Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Catch-all

Natus wrote:

What are some non-Quest Rogue decks that you've all seen being played? Rogue is my toughest deck to create and play. For some reason, I can't get the cards to gel together. Thanks!

Miracle would be your best option, I think. But it's an expensive deck. Depending on how many cards you have, you could probably cobble together a budget version.

Otherwise, Water Rogue, or midrange could be good.

I really wish N'zoth Jade Rogue still worked

On a happier note, free card day! Go get your Fight Promoter!
Blizz probably thinks the card is underused so wants people to try it. THey might have a point.

Fight promoter has done alright for me in arena a few times, but it's hard to see where to use it in constructed. Comboing it with Dirty Rat seems the most likely I guess, but then what? It seems a bit weak for your entire turn 8 in constructed. Dirty Rat, Fight Promoter, Doomsayer? The body isn't big enough to be significant in constructed by the time you can combo it out, and if you can make a 6 health creature stick from a previous turn aren't you already winning anyway?

Maybe it could be comboed after a cheap giant for quest mage or handlock if anyone is still trying that. And I guess priest has a jillion 6+ health minions right now. And maybe I could give it a go in my Jungle Giants ramp deck but I do hate to spend a slot on anything that doesn't have 5 attack there. But then that deck just loses to everything anyway so any change is alright, it's just for funsies.

Fine, there's maybe more things to try it in than I thought now that I've started enumerating them and I'm sure I haven't thought of nearly everything.

I can stop crystal rogue sometimes, but it is so unfun to play against always. like two people playing a single player game.

Wow! I just has a supreme feels bad session.

I just played 13 games with Aggro Druid, and had a 30% win rate. It's my most winningest deck. Yesterday, with the same deck I had a 70% win rate. Goddamn bipolar meta!

Dysplastic wrote:

I really wish N'zoth Jade Rogue still worked

I've actually been trying Jade Rogue. I just don't have all the Jade cards or power cards that can ramp up the golems successfully.

Finally have enough dust for another legendary. Here's the shortlist:

Alexstrasza: Mage is relatively strong right now and I'm having quite a bit of success with my Secret Mage deck. This card gives me the ability to build Burn and Freeze mage decks and is the last of the "staple" neutral classic legendaries that I don't have.

Lyra: Seems to be a key piece of basically every current Priest archetype and my lack of Lyra + Shadow Visions is why I haven't played Priest since Un'goro started. The only negative here is that I'd have to craft Shadow Visions, meaning I'd need to save 800 more dust (i.e. wait another 1-2 weeks).

Finja: He's a Ninja and a Murloc. He's not really used in any of the decks I play except Murloc Paladin and even there he's not widely played. I may have missed his brief time in the limelight in Aggro Rogue and Token Druid decks near the end of MSOG.

Any thoughts?

I would say Alextrasza, since it's classic, not class restricted, and has always been playable/good. Next would be Lyra if you really like priest, since it seems so omnipresent in those decks. Finja seems like a pretty narrow card to craft if you're trying to allocate your dust sparingly.

In the end though, craft what you're excited to play with

I'd second Alex as a good choice. Should stay in rotation, can be used offensively or defensively. One of my fav epics.

Was great against Reno and helps vs quest priest.

Agreed with Alex. Very Versatile. Lyra is also lots of fun if you like priest. Finja is both deck dependent and meta-dependent, so I'm not a huge fan for a budget craft.

Alexstrasza it is. I guess I'll leave Lyra/SV for another month or so while I build up the 2400 dust I need, it's going to have to be the last thing I craft before starting to save for the next expansion.

Made a Burn Mage deck using this guide, it seems powerful so far:
http://www.hearthhead.com/news/heart...

