Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen Catch-All

I fell off the first game around 9 hours in, but had fun while I played it. I think the QoL issues being fixed may be enough to get me to stick with this one.

I think it's gonna depend on what "quality of life" improvements you're looking for. For example, there will be fast travel now by way of oxcarts, but there still won't be lock-on targeting for melee combat. Some of that is just unique DDog flavoring that's core to the series' identity.

Blind_Evil wrote:

I’m wondering if the quality of life improvements might sanitize the weirdness that made the first game amazing.

Not basing this off anything, I just always get leery when a game series becomes less focused and more focus tested.

I'm hoping we see a jump like we did from Monster Hunter to Monster Hunter World. I feel like Capcom hopes this could be another breakout hit.

I am 40 hours in. Working on some quests and stuff before I take the Duke's Duty
Having so much fun with this game atm

Regardless of how good DD2 ends up being, the original game is wholly worth playing IMO. I don't think it will be for everyone, but I do think that it has aged surprisingly well for a game of its era and still feels great to play.

(Also worth noting for consideration on playing ahead of the sequel, you can move through the content in the main game fairly quickly by today's mammoth RPG run time standards. It is a 40-50 hour game and you have a month before the sequel. That said, it is a big enough game that if you go full completionist AND do the expansion stuff it is north of 80 hours.)

Thanks for the info. I agree that this game in a way aged well.
My character and main pawn just got to level 40 and I am on "Royal" quests now.

93_confirmed wrote:

This might be a strange question but would you guys recommend playing DD1 with DD2 so close to release or just jump into DD2? I'm not asking in a story sense but whether it's worth the time investment and $30 when I could keep myself busy with other games until DD2 drops.

I'm with TheHarpoMarxist on this. Despite its quirks and (frankly) faults, Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen is very much worth playing. And - as Blind_Evil points out - the sequel might be smoother, but it might also be flatter.

My suggestion would be to play both. Pick up DD1 now (you mentioned a $30 price tag, which suggests that you're looking at new rather than used), then buy DD2 in 6 months time... also for somewhere around $30. That's my plan. I'll use the time in between to whittle down my Pile.

Yeah, as a PS3 game originally, it’s rather impressive. Then, playing it on Series S with basically no load times was great. The escort quests suck but you can cheat them using the portal stones.

Mr GT Chris wrote:

Yeah, as a PS3 game originally, it’s rather impressive. Then, playing it on Series S with basically no load times was great. The escort quests suck but you can cheat them using the portal stones.

Yes I recently tried that. But only after permanently failing one.

ohhh and btw

Spoiler:

I met the slutty Duchess and well she invited me to cher chambes, I had to save her from being strangled lol wow!

I am now in a dungeon and that is when i went to bed. Will continue today

Darkhaund wrote:

ohhh and btw

Spoiler:

I met the slutty Duchess and well she invited me to cher chambes, I had to save her from being strangled lol wow!

I am now in a dungeon and that is when i went to bed. Will continue today

Did you know that

Spoiler:

you can actually let the duke strangle her if you don't move? It changes the plot, but it's an example of many choices you can make that are not shown or explained. This game does not hold your hand.

detroit20 wrote:

My suggestion would be to play both. Pick up DD1 now (you mentioned a $30 price tag, which suggests that you're looking at new rather than used), then buy DD2 in 6 months time... also for somewhere around $30. That's my plan. I'll use the time in between to whittle down my Pile.

Good suggestion! I think this is what I'm doing to do.

Grenn wrote:
Darkhaund wrote:

ohhh and btw

Spoiler:

I met the slutty Duchess and well she invited me to cher chambes, I had to save her from being strangled lol wow!

I am now in a dungeon and that is when i went to bed. Will continue today

Did you know that

Spoiler:

you can actually let the duke strangle her if you don't move? It changes the plot, but it's an example of many choices you can make that are not shown or explained. This game does not hold your hand.

Ohhhhh really?
I did not know what to do... so I saved her!
I wonder what happens

Regarding that, another "choice" that happens earlier is that

Spoiler:

you only get one shot to meet the Duke's wife in the first place. If you leave through the castle walls after it shows that short cutscene of her in the garden, you've missed your chance and that whole storyline disappears.

There is so much missable stuff in the game. I played with a guide to get as much as I could.

