PS+ Plus General PSN Game Talk

Jasonofindy wrote:
EverythingsTentative wrote:

Did anyone else notice that SSF4AE is 17.9 gigs? Why?

The problem is compounded by the fact that 30 gigs is NOT enough free space to allow the PS3 to install the game because of the way Sony's OS works.

So glad I dropped the $50 on that 1TB Seagate Newegg had discounted before jumping on the PS+ bandwagon...

I wanted the R&C game, but the download was of a similar size. I think I'd rather buy a disc than have to wait 3 days for that puppy to download!

spider_j wrote:

I wanted the R&C game, but the download was of a similar size. I think I'd rather buy a disc than have to wait 3 days for that puppy to download!

I weep for your internet connection. I downloaded infamous 2, R&CA4O, LBP2, Dungeon Defenders, King of Fighter XIII & Quantum Conundrum on Sunday. I started around 3 or 4 PM and I think it was working on R&C & QC when I last checked around 11.

And I ended up deleting King of Fighters after the very first basic tutorial. I just don't want a game that's so hard to even just pick up that I have to have pinpoint timing to just use 'basic' maneuvers.

RoughneckGeek wrote:
Jasonofindy wrote:
EverythingsTentative wrote:

Did anyone else notice that SSF4AE is 17.9 gigs? Why?

The problem is compounded by the fact that 30 gigs is NOT enough free space to allow the PS3 to install the game because of the way Sony's OS works.

So glad I dropped the $50 on that 1TB Seagate Newegg had discounted before jumping on the PS+ bandwagon...

320 GB for me, but it's still proving to be more than enough, as compared to my old 60GBer

Tanglebones wrote:
RoughneckGeek wrote:
Jasonofindy wrote:
EverythingsTentative wrote:

Did anyone else notice that SSF4AE is 17.9 gigs? Why?

The problem is compounded by the fact that 30 gigs is NOT enough free space to allow the PS3 to install the game because of the way Sony's OS works.

So glad I dropped the $50 on that 1TB Seagate Newegg had discounted before jumping on the PS+ bandwagon...

320 GB for me, but it's still proving to be more than enough, as compared to my old 60GBer

/high-5 fellow backwards compatibility buddy.

Tanglebones wrote:
RoughneckGeek wrote:
Jasonofindy wrote:
EverythingsTentative wrote:

Did anyone else notice that SSF4AE is 17.9 gigs? Why?

The problem is compounded by the fact that 30 gigs is NOT enough free space to allow the PS3 to install the game because of the way Sony's OS works.

So glad I dropped the $50 on that 1TB Seagate Newegg had discounted before jumping on the PS+ bandwagon...

320 GB for me, but it's still proving to be more than enough, as compared to my old 60GBer

My newer 320GB unit is the one that only had 30GB free . I swapped a 250GB drive into my old 60GB unit a few years ago, but it has been full since the summer. Buying way too many Rock Band songs and being a plus member since 2010 is what has eaten all of my space. My download list just crossed the 700 item list, and I have only myself to blame.

On a happier note, only a few more minutes until Street Fighter finishes downloading.

Blondish83 wrote:

Anyone care to enable me on this? Wizorb is the only one that I have heard of before and picked it up for my PC during the Steam Autumn sale for 74 cents but figure this game would be better on a Vita screen.

Beatshapers Indie Bundle - PS3/PSP/Vita - $2.99 - Includes BreakQuest, Canabalt, Enigmo, Galcon Labs, and Wizorb

Canabalt was originally a very simple browser game (and still is), but I like it a lot. I also had a bunch of fun playing the shareware version of Galcon in a LAN setting against friends, but I can't comment on Galcon Labs or how it works on Sony's platforms.

RoughneckGeek wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:
RoughneckGeek wrote:
Jasonofindy wrote:
EverythingsTentative wrote:

Did anyone else notice that SSF4AE is 17.9 gigs? Why?

The problem is compounded by the fact that 30 gigs is NOT enough free space to allow the PS3 to install the game because of the way Sony's OS works.

