NCAA13 GWJ BCS League, Season I (360)

LEAGUE DEADLINE: Monday, August 13th @ 11:59pm ET

Week 2 League Schedule:
Iowa (Firesloth) at Wisconsin (XBox)
Northwestern (Shonuff27) at Rutgers (Kush15)
Tulsa (SpyNavy) at Marshall (XBox)
UCLA (Wi11Nick) at Kentucky (XBox): UCLA wins 31-7
Texas A&M (The Counselar) at TCU (XBox)

BYE WEEK:
Cincinnati (LeroyOG)
Georgia Tech (Shag26)
Michigan St (Willhouse4078)
North Carolina (ZellbrigeN26)
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Shonuff, are you available on tomorrow (Wed 8/8) after 8pm ET? #triple8s

Shonuff, are you available on tomorrow (Wed 8/8) after 8pm ET? #triple8s

I should be around.

Game played. The Thundering Herd could not standup to the Golden Hurricanes passing attack. The Defense was relentless and the AI needs to quit trying to throw HB screens - those are going to be sacks every time. I did run up the score but I couldnt help it, I was trying to set single season records :). I still threw 7 INTs which was a tad frustrating. With the 8 minute quarters I wanted to see what I could do against the AI. I did manage to get three safeties which I had never done before - that was cool. Of course that was a result of 3INTs in the red zone on my part - not cool. I even managed to get a Recruit Commit. So, nice opening game for Tulsa.

This is getting a little out of hand. Nothing against you Spy but I don't like to see this kind of play in our league. I know you are one of the better players in our community but I think you should join one of the more cheesy errr younger leagues. Maybe in my younger days it wouldn't matter but I just like to play a SIM style of play in my older days.

I played Kentucky and I won 31-7 at Kentucky. Realistic? Probably not. Can I score 70 points every game? Probably so but that wouldn't be any fun. All you have to do is run no huddle all game and hot route your WRs. There's no reading and scheming to do. I save that for the kids to do and just play a simple game of football.

Now Spy this is not a knock on you. I respect you and your service to our country. I don't want to get in a shouting match with you. I just don't want to see the league going in this direction.

Ok sorry guys but it's off my chest now

Bill Bonney wrote:

This is getting a little out of hand. Nothing against you Spy but I don't like to see this kind of play in our league. I know you are one of the better players in our community but I think you should join one of the more cheesy errr younger leagues. Maybe in my younger days it wouldn't matter but I just like to play a SIM style of play in my older days.

I played Kentucky and I won 31-7 at Kentucky. Realistic? Probably not. Can I score 70 points every game? Probably so but that wouldn't be any fun. All you have to do is run no huddle all game and hot route your WRs. There's no reading and scheming to do. I save that for the kids to do and just play a simple game of football.

Now Spy this is not a knock on you. I respect you and your service to our country. I don't want to get in a shouting match with you. I just don't want to see the league going in this direction.

Ok sorry guys but it's off my chest now :)

Younger leagues eh? You flatter me, as I am almost 40yrs old. I do play a SIM style - unfortunately with the long quarters and I do run a no huddle - I dont burn a lot of clock. No shouting match - not my style - reading defenses and having an offensive "scheme" is pure football. I used to coach football so I understand that at its core roots. Given that it was against the AI and I dont get a lot of time to just throw it around I used the game to practice and have fun; I cant run worth a darn so I do pass a lot. I can tone it down against the AI - I guess I dont really see the harm in beating up on the AI? Does it affect the Dynasty portion of the league somehow? If it does - I'll tone the offense down - the Defense I cant help the AI runs a screen at least once every 4-5 plays - that is a coverage sack every time because the AI wont just throw it away. Feel free to comment Bill (nice name BTW - partial to it myself) because I dont really have much experience with the Dynastic portion of the game so when I play the AI I try to beat up on it for fun - setting records or seeing if i can score in X amount of time and so on... So if there are more unwritten rules that I dont understand - please let me know. Thanks for the comments.

What does this mean Kush, I can't use no-huddle?

