Fringe Catch-All - You Are My Favorite Thing, Fringe. My Very Favorite Thing.

mudbunny wrote:
Dammit. I just realized that I have missed at least one episode. The last episode I saw was where Peter found out that he was from the other universe. Can someone give me a decent recap of remaining episodes??

Um... yeah. You missed a couple of major reveals there...

Nortwest Passage

Over There (Part 1)

Over There (Part 2)

Stele wrote:
mudbunny wrote:
Dammit. I just realized that I have missed at least one episode. The last episode I saw was where Peter found out that he was from the other universe. Can someone give me a decent recap of remaining episodes??

Whoa. You need to check hulu or fox.com or a torrent site or buy some dvds and watch those episodes.

They went to the other side! :shock:

Hulu has the next episode you need to watch up for the rest of today, but then it will be gone. They only keep three episodes, and you missed the last three.

And holy mother of all bejesus, how could you have missed those episodes? You can find recaps all over the web, but do yourself a favor and watch them. It's worthy of gong home sick if you need the time.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/144902/fri...
http://www.hulu.com/watch/146585/fri...
http://www.hulu.com/watch/148549/fri...

Get to work, man!

A new page!

Looks at location.

Hulu does not like Canadians.

I read the recaps so helpfully provided by taastaafl, and will be watching the episodes this weekend, as I predict that my daughters and wife will not allow me to actually watch Fringe live tonight.

mudbunny wrote:
Looks at location.

Parp?

ClockworkHouse wrote:
mudbunny wrote:
Looks at location.

Parp?

A suburb of Canada.

mudbunny wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:
mudbunny wrote:
Looks at location.

Parp?

A suburb of Canada.

What does suburb mean in Canadianese?

Sorry Hulu doesn't like you. Maybe the Fox site has them up, too.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
mudbunny wrote:
Looks at location.

Parp?

PARP!

He can roun arcoss the parp.

Gah! Just realized watching recaps that the guy playing Newton was Kurt Mendel on Odyssey 5. That's where I remember him from.

Not bad.

I guess I was surprised that...

Spoiler:
they spent the whole episode on the other side
but I definitely enjoyed what I saw. Walternate is a bastard.

Stele wrote:
Not bad.

I guess I was surprised that...

Spoiler:
they spent the whole episode on the other side
but I definitely enjoyed what I saw. Walternate is a bastard. :D
Spoiler:
They revealed that they will be alternating episodes between universes for at least part of this season.

I was hoping netflix would provide my fringe fix with its release in Canada... nope. Onward to eztv, the only means of digital access to fringe in Canada, all be it slightly vague as to legality of it.

Blotto The Clown wrote:
I was hoping netflix would provide my fringe fix with its release in Canada... nope. Onward to eztv, the only means of digital access to fringe in Canada, all be it slightly vague as to legality of it.

Totally legal in the other universe. I think you are good.

I hope the Olivia/Fauxlivia thing gets resolved soon. Don't think I can stand an entire season of what we've got.

Rat Boy wrote:
I hope the Olivia/Fauxlivia thing gets resolved soon. Don't think I can stand an entire season of what we've got.

Yeah, this is where I am. Historically though Fringe plows through this stuff in a few episodes.

So this season has started off pretty darn good - it's always been hard to watch this show at times because I don't necessarily like what's happening (ie: "Frank?") but it continues to fire on all cylinders.

Welcome back Fringe - I missed you

Rat Boy wrote:
I hope the Olivia/Fauxlivia thing gets resolved soon. Don't think I can stand an entire season of what we've got.

Olivia is my favorite character in the series, and they've now more or less written her out of the show for awhile.

Spoiler:
With Fauxlivia on our side and Olivia on the Other Side convinced she's Fauxlivia, the Olivia I care about is pretty much non-existant.

In true Fringe fashion, I expect this to resolve itself in four or five episodes rather than being a season-long arc. As Jawhawker mentioned in the Fall 2010 TV thread, the writers for this show just don't drag things out like that.

I love Fringe, and I enjoyed the premier.

However...
A couple of nits that bugged me, and I'm usually able to suspend disbelief very, very easily.

1. Implanting memories suddenly makes someone an Olympic gold medalist caliber marksman?
2. You don't think anyone, especially Peter who's locking lips with her all the time, would notice something off about the (seemingly harder-edged, maybe even cruel) Fauxlivia? She must also be an Academy Award winning actress!
3. If you were an FBI agent, who had been captured in an alternate universe and undergone malicious and painful testing by a ruthlessly intelligent Walter Bishop, would it really make sense to tell the entire truth about who you are and where you're from? Wouldn't it make more sense to play along and tell them what they wanted to hear? Don't they train for this kind of thing? I will give that scene major props for its strong Sarah Connor in Terminator 2 vibe.