And don't forget to check back in Cassardis. There might be a few quests that disappear if you don't get them before advancing the storyline. Again, they don't tell you anything, so you gotta be on your toes.

Thanks for the info guys. I am not sure IF I want to follow a guide for everything since it would affect in a way my experience of surprise and discovery. But then again, my cost of opportunity to miss amazing stuff !! what to do what to do.

The game is punishing i na way that it does nOT tell you what to do.
I had to take a leap of faith and take the Duke request at the cost of "abandoning" everything else, but at that point, i FELT i had run to a dead end and talking to him seemed the only way the story would move forward

Nah it’s totally fine, if you get stuck then use a guide but, otherwise, just enjoy whatever the game throws at you! More insane stuff to come!

Darkhaund wrote:

Thanks for the info guys. I am not sure IF I want to follow a guide for everything since it would affect in a way my experience of surprise and discovery. But then again, my cost of opportunity to miss amazing stuff !! what to do what to do...

^^^THIS!!!... as they say.

This is one of my issues with the classic fantasy RPG. The games are simply too big nowadays for me to dedicate time to the multiple playthroughs required to explore all of their highways & byways, nooks & crannies. A 50+ hour game is going to get one playthrough from me. So I too struggle with my desire to discover the game for myself and my wish to see as much as I can.

And the fact that Dragon's Dogma allows a single save exacerbates this dilemma. I can't simply roll back to another save to try a different branch of the story.

I'd love to know what the player stats say, what the devs know from the data that they collect. I suspect that there's a very small minority of players who do multiple playthroughs. But I also suspect that this group represents the majority of those players that actually finish these big games.

EDIT - Fewer than half of Baldur's Gate 3 players have made it through Act 1, apparently.

The result is that there is always just enough dedicated players to justify the effort required to create these detailed, deep, branching storylines.

I agree. In my case, Wife + 3 kids + 2 dogs + work and other activities and now my kids sharing the ps5 etc my time is not even close to what is once once. So Multiple playthroughs are almost guaratneed not happening.

I do appreciate the sense of awe and discovery, and with a good storu. THAT is the main reason I play games (Mostly RPGs) so I try to limit the use of guides, but on the other hand, missing importnat stuff is a bummer.

Back in the day... had I not USED a guide, I would have NEVER found out in FF7 how to:

1, Get knights of the round materia
2. Figure out that I had to do all that insane chocobo breeding and finally feed them a zeio NUT in order to produce the Golden chocobo. I mean wth!!!

I have come to terms to enjoy games as the game entertains me.
Once I finish DD1 is onto FF16

But back on topic on Dragon's Dogma
VERY glad I got to play this but WHAT THE HECK LOL....

Spoiler:

I got out of jail after being with the slutty Ducchess and now the Duke is all cool calm and collective... i wouldnt be so loose if i were him with the dude that was about to bang my wife

DD1 is currently on sale on Steam (at least here in the UK), for the slightly odd price of £3.83. Maybe about $5, if it's on sale in the US.

It's definitely worth that, even to see whether there is anything in it that you greatly object to before DD2 comes out.

$4.79 in the US

Just last night I accomplished my goal of having my pawn fully trained in all classes.

How can you NOT get this great tame for less than $5

I am 48 hours in and level 40.
Doing some quests atm and having alot of fun.

Edit

WOW

Spoiler:

Just defeated the griffin in bluemoon tower and fought a golem on the way

Game is DEFINITELY FUN! So so so glad I have it a go

Darkhaund wrote:

How can you NOT get this great tame for less than $5

I am 48 hours in and level 40.
Doing some quests atm and having alot of fun.

Edit

WOW

Spoiler:

Just defeated the griffin in bluemoon tower and fought a golem on the way

Game is DEFINITELY FUN! So so so glad I have it a go

Thinking about that spoilered quest you mentioned reminds me of one of my favorite anecdotes from playing thru DDog w/ the JRPG club last year, now quoted below in a spoiler tag for your enjoyment:

Spoiler:

I don't know how many of the early Gran Soren quests you did, but one of them involved seeking out Salomet's Grimoire for a mage named Steffen. If you complete this quest by the book, Steffen shows up at Bluemoon Tower and uses said Grimoire to help bring the griffin down.

So I did the Salomet's Grimoire quest for Steffen, but before finishing it, I had a forgery of the Grimoire made at The Black Cat and passed off the forgery, worrying that the mage was gonna do something craven & power-hungry if he got the real deal.