So glad I dropped the $50 on that 1TB Seagate Newegg had discounted before jumping on the PS+ bandwagon...

320 GB for me, but it's still proving to be more than enough, as compared to my old 60GBer

/high-5 fellow backwards compatibility buddy.

You ain't OG. My launch BC PS3 still has it's original drive. That's kicking it old skool.

spider_j wrote:
RoughneckGeek wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:
RoughneckGeek wrote:
Jasonofindy wrote:
EverythingsTentative wrote:

Did anyone else notice that SSF4AE is 17.9 gigs? Why?

The problem is compounded by the fact that 30 gigs is NOT enough free space to allow the PS3 to install the game because of the way Sony's OS works.

So glad I dropped the $50 on that 1TB Seagate Newegg had discounted before jumping on the PS+ bandwagon...

320 GB for me, but it's still proving to be more than enough, as compared to my old 60GBer

/high-5 fellow backwards compatibility buddy.

You ain't OG. My launch BC PS3 still has it's original drive. That's kicking it old skool.

Oh, I still have my launch drive; it's just sitting in a bin under my TV

Tanglebones wrote:
spider_j wrote:
RoughneckGeek wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:
RoughneckGeek wrote:
Jasonofindy wrote:
EverythingsTentative wrote:

Did anyone else notice that SSF4AE is 17.9 gigs? Why?

The problem is compounded by the fact that 30 gigs is NOT enough free space to allow the PS3 to install the game because of the way Sony's OS works.

So glad I dropped the $50 on that 1TB Seagate Newegg had discounted before jumping on the PS+ bandwagon...

320 GB for me, but it's still proving to be more than enough, as compared to my old 60GBer

/high-5 fellow backwards compatibility buddy.

You ain't OG. My launch BC PS3 still has it's original drive. That's kicking it old skool.

Oh, I still have my launch drive; it's just sitting in a bin under my TV

I slapped a small enclosure on ours, and it is now the drive that we keep in the safety deposit box at the bank with our records, photos, etc. on it. We weren't sure how else we would ever use a 60GB drive at this point.

PS+ members are getting access to the God of War Ascension multiplayer beta on January 8th. I'm excited.

Jasonofindy wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:
spider_j wrote:
RoughneckGeek wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:
RoughneckGeek wrote:
Jasonofindy wrote:
EverythingsTentative wrote:

Did anyone else notice that SSF4AE is 17.9 gigs? Why?

The problem is compounded by the fact that 30 gigs is NOT enough free space to allow the PS3 to install the game because of the way Sony's OS works.

So glad I dropped the $50 on that 1TB Seagate Newegg had discounted before jumping on the PS+ bandwagon...

320 GB for me, but it's still proving to be more than enough, as compared to my old 60GBer

/high-5 fellow backwards compatibility buddy.

You ain't OG. My launch BC PS3 still has it's original drive. That's kicking it old skool.

Oh, I still have my launch drive; it's just sitting in a bin under my TV

I slapped a small enclosure on ours, and it is now the drive that we keep in the safety deposit box at the bank with our records, photos, etc. on it. We weren't sure how else we would ever use a 60GB drive at this point.

I kept mine too. If I ever need to send in the PS3 for service they're getting it with the original 60GB in it, not my 1TB drive thank you very much.

RoughneckGeek wrote:

I kept mine too. If I ever need to send in the PS3 for service they're getting it with the original 60GB in it, not my 1TB drive thank you very much.

They may actually tell you to not send the system with a HDD in it at all. I know nintendo tells you to remove EVERYTHING from a system you send in. They even returned my DS that had the hinge repaired back with the screen protectors ripped off and a note that they were not authorized modifications.

Finally took the plunge on PS+. Dunno why I waited so long - it's definitely worth it, and much better than Xbox Live Gold. Free games? Yes please! I got two Vita games that have already justified the purchase, plus adding on instance cloud saving uploads and patch/firmware downloads is just incredibly awesome.

mrtomaytohead wrote:
RoughneckGeek wrote:

I kept mine too. If I ever need to send in the PS3 for service they're getting it with the original 60GB in it, not my 1TB drive thank you very much.