Anyone catch the Observer?
That laugh Ourlivia let out with Charlie after the memories took hold was chilling...

Khoram wrote:
I love Fringe, and I enjoyed the premier.

However...
A couple of nits that bugged me, and I'm usually able to suspend disbelief very, very easily.

1. Implanting memories suddenly makes someone an Olympic gold medalist caliber marksman?


It's Fringe science! Duh!
Actually, if you accept that they can implant memories to the extent that they override a person's own memories then wouldn't they gain the abilities that came with those memories?

2. You don't think anyone, especially Peter who's locking lips with her all the time, would notice something off about the (seemingly harder-edged, maybe even cruel) Fauxlivia? She must also be an Academy Award winning actress!

Olivia and Peter haven't been an item. They've had the typical TV "sexual tension" but the one time he went to kiss her she suddenly got scared (and spotted the building about to warp to the other side). I don't think they had quite gotten serious about each other before Peter took off.

And one of the plot points of the series has been that Olivia never lets anyone get really close to her (except for Charlie and now Peter). Charlie is dead in our universe and Peter may think he's just getting to know her better.

3. If you were an FBI agent, who had been captured in an alternate universe and undergone malicious and painful testing by a ruthlessly intelligent Walter Bishop, would it really make sense to tell the entire truth about who you are and where you're from? Wouldn't it make more sense to play along and tell them what they wanted to hear? Don't they train for this kind of thing? I will give that scene major props for its strong Sarah Connor in Terminator 2 vibe.

Actually I would be surprised if the FBI trains its agents how to handle being tortured. They're FBI, not CIA.

Anyone catch the Observer?
That laugh Ourlivia let out with Charlie after the memories took hold was chilling...

Yeah, the realization that "our" Olivia was gone was a bit of an "oh s#it" moment...

tanstaafl wrote:
Khoram wrote:
I love Fringe, and I enjoyed the premier.

However...
A couple of nits that bugged me, and I'm usually able to suspend disbelief very, very easily.

1. Implanting memories suddenly makes someone an Olympic gold medalist caliber marksman?


It's Fringe science! Duh!
Actually, if you accept that they can implant memories to the extent that they override a person's own memories then wouldn't they gain the abilities that came with those memories?

2. You don't think anyone, especially Peter who's locking lips with her all the time, would notice something off about the (seemingly harder-edged, maybe even cruel) Fauxlivia? She must also be an Academy Award winning actress!

Olivia and Peter haven't been an item. They've had the typical TV "sexual tension" but the one time he went to kiss her she suddenly got scared (and spotted the building about to warp to the other side). I don't think they had quite gotten serious about each other before Peter took off.

And one of the plot points of the series has been that Olivia never lets anyone get really close to her (except for Charlie and now Peter). Charlie is dead in our universe and Peter may think he's just getting to know her better.

3. If you were an FBI agent, who had been captured in an alternate universe and undergone malicious and painful testing by a ruthlessly intelligent Walter Bishop, would it really make sense to tell the entire truth about who you are and where you're from? Wouldn't it make more sense to play along and tell them what they wanted to hear? Don't they train for this kind of thing? I will give that scene major props for its strong Sarah Connor in Terminator 2 vibe.

Actually I would be surprised if the FBI trains its agents how to handle being tortured. They're FBI, not CIA.

Anyone catch the Observer?
That laugh Ourlivia let out with Charlie after the memories took hold was chilling...

Yeah, the realization that "our" Olivia was gone was a bit of an "oh s#it" moment...

1. because memories are just memories, images and emotions in the mind maybe, marksmanship seems like it would be a combination of (different) brain lobes and other parts of your body... or something. Yeah, Fringe science. I mean it didn't spoil the episode, but it kind of stood out to me.

2. I know they haven't been an item for a long time in terms of the show, I meant since they came back across. I don't know how much time has passed, but it looks like they've been pretty chummy, and I would think Peter spent enough time with Olivia over the past 2 seasons worth of time to pick up all her little mannerisms, etc, than Fauxlivia couldn't fake. Then again, it's a nit when the writers are just trying to get the plot chugging. It's no biggie.

tanstaafl wrote:
Khoram wrote:
I love Fringe, and I enjoyed the premier.

However...
A couple of nits that bugged me, and I'm usually able to suspend disbelief very, very easily.

1. Implanting memories suddenly makes someone an Olympic gold medalist caliber marksman?


It's Fringe science! Duh!
Actually, if you accept that they can implant memories to the extent that they override a person's own memories then wouldn't they gain the abilities that came with those memories?

