor that restriction into the analysis of what cost I would be willing to pay)

In a similar vein, I know it would affect my PS3 game buying habits if the back of game boxes indicated whether game saves were unlocked, locked to my psn, or locked to my console. I'm fine buying games that do the first two, but would avoid the latter if I could.