Glad you asked. Yes, you can use the no-huddle, but I'm going to ask you to use the no-huddle in normal situations. IE, time running down at the end of the half, down by a lot in the 4th quarter. There's nothing that shows that you used a no-huddle, but plays run, points scored and yards gained are good indicators.

I understand this is a video game, but I am trying to make this pretty close to the real deal. I can't really stop anyone from running the no-huddle, but I can kick this thing up to Heisman if I continue to see unrealistic blowouts. And just to clarify, this is directed at the entire league, because I remember games from last year's game that were on the unrealistic side.

NU running a no-huddle is realistic, however, this being a video game I can adjust.

Gdawg27 wrote:
What does this mean Kush, I can't use no-huddle?

Glad you asked. Yes, you can use the no-huddle, but I'm going to ask you to use the no-huddle in normal situations. IE, time running down at the end of the half, down by a lot in the 4th quarter. There's nothing that shows that you used a no-huddle, but plays run, points scored and yards gained are good indicators.

I understand this is a video game, but I am trying to make this pretty close to the real deal. I can't really stop anyone from running the no-huddle, but I can kick this thing up to Heisman if I continue to see unrealistic blowouts. And just to clarify, this is directed at the entire league, because I remember games from last year's game that were on the unrealistic side.

NU running a no-huddle is realistic, however, this being a video game I can adjust.

Funny thing is, I will know if you run the no-huddle tonight

Speaking of which, it might be closer to 8:30pm that I am on. My wife is going to bed early tonight (going to work tomorrow at 4am) so she should be in bed by 8pm, but that's not a guarentee.

Kush15 wrote:

Also, I'm going to warn owners: Be careful which schools you run the score up on. I don't mind if someone goes out and drubs Akron 68-3. If I see someone beating a 5-6 star school and scoring 60+ points, I will start turning up the sliders for the CPU. Also, if I see the XBox losing every time by large margins, I will do the same. I want to make this league as realistic as possible, while keeping it competitive.

I pulled this from the sign-up forum.

With that said, I don't care that the AI will run no huddle offenses, and that real college teams use the no huddle. I am banning the no-huddle offense from this league by human users. Period.

What does this mean Kush, I can't use no-huddle?

Glad you asked. Yes, you can use the no-huddle, but I'm going to ask you to use the no-huddle in normal situations. IE, time running down at the end of the half, down by a lot in the 4th quarter. There's nothing that shows that you used a no-huddle, but plays run, points scored and yards gained are good indicators.

I understand this is a video game, but I am trying to make this pretty close to the real deal. I can't really stop anyone from running the no-huddle, but I can kick this thing up to Heisman if I continue to see unrealistic blowouts. And just to clarify, this is directed at the entire league, because I remember games from last year's game that were on the unrealistic side.

And SpyNavy, I ask that you please try to sprinkle some run plays in, but this is also directed at the entire league. I don't mind 68-3, but I'd like to see double digit rushing attempts, as lack of rushing attempts was another thing I saw last year.

I also want to address an issue here: scoring more than 50 points against a human opponent who scores less than 14 is bad form unless there were extenuating circumstances. Sometimes it happens, with turnovers and luck. But, if you are very much ahead of someone, you shouldn't begrudge them trying to come back and/or practice. Over the year I've been on the losing side of some lopsided games. For the most part, they've all seemed okay. The victor didn't mind my passing quite a bit to get a sense for what to do better and even try to make it less lopsided.

However, there have been some games I've played where I was down by 35 or so midway through the 4th, where I felt as though the victor (already decided) felt as though any attempt to make progress had to be choked off, that such attempts should be snuffed out, and that the victor running the ball to kill off time would only occur if the loser "submitted."

I can understand that people want to insure that they win games. Sure, the losers should "man up" and play better...to an extent. But at some point it becomes poor sportsmanship, plain and simple, to beat others down. To *require* that they submit. That doesn't have a place in this league, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm only a peon. But, I've been around here for many years. I've had experiences where people have beaten me down unnecessarily. Where they have taken advantages of glitches...where LBs were constantly streaming through the O-line because they knew something about the game that I didn't. Something that had nothing to do with reading coverages and had everything to do with just dominating. That's not fair sportsmanship, and it's not good football.