They may actually tell you to not send the system with a HDD in it at all. I know nintendo tells you to remove EVERYTHING from a system you send in. They even returned my DS that had the hinge repaired back with the screen protectors ripped off and a note that they were not authorized modifications.

Sony's just has a disclaimer that you may not get the same system back. Mine has been serviced once and the one I got in return wasn't the one I shipped. That was a pain to deal with for single-system only downloads like Singstar tracks...

mrtomaytohead wrote:
RoughneckGeek wrote:

I kept mine too. If I ever need to send in the PS3 for service they're getting it with the original 60GB in it, not my 1TB drive thank you very much.

They may actually tell you to not send the system with a HDD in it at all. I know nintendo tells you to remove EVERYTHING from a system you send in. They even returned my DS that had the hinge repaired back with the screen protectors ripped off and a note that they were not authorized modifications.

Are you serious? Oh Nintendo...

Can you use an external hard drive to add space to a PS3? I thought you could and I don't have the stomach to upgrade my existing PS3 otherwise. I'm definitely juggling files right now with file sizes like this. And the sweet way that the PS3 OS requires double the space for every install.

DSGamer wrote:

Can you use an external hard drive to add space to a PS3? I thought you could and I don't have the stomach to upgrade my existing PS3 otherwise. I'm definitely juggling files right now with file sizes like this. And the sweet way that the PS3 OS requires double the space for every install.

Probably not the way you're thinking. You can't just use an external USB drive as normal storage. You can open the drive bay on the side and connect an external drive to the sata port... the same place you'd install any other drive. Sony intentionally made it really easy to swap in a replacement drive. The hardest part (and Tanglebones can attest to this) is getting the screws out of the existing drive. He ended up just spending the few bucks to buy a spare drive caddy too so he didn't have to get the old drive unscrewed.

RoughneckGeek wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

Can you use an external hard drive to add space to a PS3? I thought you could and I don't have the stomach to upgrade my existing PS3 otherwise. I'm definitely juggling files right now with file sizes like this. And the sweet way that the PS3 OS requires double the space for every install.

Probably not the way you're thinking. You can't just use an external USB drive as normal storage. You can open the drive bay on the side and connect an external drive to the sata port... the same place you'd install any other drive. Sony intentionally made it really easy to swap in a replacement drive. The hardest part (and Tanglebones can attest to this) is getting the screws out of the existing drive. He ended up just spending the few bucks to buy a spare drive caddy too so he didn't have to get the old drive unscrewed.

Yup. The default screws were so tight, and stripped so easily that I couldn't remove the drive from its caddy at all. The new caddy was $9 shipped from some console spare part site.

RoughneckGeek wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

Can you use an external hard drive to add space to a PS3? I thought you could and I don't have the stomach to upgrade my existing PS3 otherwise. I'm definitely juggling files right now with file sizes like this. And the sweet way that the PS3 OS requires double the space for every install.

Probably not the way you're thinking. You can't just use an external USB drive as normal storage. You can open the drive bay on the side and connect an external drive to the sata port... the same place you'd install any other drive. Sony intentionally made it really easy to swap in a replacement drive. The hardest part (and Tanglebones can attest to this) is getting the screws out of the existing drive. He ended up just spending the few bucks to buy a spare drive caddy too so he didn't have to get the old drive unscrewed.

Ah. Yeah, what I meant was if I could just plug a drive into the USB port. So you'd be essentially doing this to replace the existing drive, right? Does it take a standard laptop hard drive?

DSGamer wrote:
RoughneckGeek wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

Can you use an external hard drive to add space to a PS3? I thought you could and I don't have the stomach to upgrade my existing PS3 otherwise. I'm definitely juggling files right now with file sizes like this. And the sweet way that the PS3 OS requires double the space for every install.