Imagine my surprise/horror when he showed up at the Griffon showdown atop Bluemoon Tower to help, only to find the magic won't cast from his Grimoire & gosh darn it, he just can't figure out why - surely the Arisen brought back the true Grimoire, right?

Ended up using the Grimoire myself against the Griffon anyways, too. I could've saved the forgery money if I had known it was gonna play out like this, but alas!

Also, Darkhaund, your hype as of late has ended up pulling me back into my New Game Plus. This game owns all sorts of bones.

TheMostRad wrote:
Darkhaund wrote:

How can you NOT get this great tame for less than $5

I am 48 hours in and level 40.
Doing some quests atm and having alot of fun.

Edit

WOW

Spoiler:

Just defeated the griffin in bluemoon tower and fought a golem on the way

Game is DEFINITELY FUN! So so so glad I have it a go

Thinking about that spoilered quest you mentioned reminds me of one of my favorite anecdotes from playing thru DDog w/ the JRPG club last year, now quoted below in a spoiler tag for your enjoyment:

Spoiler:

I don't know how many of the early Gran Soren quests you did, but one of them involved seeking out Salomet's Grimoire for a mage named Steffen. If you complete this quest by the book, Steffen shows up at Bluemoon Tower and uses said Grimoire to help bring the griffin down.

So I did the Salomet's Grimoire quest for Steffen, but before finishing it, I had a forgery of the Grimoire made at The Black Cat and passed off the forgery, worrying that the mage was gonna do something craven & power-hungry if he got the real deal.

Imagine my surprise/horror when he showed up at the Griffon showdown atop Bluemoon Tower to help, only to find the magic won't cast from his Grimoire & gosh darn it, he just can't figure out why - surely the Arisen brought back the true Grimoire, right?

Ended up using the Grimoire myself against the Griffon anyways, too. I could've saved the forgery money if I had known it was gonna play out like this, but alas!

Also, Darkhaund, your hype as of late has ended up pulling me back into my New Game Plus. This game owns all sorts of bones.

Glad you got back to it
It is indeed amazing and it does own all sorts of bones
I am in awe at all the little details and how alive this game feels!!

Bluemoon tower griffin mission is legit one of the greatest parts of any RPG ever made. Just condensed flawless RPG goodness.

TheHarpoMarxist wrote:

Bluemoon tower griffin mission is legit one of the greatest parts of any RPG ever made. Just condensed flawless RPG goodness.

Indeed it was amazing and then some. Also, the way I got "unexpected" help on that was amazing. I was told it was something that only happens if you did some prior quests. It was amazing.

I am currently 50 hours in and doing more quests and hopefully, keep advancing on this world that feels so alive.

I also like the fact that the Pawns have a "personality" and correct me if I am wrong but sometimes they know stuff from quests etc, as they mention things and even try to go to certain locations. I cannot insist enough how much this game has surprised me in a good way.

Darkhaund wrote:

I also like the fact that the Pawns have a "personality" and correct me if I am wrong but sometimes they know stuff from quests etc, as they mention things and even try to go to certain locations. I cannot insist enough how much this game has surprised me in a good way.

That's exactly correct. If someone takes your pawn out adventuring, it can learn things about quests they complete and then share that knowledge with you. Other people's pawns can also learn things and share that with you as well. It's a really neat system that I don't think I've ever seen done before.

Ahhh so it was not my imagination. Last night I swear a Pawn was trying to show me the way to this specific quest and I was surprised.

What has me the most surprised is the fact that this game "grabbed me like a storm" and i am absolutely hooked, and it is an "old" game.

I have limited time nowadays 3 kids, 2 dogs, a wife, and a business that I am rebuilding after the pandemic literally bankrupted me. As I get older my selection of games has narrowed tremendously. So this has been a pleasant surprise I INSIST.

Seems like it's on sale everywhere but Xbox. I don't get why it's still $30.

It’s on sale for $5 pretty regularly so if you can be patient…

93_confirmed wrote:

Seems like it's on sale everywhere but Xbox. I don't get why it's still $30.

Be on the lookout. DD1 is very much worth it.

I will use all my willpower and common sense NOT to buy Dragon's Dogma 2 when it comes out.
Need to work on my backlog