3DS Catch-all

Me and the boy have our deposits on a couple, I'm glad it's not $300! The lineup doesn't interest me that much, I was hoping at least for a Mario Kart launch title. Pilotwings and Nintendogs? Weak. Maybe RE will be fun, here's hoping.

Wait, now I'm interested. These people look like they're having fun.

http://www.joystiq.com/screenshots/nintendo-3ds-lifestyle-pictures#/0

Mystic Violet wrote:

BTW, any word on region locking for this thing? Region free or not?

Unfortunately, it looks like it is region-locked.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...

Well, I got to test this thing last year at the gamescom, just like the GWJ crew that attended E3, so I will say this: The hardware and the 3D effect is pretty nice. It truly is. However, at that time, I could only check out a few games and tech demos.

That said, now that I've read some of the recent previews and seen more footage, I'm not really feeling the software love yet. None of the games really knocked it out of the park for me.

The game that apparently offers the largest chunk of meat in terms of depth and playtime is a remake of an N64 title. Mind you, I love Zelda OoT and still own the original version. I don't see myself shelling out $35+ to play it again though. (Also: They did touch up some of the models and textures, but it certainly is not among the best looking 3DS games.)

PES 2011 seems like a missed opportunity. Instead of sourcing the great Wii version, they went for the standard soccer approach and incorporated a camera system that - as I boldly predict here - will ultimately not work that well. Yay.

Software like Kid Icarus, in my very humble opinion, looked like a rental at best. I'm glad to see that there's going to be a new Pilot Wings, and it was already fun when I checked it out last year, but it's definitely not a system seller. And then there's also that bunch of games that can simply be described as remake, port or new version of something that already exists, e.g. MGS 3, Street Fighter IV et al.

The price is certainly right, and it would be nice to play Link's Awakening again, but there isn't really anything among the launch titles that jump out at me, so I think I'll wait, maybe even until the first hardware revision like I did with the DS.

Pilotwings isn't Wii Sports ... ?

I just pre-ordered a blue one. I thought I was going to hold out longer than that.

Figured the region lock was coming back, what with the DSi locking out the store and all.

Was hoping it would just be downloadable titles and not carts.

Random little features:
- ability to play MP3s
- ability to play AAC files
- 3DS supports up to a 32GB SD card
- rate and see how other consumers rated games based on these demos via the e-Shop
- e-Shop is cash-based, not point based
- use a credit card to make purchases directly off the e-Shop

- download the internet browser some point after launch
- purchase 3DS cash cards at various retailers
- parental lock for 3D output is handled by PIN
- restrict access to games based on their age-rating as well

That's a great set of random features. I'd be curious about battery life, once again, with the MP3 player. It would be cool if I could use it for that, but we'll see. Still, games...

DSGamer wrote:

That's a great set of random features. I'd be curious about battery life, once again, with the MP3 player. It would be cool if I could use it for that, but we'll see. Still, games...

Yeah, I know it's really about the games, but I'm just reporting on things that people aren't mentioning here. I don't even want the system myself. I'm just too much of a Nintendo fan to not pay attention.

DSGamer wrote:

That's a great set of random features. I'd be curious about battery life, once again, with the MP3 player. It would be cool if I could use it for that, but we'll see. Still, games...

They said it would be around 5 hours, possibly longer with the 3D turned off. If you are specifically referring to battery life while in use as an MP3 player, no information has been released.

Went ahead and pre-ordered because I know I'll want one eventually, and they'll likely be hard to find for quite some time (like all Nintendo releases). I play my DS every day (have for years), so this was a no-brainer.

Incidentally, I didn't order any games, and if the launch list doesn't change, I likely won't. Just like the DS, I'm expecting the first round of games to be largely crap, and not worth the purchase. I'll probably re-subscribe to Gamefly once the system is out to try games out before buying.

I pre-ordered from Amazon because they don't require a deposit, and they won't charge me tax. Why would anyone choose to pre-order from Gamestop unless they had a gift card? The same pre-order costs 50.00 more today, then 25.00 more when the console ships in taxes.

You had to go and mention a zero-down pre-order with Amazon. Here I was steadfastly refusing to buckle. Now I'm tempted to put my hat in the ring so I'm not waiting for June when it finally becomes available and Nintendogs + Cats turns out to be incredible. Never mind a new Animal Crossing.

A pass for me. I only recently got a DSi XL as well as an Xbox and 250 dollars buys me a whole lot of discounted titles.