Probably not the way you're thinking. You can't just use an external USB drive as normal storage. You can open the drive bay on the side and connect an external drive to the sata port... the same place you'd install any other drive. Sony intentionally made it really easy to swap in a replacement drive. The hardest part (and Tanglebones can attest to this) is getting the screws out of the existing drive. He ended up just spending the few bucks to buy a spare drive caddy too so he didn't have to get the old drive unscrewed.

Ah. Yeah, what I meant was if I could just plug a drive into the USB port. So you'd be essentially doing this to replace the existing drive, right? Does it take a standard laptop hard drive?

Yup. Just about any 2.5" SATA drive should work; there's apparently little to no gain in speed from getting a SSD, or even 7200 vs. 5400 RPM.

Thanks. I'll have to see which one I have and consider upgrading the drive.

No difference in performance? Does that mean Sony is artificially constraining the drive's read and write speeds or something? Because if I was playing the 18 gig install of Super Street Fighter Arcade off an SSD, for example, I would sure as hell expect better load times than off the vanilla Sony HDD. I can understand if there is not much difference in OS performance but to say there would be no difference for games seems absurd.

From what I've heard, there's no performance gain no matter your speed.

DSGamer wrote:

Thanks. I'll have to see which one I have and consider upgrading the drive.

Most important bit is to make sure the physical height of the drive is 9.5mm or less. There are some laptop drives that are taller than that and they won't fit in every PS3 model. The actual swap process is pretty trivial though... especially as a PS+ member. Backup every save to the cloud, swap drives, redownload stuffs and done. The one drawback I had was in order to keep my PS1/PS2 game saves I had to do the full backup of the old drive and restore that back to the new drive. There's no way to just pull those individual pseudo memory cards. That's easily done to a USB drive, but added about 2 1/2 hours to the drive swap process.

Mr GT Chris wrote:

No difference in performance? Does that mean Sony is artificially constraining the drive's read and write speeds or something? Because if I was playing the 18 gig install of Super Street Fighter Arcade off an SSD, for example, I would sure as hell expect better load times than off the vanilla Sony HDD. I can understand if there is not much difference in OS performance but to say there would be no difference for games seems absurd.

Load times aren't effected in any significant way. I did come across a site that compared texture pop in Skyrim on the PS3 between a stock drive, a hybrid SSD and an SSD. There was some minor improvement there, but nothing at all significant.

Truly bizarre. I went from a 7200 rpm 500 gig drive to a 7200 rpm 750 gig drive with 16 gig SSD cache last year on my macbook pro and that was night and day. Boot times, apps just popping up, games loading faster.

Mr GT Chris wrote:

Truly bizarre. I went from a 7200 rpm 500 gig drive to a 7200 rpm 750 gig drive with 16 gig SSD cache last year on my macbook pro and that was night and day. Boot times, apps just popping up, games loading faster.

It's possible (I'm just guessing) there's some kind of advantage here for standardizing the read/write times across hard drives. I don't really know what that advantage is, but standardization is generally the big upside of console development.

SixteenBlue wrote:
Mr GT Chris wrote:

Truly bizarre. I went from a 7200 rpm 500 gig drive to a 7200 rpm 750 gig drive with 16 gig SSD cache last year on my macbook pro and that was night and day. Boot times, apps just popping up, games loading faster.

It's possible (I'm just guessing) there's some kind of advantage here for standardizing the read/write times across hard drives. I don't really know what that advantage is, but standardization is generally the big upside of console development.

That would be my guess. I don't think anyone is saying that "generally" SSDs aren't a huge boost. They are. I have a 2 year old MacBook Air that is still faster than my new i7 Mac with 16GB of RAM because of the SSD.

Yeah, I'm familiar with the concept of keeping read speeds uniform across cd drives on the older consoles like the original Playstation. But you now have games that can be either run off a bluray disc or purchased off the PSN store and run entirely off the HDD with a significant boost in load times (in my own experience). The 360 even allows you to optionally install entire DVD games on the HDD and that also results in faster load times. So, clearly devs are already building their games to be able to run off an optical disc or a HDD. So I completely cannot fathom the need for a console to hamstring the HDD's read speeds in this day and age. I can't be the only one who finds this bizarre.