Feminism/Sexism and Gaming/Geek/Popular culture Catch All

clover wrote:

Well, we've been halfway there for a couple millennia now.

Edit: waitaminit, isn't teaching the prey to be wary redundant? How is that an improvement? That's how prey avoids being eaten in the first place- it's a natural evolutionary response.

I was merely reformulating the method outlined by that quote from a few posts back:

I am not trying to raise a Good Girl. I am trying to raise a confident, respectful, self-respecting, and SAFE girl. Sadly, part of her safety involves keeping her safe from boys who are predators.
You may be trying to raise a good son...but are you raising a gentleman?

If you buy the idea that there are 'Good Girls' who are more susceptible to these sorts of attacks and "SAFE girls" who are less so, then I suppose we might conclude that no, teaching the prey to be wary isn't redundant. I personally am not sure I accept either of those premises, though, OR that the aforementioned method of raising boys/girls would be effective.

(Didn't we have a very similar discussion in some other thread involving LarryC and, if I may paraphrase for the sake of this metaphor, the argument that teaching the predators to be less predatory and the prey to be harder to catch is perhaps just reinforcing the troublesome predator/prey paradigm in the first place?)

Hypatian wrote:

Here. Let me try to translate for you:

We shouldn't be concerned with perpetuating the stereotype that girls must be pure, gentle, pretend to be happy all the time even when they're not, perfectly obedient, and planning on becoming housewives. Instead, we should be concerned with making sure our children act like civilized human beings.

Contrast "Good Girl" with "Boys Will Be Boys". Compare "gentleman" with "self-assured woman".

If you go by the stereotypes, boys are expected to do crap like share sexted pictures and get girls into bed because that's just what boys do, while girls are expected to be protected from the very idea of sex and never even think about it so that they don't turn into sluts. It serves nobody to allow boys to get away with these things, nor does it serve anyone to let girls grow up to believe that they should always put their own needs behind those of others.

Sure, and that's nothing I didn't already understand. But I guess that just seems to have little to do with that particular part of the post. Not that it really matters, and I'm not really trying to argue - I just wanted to (for my sake on this board) mention I already get everything you said.

clover wrote:

Answer: stop domesticating the wimmins.

But how will we control them?

On the question of whether it's better to remind people not to be asshats or to remind people (who, in fact, already have been told this repeatedly since they learned how to walk) to be extra careful:

'Don't Be That Guy' ad campaign cuts Vancouver sex assaults by 10 per cent in 2011

Overheard at work: "When I took my (four-year-old) son to Hooter's last night..."

*tears up humanity membership card*

H.P. Lovesauce wrote:

Overheard at work: "When I took my (four-year-old) son to Hooter's last night..."

*tears up humanity membership card*

That much loud music could really mess up a kid's hearing.

Demosthenes wrote:
H.P. Lovesauce wrote:

Overheard at work: "When I took my (four-year-old) son to Hooter's last night..."

*tears up humanity membership card*

That much loud music could really mess up a kid's hearing.

More to the point, they might think that those orange shorts have ever been acceptable clothing since the 70's.

Jonman wrote:
Demosthenes wrote:
H.P. Lovesauce wrote:

Overheard at work: "When I took my (four-year-old) son to Hooter's last night..."

*tears up humanity membership card*

That much loud music could really mess up a kid's hearing.

More to the point, they might think that those orange shorts have ever been acceptable clothing since the 70's.

My wife has a story about a high school boyfriend's mother taking them and the boyfriend's twin out to Hooters.. when she was 15. It was apparently an incredibly awkward meal for her and the boyfriend, creepy for the mother, and.. eye-opening to the twin.

H.P. Lovesauce wrote:

Overheard at work: "When I took my (four-year-old) son to Hooter's last night..."

*tears up humanity membership card*

Well.. they do have a kids menu.

GioClark wrote:
H.P. Lovesauce wrote:

Overheard at work: "When I took my (four-year-old) son to Hooter's last night..."

*tears up humanity membership card*

Well.. they do have a kids menu.

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Hooters still exists? I immediately think of Married With Children when I hear that word.

dejanzie wrote:

Hooters still exists? I immediately think of Married With Children when I hear that word.

So long as there are rednecks, there shall always be Hooters.

If online behaviour were offline:
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That is depressingly accurate.

That picture reminds me very much of some of the things I read about in college when writing a paper on the influences of the Civil Rights movement of the 60s on the Women's Rights movement.