Yeah seems to follow. If you can swallow the memory bit at all, then the rest of it goes with it. She would remember all the training leading up to being an Olympic marksman and have the skill to do it.

Did not catch Observer last night. Our side or theirs?

tanstaafl wrote:
That laugh Ourlivia let out with Charlie after the memories took hold was chilling...

Yeah, the realization that "our" Olivia was gone was a bit of an "oh s#it" moment...

Yeah, that really grabbed me too. I'd agree that we need normalolivia back soonish for the show to really stay interesting, but for the moment I've gotta trust the writers. They've taken care of plotlines like this in three or four episodes before when I expected them to go on for a whole season.

Bubbles!

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I didn't catch the observer, but what was up with that Zeppelin that disappeared from over the courthouse in our universe towards the end?

nel e nel wrote:

I didn't catch the observer, but what was up with that Zeppelin that disappeared from over the courthouse in our universe towards the end?

Think that was just supposed to be a transition from their world to ours. But it was a little jarring, since none of their story was in DC. City transition, followed by universe transition, didn't play well.

Khoram wrote:
1. because memories are just memories, images and emotions in the mind maybe, marksmanship seems like it would be a combination of (different) brain lobes and other parts of your body... or something. Yeah, Fringe science. I mean it didn't spoil the episode, but it kind of stood out to me.

2. I know they haven't been an item for a long time in terms of the show, I meant since they came back across. I don't know how much time has passed, but it looks like they've been pretty chummy, and I would think Peter spent enough time with Olivia over the past 2 seasons worth of time to pick up all her little mannerisms, etc, than Fauxlivia couldn't fake. Then again, it's a nit when the writers are just trying to get the plot chugging. It's no biggie.

You might just try trusting the story and not try so hard to pull yourself out of it. Of all the things to be skeptical of, these seem kind of unimportant. It's pretty easy to imagine that the process involved in converting someone to a new being also requires some sort of scifi "magic" that transfers muscle memory and such. And we got one scene of Peter and Bolivia together. I suppose that we are going going to see the seeds of doubt take hold over the course of the next episode, which will be in our universe.

I wondered why Charlie and Burnt Toast didn't even consider that the Olivia they had was ours. Of course, now that the conversion seems pretty complete, that won't be a patch the writers take, I suppose.

It's important to note that the second episode is a continuation of the season premiere. There are other shoes yet to drop. I wish they had just made it a two hour premiere. I needs me some more Fringe already!

In regards to the last scene (I like to find walter food stuff for thread titles), I saw this on the psychology of eating oreos.

Walter was using the "Twisted apart, the inside, then the cookie" method.

Pop psychology indicates:

You have a highly curious nature. You take pleasure in breaking things apart to find out how they work, though not always able to put them back together, so you destroy all the evidence of your activities. You deny your involvement when things go wrong. You are a compulsive liar and exhibit deviant, if not criminal, behavior.

Sounds like our man!

Odd thought that just came to me.

Our Walter travels to the other universe to save Peter. This is a single person (perhaps with a small amount of help) not representative of our universe as a whole.

This travel causes great disasters in the other universe and it responds by becoming paranoid and militaristic. They decide that our Walter's action represented a deliberate attack by our entire universe. They step up their military, they start monitoring and tracking their own people, they monitor all telecommunications and large numbers of their own people are "imprisoned" in amber "jails" out of fear that they may be connected to these "attacks". Their (or at least Walternate's) final goal is not peace or reconciliation, but the total destruction of our universe.

And every view of other New York shows the World Trade Center.

So... is Fringe basing the otherverse on how the US reacted to the attacks on 9/11?

Jayhawker wrote:
Khoram wrote:
1. because memories are just memories, images and emotions in the mind maybe, marksmanship seems like it would be a combination of (different) brain lobes and other parts of your body... or something. Yeah, Fringe science. I mean it didn't spoil the episode, but it kind of stood out to me.

It's pretty easy to imagine that the process involved in converting someone to a new being also requires some sort of scifi "magic" that transfers muscle memory and such.

Skills are just memories of how to perform tasks. "Muscle memory" is a bit of an awkward term denoting a task that has been performed so many times and become so ingrained in memory that it can be performed without conscious action, such as Olivia's expert markmanship. If the technology to transfer memories existed it would be possible to "download" even complex skills and become masters of them, sorta like "the Matrix, " though it wouldn't be as rapid as in the Matrix, since the brain would need to be physically "re-wired." Come to think of it, this episode presented a pretty good theoretical representation of what the process might be like.

+80 million bonus points for casting Andre Royo, even in what might be a small role.

The people doing casting for Fringe just like to mess with fans of The Wire, it seems.