At any rate, I'm just arguing that we should show some degree of respect for one another as we play.

Sounds good. I probably should work on my run game anyhow. I run no-huddle as a force of online tourney habit. I'll turn the settings to conservative as well which burns time. I know most of this is directed at me and I'll attempt to adjust as the situation dictates. Should a player just run the ball if they are up by 28 or more, punt on 3rd down etc...? In my last game against will, I scored two TDs running which wasnt really the intention. Should the Idea be to run time off the clock or get the ball back to the other player. Also, if they score is it acceptable to go back on the offensive? I've generally tried to play a straight game using only the audibles or adjustments available as intended. I do not move players outside normal adjustments and I do not pull lineman off the line. I will however crash, spread, pinch or slant left/right the line or LBs from the options available depending on offensive alignment. On offense I will slide protect or audible or hot route players based on defensive alignment. I will motion players to create space or to create additional blocking if I am getting killed by the blitz. I do not glitch or use exploits, but I do play a lot of zone blitz, cover 0 and/or cover 1 and cover 3. I like unique sets like the bear and 5-2 because they can confuse the opponent. I agree completely with Firesloths intent.

I think the biggest issue is being aware of your opponents limitations. If they are substantially worse than you are (for example...me! and I know and am fine with that), then once you're clearly up, just be less aggressive. I don't have a problem with any adjustments. Hot routes either. That is definitely reading the D. You should probably be running...and if you score, you do.

I suppose I'm just hoping that there isn't a lot of running up of scores against other human players. I'm uncomfortable saying don't do this or that, because there are clearly issues. But, as we all know, there is some play that goes on in the on-line arena that isn't right. If every LB reacts as if he's Ray Lewis at San Diego on 4th down at his own 2 yard line and cuts through the offensive line untouched to tackle the HB in the backfield...well, when this happens occasionally (or when it really is Ray Lewis), that's fine. If it happens regularly, and there's nothing the opponent can do about it, that's bad. There are online players that manipulate things for that to happen. The rest of us aren't at that level; we don't know the tricks required to counter the glitches. And, quite frankly, I'm not interested in learning them because they don't represent football.

I'm not arguing that you or anyone else should be ridiculous about allowing other players time/space to practice when the game is already decide (e.g., intentionally fumbling or something like that), but I think it's important to many of this that the league be fun and fair, even when one is losing. I've taken my knocks, as many around here can attest, and I've won games by 28 or more. But, I think it should be clear to anyone with a good head on their shoulders that scoring 100 points on another human, for example, would be outside the realm of sportsmanship in this league.

SpyNavy, you've made a clear argument for your approach to the game. I respect that. If, however, you ran up 100 points on another player or resorted to non-football strategies that took advantage of the game, I couldn't...just as I wouldn't if anyone did it.

At any rate, I'm looking forward to getting home to play my game (oh, yeah, and to see my family)!

I would never run the score up on another player, well except for Zell.

SpyNavy wrote:

I would never run the score up on another player, well except for Zell.

(in my best 6 year old voice)
Kush...he's being mean again....make him stop.

(runs off and pouts about how no one likes him)

ZellbrigeN26 wrote:
SpyNavy wrote:

I would never run the score up on another player, well except for Zell.

(in my best 6 year old voice)
Kush...he's being mean again....make him stop.

(runs off and pouts about how no one likes him) ;-)

Just for that, I'm changing all of Marshall's players to a 45 rating........................

Epic battle between me and Shonuff, 13-10, mid way thru the 3rd!

..............followed by an awesome kickoff return by Northwestern!

GG Shonuff, Northwestern wins 27-10. Play of the day was made by Shonuff, who stuffed my 3rd down and 3 option run, holding me to a FG to make it 13-10. I then proceeded to throw 3 picks. My last drive attempt, I got a very lucky 4th down catch, which I promptly pissed away with an interception in the endzone to end the game. Another huge play was right before the end of the half, where my slot receiver broke wide the f*ck open, only to catch the ball and fall down. That was then followed up by the other pick that I threw with 5 seconds left in the half.