Update:
Now that I've had a night with both of my new Mage decks. I'm about 5:4 with Burn Mage and 2:3 with Freeze Mage at Rank 11/12. I probably could've built a completely viable Burn Mage without Alexstrasza. I'm winning most of my games with Burn Mage via tempo, board control, or Medivh. I easily could've swapped Alexstrasza for another big spell to synergize with Medivh (Flame Strike, Meteor, or Pyroblast) or a specific anti-meta tech card like Eater of Secrets (anti-Mage), Black Knight (anti-Taunt Warrior/Silence Priest), or Tar Creeper (anti-aggro) and likely wouldn't have made the deck meaningfully worse. Freeze Mage is going to take longer for me to get a good feel for. It definitely needs Alexstrasza as a win condition though. So far, despite both decks being control-y, I'm having a lot more fun with Burn Mage than Freeze Mage.

Alex is the most reasonable choice. Lyra might be the more fun choice.

I don't have Lyra, but when it gets played against me and I can't immediately remove it, I get smoked.

Honestly? I expect Alex to be the next card rotated into Hall of Fame status... so it'll really work out when you get that dust back next year.

Mayor Noggenfogger is a really bad card. I was playing a mage against an evolve shaman, and I was behind on the board, but I had some powerful spells in hand. I played Alex, planning to Fireball and Pyro, and I was protected by Ice Block. The shaman killed the Alex and evolved a full board, which brought out the Mayor (as well as Lorewalker Cho). From then on I could do nothing, since my spells were all random. In the end, I just tried to Pyro to face, and I ended up killing myself.

I hope I brought joy to the shaman's life.

I actually don't mind the Mayor. I wouldn't ever play him intentionally, but I've picked him as a last chance Free from Amber target. I just find him amusing. Annoying, but amusing.

And speaking of amusing, I lost to a fun arena deck today where the mage just swarmed with 1/2 elementals. I probably could have won if I'd played slightly faster tempo-wise on turn 2, but you're not expecting to need to versus a mage in arena. It was a nice change of pace to die to a combination of 7 1/2s and 1/1s instead of the usual style grinding it out mage.

Unfortunately they wouldn't accept the friend request after because why would you invite what is likely to be abuse, but I thought that was a really well put together deck. Best synergy I've seen in an arena deck in a while. I'm sure it didn't go all that far as it would lose to anyone with a board clear by turn 6, but hopefully they did well.

Outlandish wrote:

Unfortunately they wouldn't accept the friend request after because why would you invite what is likely to be abuse, but I thought that was a really well put together deck. Best synergy I've seen in an arena deck in a while. I'm sure it didn't go all that far as it would lose to anyone with a board clear by turn 6, but hopefully they did well.

I really wish there were more ways to communicate with your opponent in HS that didn't involve friending (which often invites abuse). Sometimes I just want to compliment someone on an inventive deck that I've never seen before or say how awesome it was to play against them in a tense control v control match for the last half-hour.

Aristophan wrote:

Mayor Noggenfogger is a really bad card. I was playing a mage against an evolve shaman, and I was behind on the board, but I had some powerful spells in hand. I played Alex, planning to Fireball and Pyro, and I was protected by Ice Block. The shaman killed the Alex and evolved a full board, which brought out the Mayor (as well as Lorewalker Cho). From then on I could do nothing, since my spells were all random. In the end, I just tried to Pyro to face, and I ended up killing myself.

I hope I brought joy to the shaman's life.

I opened Noggenfogger awhile back, and I tried adding him to my burglary rogue deck since that deck's just a random trainwreck anyway. I didn't keep him there long because I rarely found a good opportunity to play him, but he did win me one game against a priest who was threatening lethal. Once Noggenfogger was out there, his minions kept hitting my other minions, his heals kept targeting my face...it was glorious.

But yeah, Yogg's still a way better card if you just want random shenanigans.

Man, I've had a rough time of it in ranked with Midrange Hunter lately (around rank 13). It seems like absolutely everyone here is running multiple board-clearing options that completely ruin my day. It's too bad, because it's the only half-decent deck I have...guess it's time to do more quests!