There was a specific incident I recall where a female speaker at a civil rights meeting brought up the roles of women in the movement (I think that was what she was talking abou; it was a long time ago) and was shouted down. The crowd indeed yelled things like "Take her off the stage and f*** her!"

There were other cases recounted, but that one really stuck with me.

Edit: Google proves my ailing memory reasonably accurate: http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defc...

The crowd indeed yelled things like "Take her off the stage and f*** her!"

Wow.

Just... damn.

Like I get morons saying these things when hiding behind anonymity. I still hate it, but I get why they feel they can when in the mob.

Yelling that in person?

-1 to faith in humanity.

Some positive stuff, in a thread mired in muck:

http://www.themarysue.com/teaching-m...

Jonman wrote:
Demosthenes wrote:
H.P. Lovesauce wrote:

Overheard at work: "When I took my (four-year-old) son to Hooter's last night..."

*tears up humanity membership card*

That much loud music could really mess up a kid's hearing.

More to the point, they might think that those orange shorts have ever been acceptable clothing since the 70's.

It's not the orange shorts that bug me, is the unappealing shiny orangish pantyhose they all wear.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
Jonman wrote:
Demosthenes wrote:
H.P. Lovesauce wrote:

Overheard at work: "When I took my (four-year-old) son to Hooter's last night..."

*tears up humanity membership card*

That much loud music could really mess up a kid's hearing.

More to the point, they might think that those orange shorts have ever been acceptable clothing since the 70's.

It's not the orange shorts that bug me, is the unappealing shiny orangish pantyhose they all wear.

Not to mention the matching orange spray-tan that seems to be part of the dress-code.

Anyone watch Mozart's Sister? It's interesting but ultimately depressing. At least things have gotten a bit better.

Interesting read about how the Left generally fails to deal properly with rape culture and gender issues.

MrDeVil909 wrote:

Interesting read about how the Left generally fails to deal properly with rape culture and gender issues.

Context: UK's far left.

An interesting read. I'm curious is the Brits' far right have been pushing a similar agenda to the Republicans in the States.

That said, both sides here have had their moments of idiocy that primarily comes, I suspect, from a lack of experience or desire to get more experience in these issues... but I doubt anything will top the slew of Akin-esque comments from Republicans this past year.

Rock Paper Shotgun: Deep Silver Promote Dead Island With [em]Appalling[/em] Statue

*sigh* I can't even be surprised by this sort of thing any more.

Hypatian wrote:

Rock Paper Shotgun: Deep Silver Promote Dead Island With [em]Appalling[/em] Statue

*sigh* I can't even be surprised by this sort of thing any more.

I think I find that tasteless and kind of sick, but I dunno about sexist. I think my sensor may seriously just be burnt out at this point.

Hypatian wrote:

Rock Paper Shotgun: Deep Silver Promote Dead Island With [em]Appalling[/em] Statue

*sigh* I can't even be surprised by this sort of thing any more.

I think my brain wants to break. That just horrible.

The only silver lining to something like that is if you see that proudly displayed in someone's living quarters, you know to get out fast.

Bloo Driver wrote:
Hypatian wrote:

Rock Paper Shotgun: Deep Silver Promote Dead Island With [em]Appalling[/em] Statue

*sigh* I can't even be surprised by this sort of thing any more.

I think I find that tasteless and kind of sick, but I dunno about sexist. I think my sensor may seriously just be burnt out at this point.

Probably.
While it is in keeping with the theme of the game, it's an incredibly stupid choice. They had a lot of things they could have done for a statue, but they chose zombie boobs. They say it's their take on a Roman torso statue, but Roman statues aren't relevant to the game at all, so far as I know. If they were they could have just zombiefied a famous example instead of this.

Hypatian wrote:

Rock Paper Shotgun: Deep Silver Promote Dead Island With [em]Appalling[/em] Statue

*sigh* I can't even be surprised by this sort of thing any more.

WTF? Is this a late Christmas present for Jack Thompson or something?

Great timing, too: right as the industry is in a blame game with the NRA about why there are so many psychopaths running around these days. It's almost like they want to get video games banned. I want to retroactively boycott this product, but I guess Steam doesn't take returns

That statue is really, really bad. They're going to have to put a lid on that and do some serious backpedaling. *huge mental facepalm*

Wow....yeeeaaah. They really should have chose something different for the whole "Bonus" thing. I do see the sexism there though. They might have wanted to have a male torso version of it as well, or at least give the torso a bloody shirt or something. But even without all the whole offensive thing, I think it's overall a really lame Bonus. Give me an actual zombie statue, or a statue of one of the characters sticking an axe in the head of one, but a torso? Meh.