I just took my reserve back that I had at GS, there isn't a single launch game I want to get. Of course, I still have two months to decide if I want to pre-order again (probably Amazon) if something good appears.

Chirs Kohler is less than impressed with the 3DS and I've got to say he makes some interesting points. My daughter uses her DS sparingly but will pick up my iPhone the second I put it down.

Al wrote:

Chirs Kohler is less than impressed with the 3DS and I've got to say he makes some interesting points. My daughter uses her DS sparingly but will pick up my iPhone the second I put it down.

His hyperbolic comments about the "utter failure" of the "broken" PSP are a bit silly.

SommerMatt wrote:
Al wrote:

Chirs Kohler is less than impressed with the 3DS and I've got to say he makes some interesting points. My daughter uses her DS sparingly but will pick up my iPhone the second I put it down.

His hyperbolic comments about the "utter failure" of the "broken" PSP are a bit silly.

Perhaps. I don't think he's off base, though. As much as I love the games I play on my DS, the system is constantly fighting for mindshare with my iPhone. If I have both on a plane they're going to see about equal time. In part because the iPhone offers those bite-sized, quirky yet accessible games that the DS once promised and never really delivered on. The DS turned out to be a more powerful GBA. That's fine. I love my new version of Advance Wars, my better JRPGs and my better Castlevanias. But there haven't been many things on the DS that I have enjoyed any more than the GBA.

The more salient point, though, is that of Nintendo's online infrastructure. Sony is often criticized for having an inferior online infrastructure and experience to Microsoft. From the lack of parties or in game chat (eventually fixed to some extent) to the hard to navigate PSN to the painfully slow trophy synchronization that makes it near impossible to compare yourself as a gamer to a friend.

Unfortunately for Nintendo, though, PSN makes Nintendo's online look like AOL or Prodigy. It's just so clunky and non-intuitive and slow. It's awful. Friend codes don't help. Keeping friend codes around really doesn't help. Eventually Sony got their act together enough that Japanese PSP owners play Monster Hunter constantly at hot spots and at their homes. Monster Hunter on the Wii, on the other hand, requires Skype or XBLA to realistically communicate with co-op partners.

So Nintendo is going up against Apple who has pretty much nailed down online at least when it comes to finding and purchasing games. Online play is getting better. The 3DS definitely looks last gen in this respect.

Aren't most of those complaints about Nintendo's online stuff remedied by their 3DS approach, though? Having one friend code across all games is essentially the same as having a Gamertag, except it's only half numbers (xXBlizzXx1549, hi, let's get up for some Halo).

Either way, they are not competing for my dollars with Apple. If there's anything I've learned from the 50+ games I've bought on my iPhone, it's that you get what you pay for. There has not been a single game I felt was as engaging as my top 20 or so DS games, or top 10 PSP games. I share Giant Bomb's stance on iOS games, to an extent. Any time you're emulating a controller, it isn't going to feel great. Any time you're having a much simpler interface, the games are not going to be as complex. That's without even getting started on tilt controlled stuff. The games that top the App Store charts rarely do anything for me, stuff like Angry Birds, Fruit Ninja or Cut the Rope.

I don't really know a better way to express it. If you gave me the option of taking away my DS or taking all the games off my iPhone, the choice is very, very easy.

And trust me when I say MHTri is best played with a USB keyboard or nothing at all. If you're far enough to need to fight with others you will know what you're doing well enough to not need to communicate with others beyond rudimentary stuff like "4" and "gj".

Blind_Evil wrote:

Aren't most of those complaints about Nintendo's online stuff remedied by their 3DS approach, though? Having one friend code across all games is essentially the same as having a Gamertag, except it's only half numbers (xXBlizzXx1549, hi, let's get up for some Halo).

Yes, but the article was focusing more on the lack of a proper store to buy downloadable games from, like the App Store.

garion333 wrote:
Blind_Evil wrote:

Aren't most of those complaints about Nintendo's online stuff remedied by their 3DS approach, though? Having one friend code across all games is essentially the same as having a Gamertag, except it's only half numbers (xXBlizzXx1549, hi, let's get up for some Halo).

Yes, but the article was focusing more on the lack of a proper store to buy downloadable games from, like the App Store.