Good Game Shonuff!

GG Shonuff, Northwestern wins 27-10. Play of the day was made by Shonuff, who stuffed my 3rd down and 3 option run, holding me to a FG to make it 13-10. I then proceeded to throw 3 picks. My last drive attempt, I got a very lucky 4th down catch, which I promptly pissed away with an interception in the endzone to end the game. Another huge play was right before the end of the half, where my slot receiver broke wide the f*ck open, only to catch the ball and fall down. That was then followed up by the other pick that I threw with 5 seconds left in the half.

Good Game Shonuff!

GG! It was very exciting throughout and could have gone either way.

I feel like winning any game 100-7 has to be exploiting things about NCAA (or Madden) that the player knows about. There's no amount of football knowledge that would cause that to happen naturally, unless you had Vince Lombardi coaching against a three year old. Sure, SpyNavy can recognize what the AI is doing, and instantly adjust, but that only happens because this is video football, rather than real football. Scores like that can happen, but when it happens in NCAA or Madden, it's not because SpyNavy used to coach, it's because he understands the game systems better than most people.

That's not a knock against SpyNavy, and he is always gracious. But, if this were really the NCAA, all eleven of your players wouldn't instantly know the new gameplan at the drop of a hat. Thus, adjustments and other things like that are much easier in these games then they are in real life.

Of course, I'm basically the three year old I mentioned above, so what do I know. I even lost to Kush in a famous game one time.

In other news, Texas A&M sneaks by TCU, 27-24. TCU's passing offense was excellent but they couldn't score when they needed to, allowing A&M to sneak out of Fort Worth with their first win of the season.

TheCounselor wrote:

Of course, I'm basically the three year old I mentioned above, so what do I know. I even lost to Kush in a famous game one time. :-)

Lost to Kush is such an under-statement, can't we say mercy-killed?

Mercy-killed is such an over-statement, can't we say, Kush got REALLY lucky that day

I should have retired that day on a really high note.

TheCounselor wrote:

I feel like winning any game 100-7 has to be exploiting things about NCAA (or Madden) that the player knows about. There's no amount of football knowledge that would cause that to happen naturally, unless you had Vince Lombardi coaching against a three year old. Sure, SpyNavy can recognize what the AI is doing, and instantly adjust, but that only happens because this is video football, rather than real football. Scores like that can happen, but when it happens in NCAA or Madden, it's not because SpyNavy used to coach, it's because he understands the game systems better than most people.

That's not a knock against SpyNavy, and he is always gracious. But, if this were really the NCAA, all eleven of your players wouldn't instantly know the new gameplan at the drop of a hat. Thus, adjustments and other things like that are much easier in these games then they are in real life.

Of course, I'm basically the three year old I mentioned above, so what do I know. I even lost to Kush in a famous game one time. :-)

You are absolutely right. In a real game players would not run perfect routes or cut exactly where you know they would. Also the coach wouldn't get to call the play, read the safeties and LBs and know that because of a rotation or a type of running to cover that the defense is in zone/man and that the receiver on the y route will be open under or over the zone. Also no QB would throw 90+ passes in a game for 1000 yards, 12 TDs and 7 picks. In there lies the human element of video game football. Best comparison I have is a shooter life BF3 where a guy knows every map, nook, cranny, weapon and sight distance. He doesn't use aimbots, or exploits he just knows the game really well. He can aim, and jump, and instaduck all while pulling off a headshot instakilling everyone with a SAW.

Iowa bests Wisconsin, even though I didn't score in the second half.

All games played...recruiting all done?

Woo hoo!

I will check after the in-laws leave, and if recruiting is done, we'll be moving onward

Someone had 6 hours unused...Willhouse maybe?

No mine should gone.

Roll it, they had plenty of time to do recruiting

Shonuff is still red with 6 hours of recruiting. I will wait for him to give the go ahead, but the deadline is tomorrow night, so it will be whichever comes first.

Oops. I'll finish up recruiting on the web at work later today.

All done.