The ladder was much more competitive for me this month than last. It was pretty rare to get the win streak.

the_poison_king wrote:

Man, I've had a rough time of it in ranked with Midrange Hunter lately (around rank 13). It seems like absolutely everyone here is running multiple board-clearing options that completely ruin my day. It's too bad, because it's the only half-decent deck I have...guess it's time to do more quests!

The decks I play attention to in terms of adapting to the meta have definitely run more board clears (Control Mage is running 2x volcanic at this point), I think largely due to the rise of Aggro Druid and Token Shaman...I think Midrange Hunter suffers as a result.

The new patch is LIVE! My deck lists with one golden and one non-golden no longer look stupid.

Also quests can be completed against friends. Cheaters rejoice! And deck importing is now a thing. Net-deckers rejoice! That means all of us right?

[Mobile] It is now clearer and easier to cancel casting a spell in mobile user interfaces. No more Fireballs to the face!

Yay!

Aristophan wrote:
[Mobile] It is now clearer and easier to cancel casting a spell in mobile user interfaces. No more Fireballs to the face!

Yay!

Small screen players rejoice!!!

TIL: Vicious Fledgling is a one card victory condition.

Tailsnake wrote:

TIL: Vicious Fledgling is a one card victory condition.

Turn 1, Druid>Coin>Innervate>Vicious F.

While playing Aggro Druid I got this combo a couple of times.

RawkGWJ wrote:
Tailsnake wrote:

TIL: Vicious Fledgling is a one card victory condition.

Turn 1, Druid>Coin>Innervate>Vicious F.

While playing Aggro Druid I got this combo a couple of times. :shock:

I recently replaced Pantry Spider, which I was using to push the Savage Roar lethal, with Vicious Fledgling in my Token Druid deck. Yesterday I got out Vicious Fledgling on turn 2 with coin against a mage, attacked face on turn 3 and picked "cannot be targetted by spells" and had done over 20 damage with that single minion by the time the Mage managed to take it out on Turn 6. A couple more games like that and I decided that it was probably worth tossing VF into my MR Hunter and Zoolock decks as well.

Looks like Demo was right about Alex potentially being on the chopping block in the future.

Interviewer: If I told you you’ve got to send one more card to the Hall of Fame before you leave work today, what would it be?
Ben Brode: I’m not 100 percent sure because I think there’s pros and cons about lots of cards. One of the things that we struggled with in our last decision was Ragnaros. He was going to be around forever, he’s an elemental, he was going to be around in elemental decks as well, we thought. And we thought maybe it’s OK if you have to play against new, different cards, as opposed to Ragnaros every year forever. I think it might be time for him to go to Wild, and he’s really fun there still. But I think his personality, his iconicness as a member of the Hearthstone pantheon of iconic characters, is missed.

So a card that comes to mind for me as something I might consider is Alexstrasza. But she’s also in that category of a personality that would be missed. She’s very interesting, she enables a lot of unique types of decks. But if there’s one, I think, if you had to pressure me today, maybe Gadgetzan Auctioneer. I think it’s a great card, it’s been fun, but I think people have been playing it for enough years that Standard would like some new strategies.

http://www.pcgamer.com/hearthstones-...

G. Auctioneer is Brode's first pick, though. I agree with him completely. Moving Auctioneer to Hall Of Fame would leave room for a new card draw minion. Maybe something that can be used in more than just a few deck types.

Both should probably be out, but I've been out of the game for about a month now.

Alex sets up way too many straight burn combos, especially for Mage who doesn't really need those with their quest extra turn at this point.

Auctioneer is just, bleh. It's not an essential draw for Jade Druid, but it definitely helped and made it just a bit more disgusting.

Ice Block might be more of a problem than Alex.

Alex has never been as ubiquitous as Sylvanas or Ragnaros, and doesnt have the problem that she displaces all other 8-cost cards. She goes into very specific decks and plays a unique role. I don't recall those decks being particularly oppressive for a long time now though I admit I hardly at all played last month.