Exactly -- Nintendo can sell all the compelling 100-hour $35 games it wants, but if doesn't have a similarly strong selection of $5 five-minute pick-up-and-play games, it's ignoring a huge potential slice of the market. I had no idea until I read that article that the 3DS isn't going to have a digital download store at launch, and I can't help but think it's a huge mistake on Nintendo's part.

pneuman wrote:
garion333 wrote:
Blind_Evil wrote:

Aren't most of those complaints about Nintendo's online stuff remedied by their 3DS approach, though? Having one friend code across all games is essentially the same as having a Gamertag, except it's only half numbers (xXBlizzXx1549, hi, let's get up for some Halo).

Yes, but the article was focusing more on the lack of a proper store to buy downloadable games from, like the App Store.

Exactly -- Nintendo can sell all the compelling 100-hour $35 games it wants, but if doesn't have a similarly strong selection of $5 five-minute pick-up-and-play games, it's ignoring a huge potential slice of the market. I had no idea until I read that article that the 3DS isn't going to have a digital download store at launch, and I can't help but think it's a huge mistake on Nintendo's part.

On the other hand, the digital store hasn't exactly worked for the PSP, so why would Nintendo even bother trying for that market?

So, his argument is essentially that the 3DS will suffer for not launching with an online store and will instead add one at a later date. However, he concludes his article by saying that the 3DS will sell like hotcakes and be the hottest Christmas present of the year but that his main concern is about what happens then. Well, at that point the online store will most likely be in place, which sort of undermines the bulk of the article.

Still no official launch line-up, right? I've been scouring the Net for info, and so far nothing beyond the "30 games through the launch window" has surfaced. I also bet that 25 of those will be shovelware.

Vrikk wrote:

Still no official launch line-up, right? I've been scouring the Net for info, and so far nothing beyond the "30 games through the launch window" has surfaced. I also bet that 25 of those will be shovelware.

Aaron D. wrote:

Here's the US launch lineup, according to Destructiod.

Pilotwings Resort
Nintendogs + Cats

Steeldiver
Dead or Alive
Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 3D
Madden NFL
Super Street Fighter IV 3D

Asphalt 3D
Combat of Giants: Dinosaurs 3D
Ridge Racer 3D
Resident Evil: The Mercenaries
LEGO Star Wars III: The Clone Wars

http://www.destructoid.com/3ds-north...

Resident Evil is the only one that sticks out for me, though I have no idea what Steel Diver is all about.

Not sure if it's official, but this was posted earlier. Either way, I see nine games there (bolded) that I'd have a hard time classifying as "shovelware." Unless you just meant stuff you personally aren't interested in.

mrtomaytohead wrote:
El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:

Now that the 3DS is just around the corner, I figure'd I'd resurrect this thread. Okay, with the US-NZ exchange rate it SHOULD be about $320NZ for me, but because my country seems determined to add a 30-50% premium for all gaming products I'm sure it will end up at $400+.

You rogue! You rusurrected a 40min old thread!

Haha, weird, this was still on like page 12 for me when I went to it.

-Man, I'm not sure about launch lineup. I own SSFIV on PS3, play it exclusively with friends, and nothing else is of interest to me.

Also, I'm kinda holding out for that orange model. And hopefully a redesign where both interior halves (top and bottom) are black. It looks inconsistent atm.

El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:

Also, I'm kinda holding out for that orange model. And hopefully a redesign where both interior halves (top and bottom) are black. It looks inconsistent atm.

You could always get the black one. That one's black.

A friend just posted this on Facebook. Games and their street dates.

March 15

Dead or Alive Dimensions $49.99
Samurai Warriors Chronicles $49.99

March 22

Lego Star Wars III: The Clone Wars $39.99

March 27

Madden NFL Football $39.99
Sims 3 $39.99
Nintendogs & Cats $39.99
Steel Diver $39.99
Pilotwings Resort $39.99
Super Street Fighter IV $39.99

April 2

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Shadow $39.99
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell $39.99
Asphalt $39.99
Combat of Giants: Dinosaurs $39.99
Rabbids Travel in Time $39.99

June 1

Cartoon Network SuperToon Rumble $39.99

June 2

Animal Crossing 3D $39.99
Mario Kart 3D $39.99
Paper Mario 3D $39.99
Dream Trigger $39.99
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D $39.99
Kid Icarus: Uprising $39.99
Star Fox 64 3D $39.99
Super Monkey Ball $39.99

July 6

Resident Evil: Mercenaries $39.99

Sept. 2

Face Kart: Photo Finish $39.99
Pet Zombies in 3D $39.99

Looks like there's no reason to get a 3DS until June.